An essay (in two parts) by Meera Nanda regarding "The mixing up of the mythos of the Vedas with the logos of science must be of great concern not just to the scientific community, but also to the religious people, for it is a distortion of both science and spirituality."
Emyth 14:17, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
Please note that an Anonymous Vandal (22:20, May 29, 2005 68.159.23.40) simply deleted the NPOV Dispute notice and deleted the external links to Meera Nanda's critique of "Vedic Science". Such actions are contrary to our values in the Wikipedia project and will be reverted as soon as they are noticed. Emyth 13:42, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
Response to Meera Nanda's article
For a more realistic picture of 'Hinduism studies' in the US, please see following - which reveal the opposite of what Meera Nanda attempts to portray.
U.S. Hinduism Studies: A Question of Shoddy Scholarship
Further, she discredits notable Indian scientist Jagdish Chandra Bose's acheivements because of his interest in Vedanta. (He is known for his pioneering work in wireless communication and invention of the Crescograph. )
Many prominent scientists (Tesla, Schroedinger, Heisenberg) were influenced by Vedanta. Interest in vedic science is not meant to replace science with vedic study - it is only an attempt to reconcile/find the link between the two, which many suspect is more than meets the eye. It also attempts to delve into the science (see Science & technology in Ancient India), philosophy, logic contained within the Vedas. Creation science rejects portions of mainstream science where it does not correlate with the Genesis, while students of vedic science do not reject scientifically validated theories and evidence.
Ayurveda, for instance, is a system of medicine that has a 2000 yr old tradition of surgery & many practioners and patients around the world. Surely, it deserves more than ridicule by Meera? -- Pranathi 00:12, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Respectfully disagreed as there are TWO proven modern scientific notions within Ayurvedic traditions, namely, Immunology and Plastic Surgery (Rhinoplasty)invented by Maharishi Sushruta, translated into Arabic by al-Biruni and then Italian from the Arabic translations around 1300. If you're going to pretend to be the smartest person in the world by immediately discrediting something because of its tie to tradition then at least get your factual history right. "Indologists" like Meera Nanda and Romila Thapar do more to hinder the study of Indian History with their criticisms than they help. J. Raj Bali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.203.143 ( talk) 17:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Who is disputing what, and why? Please make the necessary changes, the dispute header needs to go. Sam Spade 16:22, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The out-of context and poorly formatted quotations that litter this article should be moved to wikiquote or deleted. In addition, I ask User:Holy Ganga to observe civility in edit summaries. — goethean ॐ 22:02, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
It takes time to update article. If you don't like or agree with something, it's better to discuss rather than deleting whole article. Vedic science article should include related Vedic Verses and different types of Vedic science. - Holy Ganga 22:41, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
but could there be some discussion before an article is turned into something about an entirely different topic? This used to be about the Maharishi thing termed "Vedic science". It seems to be about a vague concept of "anything that is claimed by anybody to be Vedic and scientific". Vedic science proper is Vedanga, which has its own article. The Maharishi thing and Vedanga needs to be clearly disambiguated. Ayurveda is again different, and again already has its article. Vedic mathematics is again different, and again already has its article. Maybe this should be just a disambiguation page. It is supreme bullshit to claim that "Critics dencounce these theories as pseudoscience" when this article is about everything and nothing in particular. Nobody denounces the six Vedanga, they are proper Iron Age scholarship. Critics certainly denounce the modern Maharishi and Tirthaji stuff, which have their own articles. There is no connection whatsoever between actual science of Vedic times (known as Vedanga) and the various modern schools termed Vedic. I will for this reason revert this to the stage where it was clearly about Maharishi. If you want to make it a dab page, that's fine, the Maharishi stuff can then reside at Vedic science (Maharishi) or something. dab (ᛏ) 10:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
To represent only Maharishi's views on Vedic science and medicine there is a separate article Maharishi Vedic Science and Maharishi Vedic Medicine - Holy Ganga 08:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I was not aware of Maharishi Vedic Science or Indian science and technology. All the more reason to make this a dab page. dab (ᛏ) 20:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Why are the above critical articles supposing that Vedic Science in anyway "threatens" conventional science?...of all ther Great religons Hinduism is one of the few that does not baulk against modern science. Hinduism does not belive it's right in religon why should it propose a science that is inclusive to itself?? Its goes against everything that Hinduism is. Science and Hinduism can live together...(unlike the Abrahamic religons) Please refrain from tarring all religon with the yoke of Creationism. Hindutva may have their own agenda, but this is plainly an a blackening of a ancient world culture....I like the fact that (apart from a few mild comments from one contributer on this section) the Islamic Science section has very little comment, whilst this section seems to be full of Hindu haters.For instance Meera Nanda states..
They justify developing a science in accord with the Vedic cosmology as an attempt to decolonise the ‘Hindu mind’ of western, Semitic–monotheistic influences. Indeed, scholar–activists sympathetic to the Hindu worldview, including Rajiv Malhotra and Koenard Elst routinely cite the writings of Ashis Nandy, Ronald Inden and even Gayatri Spivak as allies in a shared project of understanding India through Hindu categories.
Since when has Hinduism EVER claimed the non monotheistic nature of God? This is from the Maitriyani Upanishad (V.1) of the Sâmaveda.
Thou art Brahmâ, Thou art Vishnu, Thou art Rudra, Thou Prajâpati, Thou Agni, Varuna, Vâyu, Indra, Soma, Manu, Yama, and Bhumi (Earth). Thou art All, Thou art the Imperishable. In Thee all things exist in many forms, whether for their natural or for their own (higher) ends. Lord of the Universe, glory unto Thee! Thou art the Self of All, Thou art the Maker of All, the Enjoyer of All; Thou art all life, and the Lord of all pleasure and joy. Glory to Thee, O tranquil One, the deeply-hidden One, the Incomprehensible, the Immeasurable; O Thou without beginning and without end
Also what exactly is "The Hindu World View"?? She tars all Hindus as extreme, if I stated that ALL Muslims are fundamental...what would you think of me? Exactly, Ms Nanda has a hidden agenda, by all means attack extreme views but do not tar all with the same brush. TP GMT 1.30pm 9th May 2006
I think it's important to mention that some aspects of vedic science is pseudoscience as per WP:NPOV, to prevent misunderstanding, especially since it's called Vedic science. We can have this in both this article, and the individual articles. Since wikipedia is not a paper dictionary, this isn't an issue. Naroays 12:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
There are a number of conflicting views being propounded in the name of vedic science. The term 'Vedic Science' is a modern invention, and its meaning is debatable. Some adherents of vedic science seem to oppose modern science, but they are few. The majority of such people are saying that many ideas of modern science were present in vedic and related literature in explicit or implicit form. Most of these claims seem to be extravagant, but a few less-known claims deserve attention, provided these views are based on verifiable documentary and logical grounds. Most of hindutva-related web pages fail to provide concrete evidence in favour of the claims that many ideas of modern science were known to Vedic or other ancient peoples. Only propaganda will not do, these people should provide evidence or shut up. A wrong interpretation of Vedic and related texts must be opposed. - Vinay Jha. VinJha 03:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
An essay (in two parts) by Meera Nanda regarding "The mixing up of the mythos of the Vedas with the logos of science must be of great concern not just to the scientific community, but also to the religious people, for it is a distortion of both science and spirituality."
Emyth 14:17, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
Please note that an Anonymous Vandal (22:20, May 29, 2005 68.159.23.40) simply deleted the NPOV Dispute notice and deleted the external links to Meera Nanda's critique of "Vedic Science". Such actions are contrary to our values in the Wikipedia project and will be reverted as soon as they are noticed. Emyth 13:42, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
Response to Meera Nanda's article
For a more realistic picture of 'Hinduism studies' in the US, please see following - which reveal the opposite of what Meera Nanda attempts to portray.
U.S. Hinduism Studies: A Question of Shoddy Scholarship
Further, she discredits notable Indian scientist Jagdish Chandra Bose's acheivements because of his interest in Vedanta. (He is known for his pioneering work in wireless communication and invention of the Crescograph. )
Many prominent scientists (Tesla, Schroedinger, Heisenberg) were influenced by Vedanta. Interest in vedic science is not meant to replace science with vedic study - it is only an attempt to reconcile/find the link between the two, which many suspect is more than meets the eye. It also attempts to delve into the science (see Science & technology in Ancient India), philosophy, logic contained within the Vedas. Creation science rejects portions of mainstream science where it does not correlate with the Genesis, while students of vedic science do not reject scientifically validated theories and evidence.
Ayurveda, for instance, is a system of medicine that has a 2000 yr old tradition of surgery & many practioners and patients around the world. Surely, it deserves more than ridicule by Meera? -- Pranathi 00:12, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Respectfully disagreed as there are TWO proven modern scientific notions within Ayurvedic traditions, namely, Immunology and Plastic Surgery (Rhinoplasty)invented by Maharishi Sushruta, translated into Arabic by al-Biruni and then Italian from the Arabic translations around 1300. If you're going to pretend to be the smartest person in the world by immediately discrediting something because of its tie to tradition then at least get your factual history right. "Indologists" like Meera Nanda and Romila Thapar do more to hinder the study of Indian History with their criticisms than they help. J. Raj Bali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.203.143 ( talk) 17:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Who is disputing what, and why? Please make the necessary changes, the dispute header needs to go. Sam Spade 16:22, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The out-of context and poorly formatted quotations that litter this article should be moved to wikiquote or deleted. In addition, I ask User:Holy Ganga to observe civility in edit summaries. — goethean ॐ 22:02, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
It takes time to update article. If you don't like or agree with something, it's better to discuss rather than deleting whole article. Vedic science article should include related Vedic Verses and different types of Vedic science. - Holy Ganga 22:41, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
but could there be some discussion before an article is turned into something about an entirely different topic? This used to be about the Maharishi thing termed "Vedic science". It seems to be about a vague concept of "anything that is claimed by anybody to be Vedic and scientific". Vedic science proper is Vedanga, which has its own article. The Maharishi thing and Vedanga needs to be clearly disambiguated. Ayurveda is again different, and again already has its article. Vedic mathematics is again different, and again already has its article. Maybe this should be just a disambiguation page. It is supreme bullshit to claim that "Critics dencounce these theories as pseudoscience" when this article is about everything and nothing in particular. Nobody denounces the six Vedanga, they are proper Iron Age scholarship. Critics certainly denounce the modern Maharishi and Tirthaji stuff, which have their own articles. There is no connection whatsoever between actual science of Vedic times (known as Vedanga) and the various modern schools termed Vedic. I will for this reason revert this to the stage where it was clearly about Maharishi. If you want to make it a dab page, that's fine, the Maharishi stuff can then reside at Vedic science (Maharishi) or something. dab (ᛏ) 10:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
To represent only Maharishi's views on Vedic science and medicine there is a separate article Maharishi Vedic Science and Maharishi Vedic Medicine - Holy Ganga 08:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I was not aware of Maharishi Vedic Science or Indian science and technology. All the more reason to make this a dab page. dab (ᛏ) 20:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Why are the above critical articles supposing that Vedic Science in anyway "threatens" conventional science?...of all ther Great religons Hinduism is one of the few that does not baulk against modern science. Hinduism does not belive it's right in religon why should it propose a science that is inclusive to itself?? Its goes against everything that Hinduism is. Science and Hinduism can live together...(unlike the Abrahamic religons) Please refrain from tarring all religon with the yoke of Creationism. Hindutva may have their own agenda, but this is plainly an a blackening of a ancient world culture....I like the fact that (apart from a few mild comments from one contributer on this section) the Islamic Science section has very little comment, whilst this section seems to be full of Hindu haters.For instance Meera Nanda states..
They justify developing a science in accord with the Vedic cosmology as an attempt to decolonise the ‘Hindu mind’ of western, Semitic–monotheistic influences. Indeed, scholar–activists sympathetic to the Hindu worldview, including Rajiv Malhotra and Koenard Elst routinely cite the writings of Ashis Nandy, Ronald Inden and even Gayatri Spivak as allies in a shared project of understanding India through Hindu categories.
Since when has Hinduism EVER claimed the non monotheistic nature of God? This is from the Maitriyani Upanishad (V.1) of the Sâmaveda.
Thou art Brahmâ, Thou art Vishnu, Thou art Rudra, Thou Prajâpati, Thou Agni, Varuna, Vâyu, Indra, Soma, Manu, Yama, and Bhumi (Earth). Thou art All, Thou art the Imperishable. In Thee all things exist in many forms, whether for their natural or for their own (higher) ends. Lord of the Universe, glory unto Thee! Thou art the Self of All, Thou art the Maker of All, the Enjoyer of All; Thou art all life, and the Lord of all pleasure and joy. Glory to Thee, O tranquil One, the deeply-hidden One, the Incomprehensible, the Immeasurable; O Thou without beginning and without end
Also what exactly is "The Hindu World View"?? She tars all Hindus as extreme, if I stated that ALL Muslims are fundamental...what would you think of me? Exactly, Ms Nanda has a hidden agenda, by all means attack extreme views but do not tar all with the same brush. TP GMT 1.30pm 9th May 2006
I think it's important to mention that some aspects of vedic science is pseudoscience as per WP:NPOV, to prevent misunderstanding, especially since it's called Vedic science. We can have this in both this article, and the individual articles. Since wikipedia is not a paper dictionary, this isn't an issue. Naroays 12:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
There are a number of conflicting views being propounded in the name of vedic science. The term 'Vedic Science' is a modern invention, and its meaning is debatable. Some adherents of vedic science seem to oppose modern science, but they are few. The majority of such people are saying that many ideas of modern science were present in vedic and related literature in explicit or implicit form. Most of these claims seem to be extravagant, but a few less-known claims deserve attention, provided these views are based on verifiable documentary and logical grounds. Most of hindutva-related web pages fail to provide concrete evidence in favour of the claims that many ideas of modern science were known to Vedic or other ancient peoples. Only propaganda will not do, these people should provide evidence or shut up. A wrong interpretation of Vedic and related texts must be opposed. - Vinay Jha. VinJha 03:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)