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I just made a few edits to this page. One thing I can't quite tell from reading the BCGNIS entries is whether it flows into the Fraser River or the Sumas River. The "Vedder River". BC Geographical Names. entry says it flows into the Sumas River, but the "Chilliwack River". BC Geographical Names. pages says the Fraser River. The Chilliwack entry also has info on an alteration of the river's original mouth, and there is something about the Vedder Canal. But without doing more research I can't quite tell what the deal is. So I described it as best I could for now, with footnotes. Perhaps someone can explain it better, or I'll find time to do more research. Pfly ( talk) 18:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Completely and totally, but likewise Hatzic Prairie, Matsqui Prairie, Chilliwack Prairie, Kent, Pitt Meadows....Port Coquitlam was once a vast berry bog full of spawning salmon a few times of year, hence the meaning "land of stinking fish". By the way the '-am" there is the "people" suffix that you also observed, sort of, with Kwantlen - when you showed me Kwanitlum it made sense; likewise the -am on the end of Muqueam and certain others; -imc/imx, -mx, -emx, -mec are all pretty much the same word, just as it turns up in the various Salish languages; it's not the only word for "people" or "nation" though - there's uxuiumixw, temexw, -ullh/-ull/-ulh-/ul and others I wouldn't hazard to explain the differences of, and it may vary from language to language. Another area, my own turf, that's seen major change is the Stave River Valley, even speaking only of the old oxbow lake/marsh at the bottom of its canyon, 2 miles up from the Fraser where Ruskin Dam is now (my bad for no separate dam article, as I'm from there, I just keep on putting it off as i don't have the stomach for the technical details, being raised around them....technical data I'd prefer to get paid for transcribing out, though I've added some info to certain articles....which brings me back round to this one, as there'll be reports on the Vedder Canal as well as the ongoing Sumas Lake drainage project/systems, hard to say under whose aegis, i.e. whether the RD, Fisheries, BC Public Works (whatever that's called at the moment), or the Fraser Valley Dyking Commission (composed mf members from regional district boards and community representatives from affected areas, with lots of reports out there). Although the dyking system was in place, such as it was, from early on, it didn't hold up to the Fraser Great Flood of 1894 (1989?) and the Fraser Great Flood if 1948 (whatever the proper article titles might be; there's a format) - there are of course doubts about today's system, too - given the prospect of a 200-year or more flood - but it's a given in BC history that the post-war Dutch immigration which heavily settled in the Fraser Valley, and the Mennonite community likewise (many Dutch Mennonite) are to credit for the re-engineering of the Fraser dykes which have held out, more or less, until now. Talk about a disaster waiting to happen but it's not why the comments; it's because the whole Fraser Lowland has has been far more transformed than nearly anyone living in it today realizes; even in my time, but since Contact times it's boggling. One place you might find interesting, and starkly beautiful in its own way (I find the country in that area "dark") is the Pitt Polder, a few square miles of what used to be Pitt Lake, which was drained as a post-war project - ironically settled by Icelanders rather than the Dutch, who preferred the south bank of the valley, and Agassiz, likewise the certain sort of German more common on the north side of the Fraser; in my experience of the respective individuals and communities, that is (the north bank is more secular, for one thing, for all ethnic groups though the religionist element is still there); among things needed in the Lower Mainland area, just to jot the notes here and maybe migrate them later, is a writeup of the dairy and vegetable and fruit industries in the Fraser Valley, and there's yet to be an article on the Fraser fishery - a monster, for anyone wanting to tackle the topic; the fishery as practiced on the river by the three competing interest gropus (cmomercial First Nations and sport); too big for my taste but an important part of the history; likewise th background to the Vedder Canal - I think it was a WAC Bennett-instigated project and has a particular legislative history; given that area's historical right-wing voting pattern/importance as a "safe seat" probably a under the wing of the area's MLA, who was because of the aforesaid most likely a cabinet minister ("Want to get something done in your area? Vote for a government member/cabinet minister - the pork barrel in BC and Canada is so entrenched in the system that, as evinced in such politicking, it's even used for political advertising as a good thing; talk about a "wash" huh?' Anyway there's a political history here, and lots of engineering and environmental content to be done; again, in the case of nearly all rivers/prairie areas in the Lower Mainland. Sumas Lake's a fascinating story - one reason it was drained was anti-mosquito and anti-malaria policies - one of my neighbours used to have a job diong the mosquito count back in the '60s, as it's an ongiong issue....and one reason we don't have the bird populations we used to see, also....like anywhere else on this sorry planet of late, huh? In regard to Sumas, by the way, if you haven't read Louie Sam or heard the story, I recommend it as far as cross-border articles that could use collaborative improvement...likweise Whatcom Trail, which needs fixing/improvement and so on; and so and so and so on.... Skookum1 ( talk) 02:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Pretty clear this article could benefit from an illuatrative, rather than a locational map (worthwhile switches to add to the reqmap template no? Hmmm), showing the various stretches of the river's name, and also Chilliwack Creek. About which:
Gets me wondering about the complex sloughs along the Fraser, and which of them could have been considered part of the Chilliwack's subdelta within the Fraser's. BTW the Fraser Delta is designated on a highway overlook on the "Agassiz Mountain" (actually Mount Woodside, but the colloquial meaning is teh mountain road that gets you to, or is near, Agassiz) which says that the area below, Rosedale Prarie on the south and Agassiz Prairie on the north, are where the delta begins; excluding interpolary uplands that is. I think S. Holland defines Fraser Lowland as a geographic unit, not sure if he distinguishes Fraser Delta; to me that would tend to mean Lulu Island and South Delta, not upstream from it; so usages vary. The idea is that the old Chilliwack River must have hit around the maze of sloughs in that area; the end of its official course at the time of its existence may not correspond with the outlet of Chilliwack Creek....just speculating.... Skookum1 ( talk) 02:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
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I just made a few edits to this page. One thing I can't quite tell from reading the BCGNIS entries is whether it flows into the Fraser River or the Sumas River. The "Vedder River". BC Geographical Names. entry says it flows into the Sumas River, but the "Chilliwack River". BC Geographical Names. pages says the Fraser River. The Chilliwack entry also has info on an alteration of the river's original mouth, and there is something about the Vedder Canal. But without doing more research I can't quite tell what the deal is. So I described it as best I could for now, with footnotes. Perhaps someone can explain it better, or I'll find time to do more research. Pfly ( talk) 18:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Completely and totally, but likewise Hatzic Prairie, Matsqui Prairie, Chilliwack Prairie, Kent, Pitt Meadows....Port Coquitlam was once a vast berry bog full of spawning salmon a few times of year, hence the meaning "land of stinking fish". By the way the '-am" there is the "people" suffix that you also observed, sort of, with Kwantlen - when you showed me Kwanitlum it made sense; likewise the -am on the end of Muqueam and certain others; -imc/imx, -mx, -emx, -mec are all pretty much the same word, just as it turns up in the various Salish languages; it's not the only word for "people" or "nation" though - there's uxuiumixw, temexw, -ullh/-ull/-ulh-/ul and others I wouldn't hazard to explain the differences of, and it may vary from language to language. Another area, my own turf, that's seen major change is the Stave River Valley, even speaking only of the old oxbow lake/marsh at the bottom of its canyon, 2 miles up from the Fraser where Ruskin Dam is now (my bad for no separate dam article, as I'm from there, I just keep on putting it off as i don't have the stomach for the technical details, being raised around them....technical data I'd prefer to get paid for transcribing out, though I've added some info to certain articles....which brings me back round to this one, as there'll be reports on the Vedder Canal as well as the ongoing Sumas Lake drainage project/systems, hard to say under whose aegis, i.e. whether the RD, Fisheries, BC Public Works (whatever that's called at the moment), or the Fraser Valley Dyking Commission (composed mf members from regional district boards and community representatives from affected areas, with lots of reports out there). Although the dyking system was in place, such as it was, from early on, it didn't hold up to the Fraser Great Flood of 1894 (1989?) and the Fraser Great Flood if 1948 (whatever the proper article titles might be; there's a format) - there are of course doubts about today's system, too - given the prospect of a 200-year or more flood - but it's a given in BC history that the post-war Dutch immigration which heavily settled in the Fraser Valley, and the Mennonite community likewise (many Dutch Mennonite) are to credit for the re-engineering of the Fraser dykes which have held out, more or less, until now. Talk about a disaster waiting to happen but it's not why the comments; it's because the whole Fraser Lowland has has been far more transformed than nearly anyone living in it today realizes; even in my time, but since Contact times it's boggling. One place you might find interesting, and starkly beautiful in its own way (I find the country in that area "dark") is the Pitt Polder, a few square miles of what used to be Pitt Lake, which was drained as a post-war project - ironically settled by Icelanders rather than the Dutch, who preferred the south bank of the valley, and Agassiz, likewise the certain sort of German more common on the north side of the Fraser; in my experience of the respective individuals and communities, that is (the north bank is more secular, for one thing, for all ethnic groups though the religionist element is still there); among things needed in the Lower Mainland area, just to jot the notes here and maybe migrate them later, is a writeup of the dairy and vegetable and fruit industries in the Fraser Valley, and there's yet to be an article on the Fraser fishery - a monster, for anyone wanting to tackle the topic; the fishery as practiced on the river by the three competing interest gropus (cmomercial First Nations and sport); too big for my taste but an important part of the history; likewise th background to the Vedder Canal - I think it was a WAC Bennett-instigated project and has a particular legislative history; given that area's historical right-wing voting pattern/importance as a "safe seat" probably a under the wing of the area's MLA, who was because of the aforesaid most likely a cabinet minister ("Want to get something done in your area? Vote for a government member/cabinet minister - the pork barrel in BC and Canada is so entrenched in the system that, as evinced in such politicking, it's even used for political advertising as a good thing; talk about a "wash" huh?' Anyway there's a political history here, and lots of engineering and environmental content to be done; again, in the case of nearly all rivers/prairie areas in the Lower Mainland. Sumas Lake's a fascinating story - one reason it was drained was anti-mosquito and anti-malaria policies - one of my neighbours used to have a job diong the mosquito count back in the '60s, as it's an ongiong issue....and one reason we don't have the bird populations we used to see, also....like anywhere else on this sorry planet of late, huh? In regard to Sumas, by the way, if you haven't read Louie Sam or heard the story, I recommend it as far as cross-border articles that could use collaborative improvement...likweise Whatcom Trail, which needs fixing/improvement and so on; and so and so and so on.... Skookum1 ( talk) 02:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Pretty clear this article could benefit from an illuatrative, rather than a locational map (worthwhile switches to add to the reqmap template no? Hmmm), showing the various stretches of the river's name, and also Chilliwack Creek. About which:
Gets me wondering about the complex sloughs along the Fraser, and which of them could have been considered part of the Chilliwack's subdelta within the Fraser's. BTW the Fraser Delta is designated on a highway overlook on the "Agassiz Mountain" (actually Mount Woodside, but the colloquial meaning is teh mountain road that gets you to, or is near, Agassiz) which says that the area below, Rosedale Prarie on the south and Agassiz Prairie on the north, are where the delta begins; excluding interpolary uplands that is. I think S. Holland defines Fraser Lowland as a geographic unit, not sure if he distinguishes Fraser Delta; to me that would tend to mean Lulu Island and South Delta, not upstream from it; so usages vary. The idea is that the old Chilliwack River must have hit around the maze of sloughs in that area; the end of its official course at the time of its existence may not correspond with the outlet of Chilliwack Creek....just speculating.... Skookum1 ( talk) 02:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
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