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She also has become the first Pakistani to trend on Twitter, following her televized fight with a mullah. Since its noteworthy enough for Charlie Sheen, is it possible to add that to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.181.93.198 ( talk) 16:58, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok. managerarc: here you go:
1. I agree that Cinehour is a gossip website. I will remove the contents in my next edit 2. Visit the official website of BB4. It has many videos of them kissing and fondling. I will post the link on my next edit. For the next point, I will remove the "Struggling actor comment" as if the world didn't know about Mr. Ashmit Patel.. huh.. 3. Samaylive is not an unreliable source. It is a more reliable source than The Express Tribune, The Jung Group and Fashion Central. I wish you had the wits to understand this. Don't try to portray a false image of your client. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boolyme ( talk • contribs) 16:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
1. Samaylive is an established media source. It can be added that Ms. malik has not yet confirmed whether the nude pics are hers. 2. Ok.. how about this: " Adult nude movie features Veena Malik". Happy?? .. huh... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boolyme ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
@managerarc: "(Revert copyvio etc, see talk page)": abe kahe ka talk page. i will edit it again and again and again... u just wait and see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boolyme ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
This article needs a careful review with an eye to WP:BLP, and any potential violations should be removed and discussed. -- Ronz ( talk) 19:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Everything I can find agrees on Feb 26, but the year varies widely, from 1978 to 1984. Anyone want to propose a solution? -- Ronz ( talk) 17:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
These sources [4] and [5] confirm that she celebrated her 27th birthday, which means her year of birth must be 1984. I don't think there could be any problems in adding it now. --- Managerarc talk 18:19, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I'd prefer an in-depth biography as a source, and I think we should avoid anything that's even borderline tabloid-style journalism. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:07, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Over a year later and we've no progress. Unless a substantially better reference can be found, I don't see how we can justify choosing one date over the others (1984 vs 1980 vs 1978). -- Ronz ( talk) 18:05, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Pls see the reference below to confirm her accurate age which is 26 Feb 1987, she turned 26 this time. Her previous official website(veenamalik.com.pk) directs to the new official website i.e. www.veenamalikofficial.com which also states the same. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Veena-Malik-wants-to-break-four-more-records/articleshow/18953268.cms -- Merockys ( talk) 21:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
We are her official team and wanting to update all correct information regarding her age, projects, family etc. 'Times of India' is number one newspaper in India which wrote the article. We even have her birth certificate if that helps! I am unsure what best we can provide to get her proper bio here. We don't mind the neutrality on things but definitely accuracy on facts! -- Merockys ( talk) 21:00, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
There has been a confusion since the start as by mistake her date was entered as 1984 in one of the TV shows 'Bigg Boss' in India and since then it was carried forward. I believe she never tried to clarify it actively. Now if the birth certificate(which can be attached) is not proof enough then what is the solution? Apart from this her project details as well as about family is not proper. -- Merockys ( talk) 18:15, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
OK will provide the details on how the confusion started. Firstly when she entered BIGG BOSS they kept her age 1978 which was wrong by a decade. Obviously she being inside the 'house' didn't know about same. There were many who picked that up and continued to write the same. Then after her managers intervention they again put a wrong date of 1984 and even the 'then' team was not clear about things. This again continued. She later on tried to clarify in vain and hence the article which you are referring to. She even gave an interview to MIRROR where she told them that her age was wrong by a decade which they again misunderstood(that that the FHM controversy added 10 years to her age). The press/media gets things wrong as well! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/veena-malik-nude-pose-pakistani-281077 We can provide a passport copy but not a public forum here but a direct email.-- Merockys ( talk) 10:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
i agree, lets get more reliable sources and the latest ones.-- Merockys ( talk) 00:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Ronz i agree with others, lets have what Veena Malik has to say about her age and incorporate other reliable sources as well. Its been a very long discussion, as with passage of time there would be more sources we could refer to. -- Merockys ( talk) 10:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Also her parents got married in 1982 and she is a third child in family with two elder sisters. As far as her appearance on the 2000 film is concerned, if you aware about actors they are made to look different/older/younger with makeup etc. and hence cannot be judged by looks alone my friend.-- Merockys ( talk) 14:02, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Ronz if you have a better option then pls put in on table. We cannot not have her DOB missing from the page for another 2 years! -- Merockys ( talk) 20:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I am going to add my voice here (since I'm about to close the BLP/N discussion to keep this in one place). I agree with Ronz on principle. If there is no single, reliable secondary source for the birth date, then it should be omitted from the bio. There are plenty of precedents on this throughout the encyclopedia. The only reason arguing about this would be worth it would be if the birth date were of some tangible consequence, associated with the subject's notability, or of historical value. I don't see that as being the case here. Sending a photo of the passport or birth certificate to OTRS (which has been done in other cases) is not very useful since it's a primary source. I think it's a bit too much to add a whole set of "X said she was born this year and Y said this other year" disclaimer-type intro to the bio. I just don't see the point. But we work by consensus so it's up to you guys. I'm just giving you my opinion. Either way, unless we get a specific communication asking us to omit the birth date there's little we can do. On the other hand, someone might want to summarize the consensus here in a more readable form and take !votes. As long as WP:BLP is not being trampled, have at it. I just think it's excessive to spend this much time on a non-issue. § FreeRangeFrog croak 19:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree, its definitely a an issue for the person whose age has been constantly mentioned wrong especially that of an actor whose work suffers due to same and the people who need to get accurate details. -- Merockys ( talk) 23:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Ronz and others, are we awaiting update from someone or leaving it; as it is? -- Merockys ( talk) 23:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
The age still shows up as 29 in google search where there are numerous articles mentioning her correct age i.e. 26. Here are a few links!
I believe this should be enough to convince people. @Ronz updating it, she is the only celebrity i have seen with so much incorrect information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merockys ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
You are pitting these articles again First Post(pls install alexa if you dont know about it) Times of India and Indian Express(pls google) Again about looks its your personal view and PLS DONT impose that here! Merockys ( talk) 01:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ronz, yes i know her personally and hence the detailed research. If you would have seen recently all articles are mentioning the 1987 age as slowly things are getting clarified. The references above are credible ones, it's difficult for me to understand what better can be referred. Pls explain like do i get a birth certificate etc....so i can work on it. Merockys ( talk) 01:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
No new sources or explanations have been offered, so I've removed it. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I removed the info once again, along with the two contradictory sources. No explanation as why one date was chosen over the other. Both are very poor sources. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I've remove them once again, per the reasons given above. -- Hipal ( talk) 20:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
1. Fashion Central is a gossip website. It is not an acceptable source of reference. 2. Cancelled NPOV violating interpretation of some of the lines about her grandfather. 3. Some information were not mutually exclusive. Some statements can easily be derived from others if one follows logical thinking. No need to add useless lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boolyme ( talk • contribs) 21:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Citations are required especially for those films which have no wikipedia hyperlink. Otherwise, it is better to remove them. I have added the citation needed link. Boolyme Talk!! 22:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
1,4(Fashion central), 5(Fansite), 3( Rediff), 9,13(InStep: Jang Group) I will try to search for alternate references. If not, they might be removed soon. Boolyme Talk!! 22:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I will be deleting the concerned parts in the next 24 hours. Boolyme Talk!! 16:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I propose deletion of unreferenced items in filmography and television immediately. These programs may contain potentially libelous content. Hence, for a vandal=prone page like this, they should be immediately removed. I will do so in the next 24 hours if I get no counter argument. Boolyme Chat!! 10:33, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
"Coming from a conservative Muslim family, she faced great adversity from members of her family, especially her father,[3] on her decision to join show business. "
This comment comes from her fansite. Hence, should be immediately removed. Violation of WP:NPOV Boolyme Chat!! 17:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
If the NDTV link posted by ManagerArc is to be taken as a reliable reference, then it is to be noted that 20 out of 28 pages revolve around match-fixing and her links with Mohd. Asif. I beleive that Wikipedia is being used to create a wrong image of her by vested interest holders. Need someone to interfere in this shady business. I propose inclusion of an administrator to arbitrage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ek0-ETkFxI
Could someone explain what this video is about? Thanks. walk victor falk talk 00:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Controversy resulted in Pakistan over Malik's nude cover photo for FHM magazine India edition in which she had "ISI" written on her upper arm -- the initials of Pakistan's controversial Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency. "Row over Pakistan actress Veena Malik nude 'ISI' photo". bbc.co.uk/news. 2 December 2011.
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I've added copy to the article based upon the above in the hope that it will slow the editing while we discuss this further. -- Ronz ( talk) 02:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi I want to edit Veena Malik page and want to add some more useful information. So please allow me
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Please change her fathers name from Mohammad Ali Malik(incorrect) to Mohammad Aslam Malik(real name) also sometimes read as Malik Mohammad Aslam From 2 Authentic sources
Mohammad Aslam Malik's interview with a Pakistani television channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhLkaVtoexs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsV8fX8DyVM - Veena Maliks father name mentioned in an Indian tv channel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Immi786 ( talk • contribs) 17:50, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YsvjGzVVpQ&list=HL1323418787&feature=mh_lolz 115.118.37.14 ( talk) 09:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a means to disseminate gossip and scandal monger. Please let's stick to high quality sources and encyclopedic content. Please join the discussion above to suggest and evaluate potential sources before adding further material on the FHM image controversy. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Same goes for the recent "disappearance." -- Ronz ( talk) 20:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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Her Fathers name is Mohammed Aslam Malik also read as Malik Mohammad Aslam Interview with a Pakistani television channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhLkaVtoexs - Interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsV8fX8DyVM - Another mention in an Indian tv channel
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Her upcoming movie supermodel has not been added to this page the film has begun production in Fiji http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?ref=archive&id=199870 -- 27.123.184.112 ( talk) 08:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
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I don't see how, even with a reliable source, this is worth mention. Looks like a clear WP:NOTDIARY and WP:NOTSCANDAL violation. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I see absolutely no value in the new images. I'm still waiting some explanation from others.
I tend to avoid disputes on images, but it seems to me that for a WP:BLP we should have images that present the person's face clearly as well as some, if possible, that present the person in an image related to their notability. WP:IMAGE doesn't give us a great deal of guidance. -- Ronz ( talk) 13:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Looking over the page history, I think we should reincorporate another image removed without comment here. It gives a clearer view of her face than any others. However, the 'Dal Mein Kuch Kala Hai' promo image is good at full resolution. Perhaps it could be cropped to her face? -- Ronz ( talk) 13:47, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, her eyes are a bit squinted. Since there appear to be numerous editors interested in adding images from http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/ solely, maybe one of those editors can contact the site and arrange to have the Veena_dal_mein_kuch_kala_hai.jpg image cropped. I'm not sure what the policies/guidelines are for doing it yourself, but that should be looked into as well. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
As for Veena_Malik_at_Water_Kingdom_(9).jpg , it has all the problems brought up at this point in a single image and more. The eyes are squinted; it's not an image of just her face; she's wearing a wig, heavy makeup, and long eyelashes, making her almost unrecognizeable. -- Ronz ( talk) 15:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I've incorporated the cropped image. I'm not happy with how it turned out, but it's a definite improvement. I could make something much better from a higher resolution, less-manipulated original to work from. We should just keep looking for a better image. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
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You can use this as well. http://veenamalikofficial.com/images/downloads/11.jpg -- Merockys ( talk) 00:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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Pls edit her official website as www.veenamalikofficial.com which can be confirmed from her twitter account
https://twitter.com/iVeenaMalik
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I am from her team but not sure if there is any independent source which can confirm the same. Even her DOB is wrong and we have copy of the original one if that helps.--
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Can we have her official website as www.veenamalikofficial.com which can be confirmed from her twitter account https://twitter.com/iVeenaMalik as well as her old official website veenamalik.com.pk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merockys ( talk • contribs) 00:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Veena Malik has also acted in an Indian Punjabi Movie named "Pind di Kudi" in 2005.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pind_Di_Kurhi_(2005_film) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charanjaitu ( talk • contribs) 07:17, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Done
We can add that she is also a singer in the main bio. Its already mentioned that she released her first single 'Drama Queen' in the page itself. Also see the link. http://www.artistaloud.com/artists/Veena-Malik/32939 -- Merockys ( talk) 14:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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Veena Malik Father name is Muhammad Aslam belonging to district Bhakkar village Inayat Abad. He still have his regular to that village. Muhammad Aslam is retired from army. He has been working as driver (Pakistan Army Rahim Yar Khan Cantt. 1993) Altafkhokher ( talk) 10:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Veena has not acted or scripted to do so in any kollywood (tamil) movies. But she has in tollywood (telegu). You might want to change that on the main page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.236.109 ( talk • contribs) 20:03, November 6, 2013
http://www.veenamalik.com.pk doesn't seem to be run by her. I don't know who is running it, nor what relationship they have with her. Any ideas?
http://www.veenamalikkhan.com seems a bit more legit, but still seems to be a site run for her rather than by her. Should we link this as her official website? -- Ronz ( talk) 01:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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I am from PR team of Veena Malik and we want wikipedia to change the main picture of article, let us know how can we submit new photo? 39.41.26.255 ( talk) 16:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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Under ‘Controversy’
The May 2021 Adolf Hitler quote/misquote is not considered ‘controversial’, it is a grossly anti-Semitic endorsement of genocide. The wording needs to be reworded to accurately reflect this. 2607:FEA8:3DE1:CF00:5C6A:6F2:5A96:DD34 ( talk) 23:53, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
While the reference from TheWrap is better, I think the incident falls outside of what would be expected in an encyclopedia article on her. If there's better coverage in the future, we can revisit it. -- Hipal ( talk) 16:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
I don't think we should be using any refs from foxnews.com given the political nature of this issue. While The Independent is a better source, their specific coverage is poor, and looks like more WP:NOTNEWS.
TheWrap ref still seems the best by far. -- Hipal ( talk) 21:03, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Please note that this topic falls under sanctions per multiple ArbCom decisions. -- Hipal ( talk) 01:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
I'll just voice my opinion, I believe this controversy deserves at least some mention. I've read the relevant guidelines before and I'll read them again to be sure. And of course I won't add anything in without consensus on here. Also, there might be better sources in other languages but I haven't checked. Maybe in Urdu, or Arabic or Hebrew. Erinius ( talk) 12:22, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
There are well proven articles about her grossly anti-Semitic tweet, which even include screenshots. The sources (The Independent and Fox.news) are valid according to Wikipedia policy and used as reference throughout the wiki in thousand of other articles. The Independent article contains proof in the form of screenshots. The sources are varied geographically and ideologically, so there should be no bias controversy there (by academic standards). That she posted grossly anti-Semitic material is a fact and something of public interest, it must be on the page at least in the controversy section. People cancelling these facts should explain themselves and potentially disclose any bias/conflict of interest.
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Hoping that it will move us forward quickly: While there's no need for a formal
edit request, something similar that identifies changes to article content with references is always a good way to work out specifics. --
Hipal (
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I've got to say this just looks like a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT to refuse to include this, as Wikipedia thrives on sections of non-PC social media posts by white celebrities. See Gina Carano, section "Weeks later, after facing calls from some fans to specify her preferred gender pronouns in her Twitter bio,[71][72] she added "beep/bop/boop" to it. Many interpreted this as mocking the practice, leading to accusations of transphobia. She later removed the words from her profile, saying that Mandalorian actor Pedro Pascal had helped her "understand why people were putting [pronouns] in their bios."[5][73][74]" It's scandal-mongering and news tidbits to include a Pakistani actress saying that Jews should die, but it's a mega big deal that a white American actress wrote "beep/bop/boop". Here's the Malik story brought up again in The Week [13] and here it is in the Pakistani media too [14]. I couldn't give a damn about either side in the current conflict, so I'm not coming here as an Israel fan, but let's have some bloody consistency on what's notable and what's WP:NOTNEWS, because it seems that some Wikipedia users are saying WP:NOTNEWS when they really mean WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 13:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Hipal, why did you remove The Independent reference? There's nothing wrong with it. Anna ( talk) 04:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Aurat March is serious about helping women or not, Veena Malik seems serious about commenting about it and Pakistani media serious in covering Veena Malik's seriousness on Aurat March.
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 03:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 03:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
@ USaamo: you feel I do not cover criticism of Aurat March. I had covered criticism in this article also but was reverted. Now here are more refs for criticism from Veena Malik if you are in favour of covering but you will need to negotiate a consensus with User:Hipal
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 03:53, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
“Veena Malik tum badmash orat ho” - translate or revert please. ELSchissel ( talk) 15:28, 28 December 2022 (UTC) ELSchissel ( talk) 15:28, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
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She also has become the first Pakistani to trend on Twitter, following her televized fight with a mullah. Since its noteworthy enough for Charlie Sheen, is it possible to add that to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.181.93.198 ( talk) 16:58, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok. managerarc: here you go:
1. I agree that Cinehour is a gossip website. I will remove the contents in my next edit 2. Visit the official website of BB4. It has many videos of them kissing and fondling. I will post the link on my next edit. For the next point, I will remove the "Struggling actor comment" as if the world didn't know about Mr. Ashmit Patel.. huh.. 3. Samaylive is not an unreliable source. It is a more reliable source than The Express Tribune, The Jung Group and Fashion Central. I wish you had the wits to understand this. Don't try to portray a false image of your client. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boolyme ( talk • contribs) 16:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
1. Samaylive is an established media source. It can be added that Ms. malik has not yet confirmed whether the nude pics are hers. 2. Ok.. how about this: " Adult nude movie features Veena Malik". Happy?? .. huh... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boolyme ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
@managerarc: "(Revert copyvio etc, see talk page)": abe kahe ka talk page. i will edit it again and again and again... u just wait and see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boolyme ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
This article needs a careful review with an eye to WP:BLP, and any potential violations should be removed and discussed. -- Ronz ( talk) 19:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Everything I can find agrees on Feb 26, but the year varies widely, from 1978 to 1984. Anyone want to propose a solution? -- Ronz ( talk) 17:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
These sources [4] and [5] confirm that she celebrated her 27th birthday, which means her year of birth must be 1984. I don't think there could be any problems in adding it now. --- Managerarc talk 18:19, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I'd prefer an in-depth biography as a source, and I think we should avoid anything that's even borderline tabloid-style journalism. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:07, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Over a year later and we've no progress. Unless a substantially better reference can be found, I don't see how we can justify choosing one date over the others (1984 vs 1980 vs 1978). -- Ronz ( talk) 18:05, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Pls see the reference below to confirm her accurate age which is 26 Feb 1987, she turned 26 this time. Her previous official website(veenamalik.com.pk) directs to the new official website i.e. www.veenamalikofficial.com which also states the same. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Veena-Malik-wants-to-break-four-more-records/articleshow/18953268.cms -- Merockys ( talk) 21:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
We are her official team and wanting to update all correct information regarding her age, projects, family etc. 'Times of India' is number one newspaper in India which wrote the article. We even have her birth certificate if that helps! I am unsure what best we can provide to get her proper bio here. We don't mind the neutrality on things but definitely accuracy on facts! -- Merockys ( talk) 21:00, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
There has been a confusion since the start as by mistake her date was entered as 1984 in one of the TV shows 'Bigg Boss' in India and since then it was carried forward. I believe she never tried to clarify it actively. Now if the birth certificate(which can be attached) is not proof enough then what is the solution? Apart from this her project details as well as about family is not proper. -- Merockys ( talk) 18:15, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
OK will provide the details on how the confusion started. Firstly when she entered BIGG BOSS they kept her age 1978 which was wrong by a decade. Obviously she being inside the 'house' didn't know about same. There were many who picked that up and continued to write the same. Then after her managers intervention they again put a wrong date of 1984 and even the 'then' team was not clear about things. This again continued. She later on tried to clarify in vain and hence the article which you are referring to. She even gave an interview to MIRROR where she told them that her age was wrong by a decade which they again misunderstood(that that the FHM controversy added 10 years to her age). The press/media gets things wrong as well! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/veena-malik-nude-pose-pakistani-281077 We can provide a passport copy but not a public forum here but a direct email.-- Merockys ( talk) 10:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
i agree, lets get more reliable sources and the latest ones.-- Merockys ( talk) 00:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Ronz i agree with others, lets have what Veena Malik has to say about her age and incorporate other reliable sources as well. Its been a very long discussion, as with passage of time there would be more sources we could refer to. -- Merockys ( talk) 10:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Also her parents got married in 1982 and she is a third child in family with two elder sisters. As far as her appearance on the 2000 film is concerned, if you aware about actors they are made to look different/older/younger with makeup etc. and hence cannot be judged by looks alone my friend.-- Merockys ( talk) 14:02, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Ronz if you have a better option then pls put in on table. We cannot not have her DOB missing from the page for another 2 years! -- Merockys ( talk) 20:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I am going to add my voice here (since I'm about to close the BLP/N discussion to keep this in one place). I agree with Ronz on principle. If there is no single, reliable secondary source for the birth date, then it should be omitted from the bio. There are plenty of precedents on this throughout the encyclopedia. The only reason arguing about this would be worth it would be if the birth date were of some tangible consequence, associated with the subject's notability, or of historical value. I don't see that as being the case here. Sending a photo of the passport or birth certificate to OTRS (which has been done in other cases) is not very useful since it's a primary source. I think it's a bit too much to add a whole set of "X said she was born this year and Y said this other year" disclaimer-type intro to the bio. I just don't see the point. But we work by consensus so it's up to you guys. I'm just giving you my opinion. Either way, unless we get a specific communication asking us to omit the birth date there's little we can do. On the other hand, someone might want to summarize the consensus here in a more readable form and take !votes. As long as WP:BLP is not being trampled, have at it. I just think it's excessive to spend this much time on a non-issue. § FreeRangeFrog croak 19:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree, its definitely a an issue for the person whose age has been constantly mentioned wrong especially that of an actor whose work suffers due to same and the people who need to get accurate details. -- Merockys ( talk) 23:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Ronz and others, are we awaiting update from someone or leaving it; as it is? -- Merockys ( talk) 23:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
The age still shows up as 29 in google search where there are numerous articles mentioning her correct age i.e. 26. Here are a few links!
I believe this should be enough to convince people. @Ronz updating it, she is the only celebrity i have seen with so much incorrect information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merockys ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
You are pitting these articles again First Post(pls install alexa if you dont know about it) Times of India and Indian Express(pls google) Again about looks its your personal view and PLS DONT impose that here! Merockys ( talk) 01:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ronz, yes i know her personally and hence the detailed research. If you would have seen recently all articles are mentioning the 1987 age as slowly things are getting clarified. The references above are credible ones, it's difficult for me to understand what better can be referred. Pls explain like do i get a birth certificate etc....so i can work on it. Merockys ( talk) 01:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
No new sources or explanations have been offered, so I've removed it. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I removed the info once again, along with the two contradictory sources. No explanation as why one date was chosen over the other. Both are very poor sources. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I've remove them once again, per the reasons given above. -- Hipal ( talk) 20:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
1. Fashion Central is a gossip website. It is not an acceptable source of reference. 2. Cancelled NPOV violating interpretation of some of the lines about her grandfather. 3. Some information were not mutually exclusive. Some statements can easily be derived from others if one follows logical thinking. No need to add useless lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boolyme ( talk • contribs) 21:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Citations are required especially for those films which have no wikipedia hyperlink. Otherwise, it is better to remove them. I have added the citation needed link. Boolyme Talk!! 22:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
1,4(Fashion central), 5(Fansite), 3( Rediff), 9,13(InStep: Jang Group) I will try to search for alternate references. If not, they might be removed soon. Boolyme Talk!! 22:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I will be deleting the concerned parts in the next 24 hours. Boolyme Talk!! 16:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I propose deletion of unreferenced items in filmography and television immediately. These programs may contain potentially libelous content. Hence, for a vandal=prone page like this, they should be immediately removed. I will do so in the next 24 hours if I get no counter argument. Boolyme Chat!! 10:33, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
"Coming from a conservative Muslim family, she faced great adversity from members of her family, especially her father,[3] on her decision to join show business. "
This comment comes from her fansite. Hence, should be immediately removed. Violation of WP:NPOV Boolyme Chat!! 17:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
If the NDTV link posted by ManagerArc is to be taken as a reliable reference, then it is to be noted that 20 out of 28 pages revolve around match-fixing and her links with Mohd. Asif. I beleive that Wikipedia is being used to create a wrong image of her by vested interest holders. Need someone to interfere in this shady business. I propose inclusion of an administrator to arbitrage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ek0-ETkFxI
Could someone explain what this video is about? Thanks. walk victor falk talk 00:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Controversy resulted in Pakistan over Malik's nude cover photo for FHM magazine India edition in which she had "ISI" written on her upper arm -- the initials of Pakistan's controversial Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency. "Row over Pakistan actress Veena Malik nude 'ISI' photo". bbc.co.uk/news. 2 December 2011.
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I've added copy to the article based upon the above in the hope that it will slow the editing while we discuss this further. -- Ronz ( talk) 02:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi I want to edit Veena Malik page and want to add some more useful information. So please allow me
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Please change her fathers name from Mohammad Ali Malik(incorrect) to Mohammad Aslam Malik(real name) also sometimes read as Malik Mohammad Aslam From 2 Authentic sources
Mohammad Aslam Malik's interview with a Pakistani television channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhLkaVtoexs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsV8fX8DyVM - Veena Maliks father name mentioned in an Indian tv channel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Immi786 ( talk • contribs) 17:50, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YsvjGzVVpQ&list=HL1323418787&feature=mh_lolz 115.118.37.14 ( talk) 09:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a means to disseminate gossip and scandal monger. Please let's stick to high quality sources and encyclopedic content. Please join the discussion above to suggest and evaluate potential sources before adding further material on the FHM image controversy. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Same goes for the recent "disappearance." -- Ronz ( talk) 20:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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Her Fathers name is Mohammed Aslam Malik also read as Malik Mohammad Aslam Interview with a Pakistani television channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhLkaVtoexs - Interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsV8fX8DyVM - Another mention in an Indian tv channel
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Her upcoming movie supermodel has not been added to this page the film has begun production in Fiji http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?ref=archive&id=199870 -- 27.123.184.112 ( talk) 08:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
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I don't see how, even with a reliable source, this is worth mention. Looks like a clear WP:NOTDIARY and WP:NOTSCANDAL violation. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I see absolutely no value in the new images. I'm still waiting some explanation from others.
I tend to avoid disputes on images, but it seems to me that for a WP:BLP we should have images that present the person's face clearly as well as some, if possible, that present the person in an image related to their notability. WP:IMAGE doesn't give us a great deal of guidance. -- Ronz ( talk) 13:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Looking over the page history, I think we should reincorporate another image removed without comment here. It gives a clearer view of her face than any others. However, the 'Dal Mein Kuch Kala Hai' promo image is good at full resolution. Perhaps it could be cropped to her face? -- Ronz ( talk) 13:47, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, her eyes are a bit squinted. Since there appear to be numerous editors interested in adding images from http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/ solely, maybe one of those editors can contact the site and arrange to have the Veena_dal_mein_kuch_kala_hai.jpg image cropped. I'm not sure what the policies/guidelines are for doing it yourself, but that should be looked into as well. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
As for Veena_Malik_at_Water_Kingdom_(9).jpg , it has all the problems brought up at this point in a single image and more. The eyes are squinted; it's not an image of just her face; she's wearing a wig, heavy makeup, and long eyelashes, making her almost unrecognizeable. -- Ronz ( talk) 15:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I've incorporated the cropped image. I'm not happy with how it turned out, but it's a definite improvement. I could make something much better from a higher resolution, less-manipulated original to work from. We should just keep looking for a better image. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
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You can use this as well. http://veenamalikofficial.com/images/downloads/11.jpg -- Merockys ( talk) 00:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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Pls edit her official website as www.veenamalikofficial.com which can be confirmed from her twitter account
https://twitter.com/iVeenaMalik
Merockys (
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I am from her team but not sure if there is any independent source which can confirm the same. Even her DOB is wrong and we have copy of the original one if that helps.--
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Can we have her official website as www.veenamalikofficial.com which can be confirmed from her twitter account https://twitter.com/iVeenaMalik as well as her old official website veenamalik.com.pk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merockys ( talk • contribs) 00:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Veena Malik has also acted in an Indian Punjabi Movie named "Pind di Kudi" in 2005.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pind_Di_Kurhi_(2005_film) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charanjaitu ( talk • contribs) 07:17, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Done
We can add that she is also a singer in the main bio. Its already mentioned that she released her first single 'Drama Queen' in the page itself. Also see the link. http://www.artistaloud.com/artists/Veena-Malik/32939 -- Merockys ( talk) 14:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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Veena Malik Father name is Muhammad Aslam belonging to district Bhakkar village Inayat Abad. He still have his regular to that village. Muhammad Aslam is retired from army. He has been working as driver (Pakistan Army Rahim Yar Khan Cantt. 1993) Altafkhokher ( talk) 10:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Veena has not acted or scripted to do so in any kollywood (tamil) movies. But she has in tollywood (telegu). You might want to change that on the main page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.236.109 ( talk • contribs) 20:03, November 6, 2013
http://www.veenamalik.com.pk doesn't seem to be run by her. I don't know who is running it, nor what relationship they have with her. Any ideas?
http://www.veenamalikkhan.com seems a bit more legit, but still seems to be a site run for her rather than by her. Should we link this as her official website? -- Ronz ( talk) 01:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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I am from PR team of Veena Malik and we want wikipedia to change the main picture of article, let us know how can we submit new photo? 39.41.26.255 ( talk) 16:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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Under ‘Controversy’
The May 2021 Adolf Hitler quote/misquote is not considered ‘controversial’, it is a grossly anti-Semitic endorsement of genocide. The wording needs to be reworded to accurately reflect this. 2607:FEA8:3DE1:CF00:5C6A:6F2:5A96:DD34 ( talk) 23:53, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
While the reference from TheWrap is better, I think the incident falls outside of what would be expected in an encyclopedia article on her. If there's better coverage in the future, we can revisit it. -- Hipal ( talk) 16:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
I don't think we should be using any refs from foxnews.com given the political nature of this issue. While The Independent is a better source, their specific coverage is poor, and looks like more WP:NOTNEWS.
TheWrap ref still seems the best by far. -- Hipal ( talk) 21:03, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Please note that this topic falls under sanctions per multiple ArbCom decisions. -- Hipal ( talk) 01:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
I'll just voice my opinion, I believe this controversy deserves at least some mention. I've read the relevant guidelines before and I'll read them again to be sure. And of course I won't add anything in without consensus on here. Also, there might be better sources in other languages but I haven't checked. Maybe in Urdu, or Arabic or Hebrew. Erinius ( talk) 12:22, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
There are well proven articles about her grossly anti-Semitic tweet, which even include screenshots. The sources (The Independent and Fox.news) are valid according to Wikipedia policy and used as reference throughout the wiki in thousand of other articles. The Independent article contains proof in the form of screenshots. The sources are varied geographically and ideologically, so there should be no bias controversy there (by academic standards). That she posted grossly anti-Semitic material is a fact and something of public interest, it must be on the page at least in the controversy section. People cancelling these facts should explain themselves and potentially disclose any bias/conflict of interest.
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Hoping that it will move us forward quickly: While there's no need for a formal
edit request, something similar that identifies changes to article content with references is always a good way to work out specifics. --
Hipal (
talk) 15:21, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
I've got to say this just looks like a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT to refuse to include this, as Wikipedia thrives on sections of non-PC social media posts by white celebrities. See Gina Carano, section "Weeks later, after facing calls from some fans to specify her preferred gender pronouns in her Twitter bio,[71][72] she added "beep/bop/boop" to it. Many interpreted this as mocking the practice, leading to accusations of transphobia. She later removed the words from her profile, saying that Mandalorian actor Pedro Pascal had helped her "understand why people were putting [pronouns] in their bios."[5][73][74]" It's scandal-mongering and news tidbits to include a Pakistani actress saying that Jews should die, but it's a mega big deal that a white American actress wrote "beep/bop/boop". Here's the Malik story brought up again in The Week [13] and here it is in the Pakistani media too [14]. I couldn't give a damn about either side in the current conflict, so I'm not coming here as an Israel fan, but let's have some bloody consistency on what's notable and what's WP:NOTNEWS, because it seems that some Wikipedia users are saying WP:NOTNEWS when they really mean WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 13:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Hipal, why did you remove The Independent reference? There's nothing wrong with it. Anna ( talk) 04:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Aurat March is serious about helping women or not, Veena Malik seems serious about commenting about it and Pakistani media serious in covering Veena Malik's seriousness on Aurat March.
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 03:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 03:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
@ USaamo: you feel I do not cover criticism of Aurat March. I had covered criticism in this article also but was reverted. Now here are more refs for criticism from Veena Malik if you are in favour of covering but you will need to negotiate a consensus with User:Hipal
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 03:53, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
“Veena Malik tum badmash orat ho” - translate or revert please. ELSchissel ( talk) 15:28, 28 December 2022 (UTC) ELSchissel ( talk) 15:28, 28 December 2022 (UTC)