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Who put this? "The decision is currently under appeal, because the roadsigns, in violation of article 11 of the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities ( Council of Europe) did not include descriptions in Greek, which is spoken by the local Greek community. " Are you the appeals judge or what? Albania does NOT recognize them as minority, no matter how much they try to learn Greek. Adding foreign languages is not a right on municipalities, where they put roadsigns is different from this political decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keep it Fake ( talk • contribs) 02:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
When did he become 'Vasilis Bollanos,' can a Greek tell me? He is an Albanian national and found out that 'he is a Greek' only recently. That's the truth. I can claim to be Chinese but that does not make it true. —Preceding
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There is a substantial Greek community in the region, read Himara. I'm not the one to judge if something is right or wrong. We are just presenting the fact according to relevant sources. So, please calm down and provide reasonable arguments that can support your view. Alexikoua ( talk) 22:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
His name is Vasillaq Bollano, thats what he uses in his passport. If he would wanted to change his name into Vasileos Bollanos, then he would have to pay 25 thousand lek (20 euro) and thats all, the name would have been changed. But, he has chosen not to change his name, and Vasillaq Bollano, is the name he uses, even in his electoral campaign see here. Per naming convention Vasillaq Bollano should be articles name. Balkanian`s word ( talk) 13:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I admit it is really a hard point, deciding whats the right name for people of minority members in a country. But I can't see a reason, in case that he is a minority member recognized by the state he lives, why not to use the name in the person's mother-tongue version. (Although a official form is also a strong arguement)
I see many other examples that adopt my approach, like:
Someone told me laughing that with an 's' you can just change nationality. I see also that ethnic Albanians in Macedonia (like A. Xhaveri) retain their name in 'Albanian' form in wiki (Xhaveri no Dzaveri-the 'macedonian' form in latin letters).
According a uk report about the minority, with the decision no. 5339/23.9.1975 of the past regime's Albanian parliament, personal names were forcibly changed to sound more 'Albanian', (for example achileas become Aquille), something that made situation more complicated.
However, it is a good idea to change names of minorities and agree with their name stated in official papers. But what solution should we adopt when a minority has dual citizenship? something that will soon happen in case of the Greek minority (this means two passports, and two names-that can potentially sound total different each other, if the person wishes that way).
As I said you have right too, considering the arguments, we can make a long discussion and reaching a general point about the topic (the name forms of people in present and past).-- Alexikoua ( talk) 16:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
My approach was just to make thinks easier, Greek names for Greeks etc. However, because we talk about a person of the present and not of the past, the official name can stay. If something changes about the dual citizenship we'll be on alert. Alexikoua ( talk) 13:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I invite athenean to read Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page and not make any other reverts like this [1] in future. sulmues ( talk)--Sulmues 15:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Dont remove sources, diff Megistias ( talk) 17:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I've opened a case here [ [3]]. It seems that the same user initiated another another edit war after Pyrros Dimas. Alexikoua ( talk) 19:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
If Alexikoua relies on Greek blogs to find the ethnicity of Goro, he should read an article he wrote himself in Panorama some days ago [4](Alexikoua should read the sentence E ndiej si detyrim që të sqaroj se unë nuk kam asnjë lidhje me mendësinë Bollano dhe nuk jam në krizë identiteti si ai.). Goro finds it extremely offensive and a case of defamation, when people make comments about him like the one Alexikoua added. IIRC he was actually one of the people, who sued the voters that came from Greece and caused disruption back in 2003.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 19:04, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
(unindent)Also whether Greek newspapers are reliable or not at any topic at all depends on the subject, the author of the article and how scholars perceive their views i.e [8] [9] [10]-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 08:36, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Also the scenario that Bollano's supporters celebrate their defeat in front of Goros' office (which is in Himara's Alpha Bank branch) and raise the SP's flag is also difficult to believe. Alexikoua ( talk) 14:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
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Who put this? "The decision is currently under appeal, because the roadsigns, in violation of article 11 of the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities ( Council of Europe) did not include descriptions in Greek, which is spoken by the local Greek community. " Are you the appeals judge or what? Albania does NOT recognize them as minority, no matter how much they try to learn Greek. Adding foreign languages is not a right on municipalities, where they put roadsigns is different from this political decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keep it Fake ( talk • contribs) 02:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
When did he become 'Vasilis Bollanos,' can a Greek tell me? He is an Albanian national and found out that 'he is a Greek' only recently. That's the truth. I can claim to be Chinese but that does not make it true. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Keep it Fake (
talk •
contribs)
17:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
There is a substantial Greek community in the region, read Himara. I'm not the one to judge if something is right or wrong. We are just presenting the fact according to relevant sources. So, please calm down and provide reasonable arguments that can support your view. Alexikoua ( talk) 22:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
His name is Vasillaq Bollano, thats what he uses in his passport. If he would wanted to change his name into Vasileos Bollanos, then he would have to pay 25 thousand lek (20 euro) and thats all, the name would have been changed. But, he has chosen not to change his name, and Vasillaq Bollano, is the name he uses, even in his electoral campaign see here. Per naming convention Vasillaq Bollano should be articles name. Balkanian`s word ( talk) 13:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I admit it is really a hard point, deciding whats the right name for people of minority members in a country. But I can't see a reason, in case that he is a minority member recognized by the state he lives, why not to use the name in the person's mother-tongue version. (Although a official form is also a strong arguement)
I see many other examples that adopt my approach, like:
Someone told me laughing that with an 's' you can just change nationality. I see also that ethnic Albanians in Macedonia (like A. Xhaveri) retain their name in 'Albanian' form in wiki (Xhaveri no Dzaveri-the 'macedonian' form in latin letters).
According a uk report about the minority, with the decision no. 5339/23.9.1975 of the past regime's Albanian parliament, personal names were forcibly changed to sound more 'Albanian', (for example achileas become Aquille), something that made situation more complicated.
However, it is a good idea to change names of minorities and agree with their name stated in official papers. But what solution should we adopt when a minority has dual citizenship? something that will soon happen in case of the Greek minority (this means two passports, and two names-that can potentially sound total different each other, if the person wishes that way).
As I said you have right too, considering the arguments, we can make a long discussion and reaching a general point about the topic (the name forms of people in present and past).-- Alexikoua ( talk) 16:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
My approach was just to make thinks easier, Greek names for Greeks etc. However, because we talk about a person of the present and not of the past, the official name can stay. If something changes about the dual citizenship we'll be on alert. Alexikoua ( talk) 13:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I invite athenean to read Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page and not make any other reverts like this [1] in future. sulmues ( talk)--Sulmues 15:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Dont remove sources, diff Megistias ( talk) 17:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I've opened a case here [ [3]]. It seems that the same user initiated another another edit war after Pyrros Dimas. Alexikoua ( talk) 19:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
If Alexikoua relies on Greek blogs to find the ethnicity of Goro, he should read an article he wrote himself in Panorama some days ago [4](Alexikoua should read the sentence E ndiej si detyrim që të sqaroj se unë nuk kam asnjë lidhje me mendësinë Bollano dhe nuk jam në krizë identiteti si ai.). Goro finds it extremely offensive and a case of defamation, when people make comments about him like the one Alexikoua added. IIRC he was actually one of the people, who sued the voters that came from Greece and caused disruption back in 2003.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 19:04, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
(unindent)Also whether Greek newspapers are reliable or not at any topic at all depends on the subject, the author of the article and how scholars perceive their views i.e [8] [9] [10]-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 08:36, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Also the scenario that Bollano's supporters celebrate their defeat in front of Goros' office (which is in Himara's Alpha Bank branch) and raise the SP's flag is also difficult to believe. Alexikoua ( talk) 14:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
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