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The English Wikipedia (unlike Commons) allows uploads of material which is PD in the US but not the source country, so if it meets any of the criteria set out on
this template page it'll be PD "enough" for us. It'll be PD in the UK if it meets {{PD-old-70}} or {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}} (but some things PD in the UK may not be PD in the US).
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12:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)reply
I don't have access to my copies (I only have a partial run of this magazine) so I can't check for the notices, but I would be surprised if Scion didn't put a copyright notice on them. I also suspect that whoever the cover artists were, they were so obscure that it won't be possible to determine when they died.
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12:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)reply
"In early 1954, Scion were fined heavily for publishing a pornographic gangster novel. Scion's staff formed a new company named Squire, and refloated Scion under the name Scion Distributors, with Paterson continuing as editor." This is rather difficult to follow. Could it be rephrased?
There's a quick mention on page 100 of
this book; it stresses that the publishers "tried to colonize a new niche" by aiming at "juvenile readers". However, they said that the magazine, given the fact that it was only paying half what its competitors were, "never really stood a chance".
I think both these points are already covered -- I mention that Paterson's policy was aimed at younger readers, and I also mention the pay rate issue, which Stableford gets slightly wrong -- it didn't start out at half the rate.
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12:13, 12 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Thanks, but embarrassingly, I seem to have dropped the ball a little with this article. I mis-cited a sentence from Harbottle and Holland, and had to go hunting for the information again; and I failed to include a couple of bits of information from the Ashley. The only explanation I can think of is that the page numbers were the same and I got confused about which book I was looking at. Anyway, I think it's fixed now.
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As a final comment, I'd personally include the various titles in the opening sentence (like
this) but I thought it was a big enough change that I should mention it to you... Other than that, the article's looking good.
J Milburn (
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17:22, 12 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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The English Wikipedia (unlike Commons) allows uploads of material which is PD in the US but not the source country, so if it meets any of the criteria set out on
this template page it'll be PD "enough" for us. It'll be PD in the UK if it meets {{PD-old-70}} or {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}} (but some things PD in the UK may not be PD in the US).
J Milburn (
talk)
12:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)reply
I don't have access to my copies (I only have a partial run of this magazine) so I can't check for the notices, but I would be surprised if Scion didn't put a copyright notice on them. I also suspect that whoever the cover artists were, they were so obscure that it won't be possible to determine when they died.
Mike Christie (
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12:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)reply
"In early 1954, Scion were fined heavily for publishing a pornographic gangster novel. Scion's staff formed a new company named Squire, and refloated Scion under the name Scion Distributors, with Paterson continuing as editor." This is rather difficult to follow. Could it be rephrased?
There's a quick mention on page 100 of
this book; it stresses that the publishers "tried to colonize a new niche" by aiming at "juvenile readers". However, they said that the magazine, given the fact that it was only paying half what its competitors were, "never really stood a chance".
I think both these points are already covered -- I mention that Paterson's policy was aimed at younger readers, and I also mention the pay rate issue, which Stableford gets slightly wrong -- it didn't start out at half the rate.
Mike Christie (
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contribs -
library)
12:13, 12 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Thanks, but embarrassingly, I seem to have dropped the ball a little with this article. I mis-cited a sentence from Harbottle and Holland, and had to go hunting for the information again; and I failed to include a couple of bits of information from the Ashley. The only explanation I can think of is that the page numbers were the same and I got confused about which book I was looking at. Anyway, I think it's fixed now.
Mike Christie (
talk -
contribs -
library)
12:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)reply
As a final comment, I'd personally include the various titles in the opening sentence (like
this) but I thought it was a big enough change that I should mention it to you... Other than that, the article's looking good.
J Milburn (
talk)
17:22, 12 January 2015 (UTC)reply