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Look,people,this section looks like it was definately written from a strong point of view (an angry fan):
"Then somebody went and registered the name at the Patent Office, as a trade-mark.
After the girls quit from BROS Music (following the Chart Scandel in 2005, where David Brandes had bought his own CDs to lift up chart positions for Gracia and Vanilla Ninja), David Brandes systematically tried to destroy the group and the fanship. In which he did not succeed thanks to the great co-operation of fans, blocking each new attempt." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sloba ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I've completely written this. I think its fairly complete. Hedley 19:21, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
This article was on peer review from the 1st to 4th of June, 2005. The review can be seen at Wikipedia:Peer review/Vanilla Ninja/archive1. Hedley 23:54, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In about 50 minutes time this article will be on the main page. Hedley 30 June 2005 23:10 (UTC)
That band sounds like it's name is from vanilla ice's song.. GO NINJA GO NINJA GO! ::Cyberman starts to breakdance:: -- Cyberman 1 July 2005 00:03 (UTC)
I have forgotten my Wikipedia rules for editing, I apologise, but I contend that this article is by definition POV or even worse is simply an exercise to see if it can be done ie. get your article on the front page of wikipedia. By definition, because, the article appears in the year they have had the pinnacle of their careers ie. competing in the Eurovision Song Contest. Had the article been one or two or more years later I would not be writing now. Contrast this article with that of Johnny Logan who won the thing two times and see if my challenge of POV is not fair.
Cyberman is a nay nay
I'm always confused about this - Vanilla Ninja is... or Vanilla Ninja are..? I'd say 'are', because we are referring to the band members. I don't know.. If they were called Vanilla Ninjas, it would def be are.
This is an American/UK English thing (see elsewhere in Wikipedia). I think it goes like: UK say "the Team are X, Y and Z" American "the Team is X, Y and Z". Your choice.
Why did this article reach featured status despite the fact that two seemingly valid objections were left unresolved? The article still has very little info on the actual music of the band and the music video section is hogging a substantial part of the article despite being quite questionable in its interiety.
Both these things seem to me as being very easy to amend, so I'm even more surprised that they were disregarded from. Could someone explain this?
Peter Isotalo July 1, 2005 11:39 (UTC)
Hi, Whilst I personally had little knowledge of Vanilla Ninja before reading this article, and thus cannot comment on their musical aptitude, I would like to know why articles about well-known bands such as the Red Hot Chilli Peppers are seemingly overlooked for candidacy? The reason I quote the RHCP article is because it exemplifies many of the required principles of FA candidates - for example in-depth and concise, stability, citation, well-licensed images. It just seems that articles about well-known bands, individuals or entities are overlooked in favour of articles like this, even when they meet all the requirements. I for one was astonished to see the excellent Titanic article on the main page when it had been preceded by the likes of "Our Gang" and "Military History of Puerto Rico" - no disrespect is intended to the authors of these articles. Is there an offical channel where I can query this issue?
Also, I agree with Peter, there should be unanimous support for a Featured Article on the voting page before it is thrust on to the main page. Clearly this wasn't the case here,as there were at least two valid objections, and I'm somewhat dismayed. Again, I'd like to know if there's an official channel where I can query these issues? Thank you. Rdysn5 July 1, 2005 12:01 (UTC)
I like this article, it's different from the mainstream Western bands you hear about all the time. And it's a well writen article. -- LeoTheLion 1 July 2005 17:44 (UTC)
I don't see it! What does this article have to do with National Socialism? Wjbean 1 July 2005 13:33 (UTC)
This article suffers a defect. It should be made clear very early on in the article what language the girls sing in. Although the song and album titles are in English, you still need to specify clearly that they sing in English, and that these song titles aren't translations.
Paragraph 4 of section 1 finally gives this information. It's very salient info and it needs to be in the introduction, not buried in the main body. I couldn't readily determine the langauge. I had to go looking for it.
The article as it currently stands has a bunch of typos (similiar, Apparantely, inparticularly); inconsistent use of capitalization (Gothic vs. gothic); missing apostrophes (the groups first slow, soft); wording fumbles (bought many copies of were the groups; The video begun). At the very least, someone should run a spellcheck on it. (Probably not the time now, with the current flurry of edits/vandalism. But at some point.) –Hajor 1 July 2005 15:23 (UTC)
no really....PHWOAR!
Hello there, I just made a few edits to this article, but I have a few questions I'd like addressed. Mostly, I'm very curious as to where the information in this article comes from since the reference section is so poor. This article is full of information, but a lot of it is not mentioned at all in the sources. Where is it from? Páll 09:22, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
I think the intro is a little difficult to read given the inclusion of the dates of birth. I think it might be better to place them into a section later on, so that the lead paragraph flows better. violet/riga (t) 14:14, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Hajor made an edit, with the summary containing the question "what is a kohuke?". While this is quite not the right talk page for this, it is the only one I can think of (since it's the only article linking to kohuke). Basically, kohuke is a sweet made from cottage cheese (that's what a dictionary says the Estonian word kohupiim is in English). I don't know if there's an English equivalent to it or not. PeepP 22:22, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
Aug 4 2005----
According to the producers information - Kohuke is actually a cheese curd snack. Latvian producers call ir "Curd snack" http://www.piens.lv/eproducts_curdsnacks.html Estonians - "Cheese curd" http://www.tpt.ee/?structure=005&language=EN&rnd=18578
It's also popular in Lithuania. I have no information about it's popularity in countries outside Baltic states, however I would be suprised if it was completly unknown. And it's not made of cottage cheese (which is a specific form of curd. All cottage cheese is curd, but not all curd is cottage cheese). This misunderstanding comes from deficient, outdated english-estonian dictionary (it says "cottage cheese" where it should say "curd"). The most popular Latvian-English dictionary has been updated to correct this mistake - however maybe Estonian-English is not.
I really think there should be a mention about how the video for Cool Vibes actually comprised of modified footage of the video for Mindmachine by German cult-band Deine Lakaien.
check it out here: [1]-- 83.118.141.133 13:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not the place to put unproven accusations. I left the apparent accusation itself in the article since there was media attention on the matter, but added this line: "It should be noted, however, that there is currently no proof that the band members of Vanilla Ninja knew about the alleged stolen material." The addition needs to be in there because both sides of this story need to be told, and there is indeed no proof that Vanilla Ninja actually knew about the alleged stolen material; it is thought that their manager stole it after they split and produced it himself, though there is no great proof of that either as far as I can tell. Oh, and your link to the story does not work.
Either way, I cleaned it up and put the rest of proper information in the article. If anyone else finds any other verified information on the matter, feel free to add it in. -Brandon Harwell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.55.10 ( talk) 20:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Vanilla Ninja has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.
The following areas need work to meet the criteria: Lead - Comprehensiveness - Pictures - Audio - References - Discography |
Thanks for the quick evaluation that I asked for.
Lead: I've moved the final sentence to a more appropriate position; I don't think there's much I can expand upon right now, though
Comprehensiveness: Possibly, but not being in Germany or Estonia I can't really do anything on this
Pictures: "Fair use rationales"? I think the claims for fair use seem pretty reasonable
Audio: I don't think we can upload it; It's copyrighted and the only reason it's linked is because the site being linked to has permission
References: I think the references are pretty good as is; Inline citations aren't mandatory, and a lot of the references are in German so it's not a feasible option
Discography: The Estonian charts aren't archived online, and until Hitparade.ch expand a bit further I can't see them being anytime soon; Thus I can't locate the positions —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esteffect ( talk • contribs)
No, there's three. Triinu left in 2005. Esteffect 22:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
All images in this article lack fair use rationales, which are required per Wikipedia:Fair use. Most of them also lack copyright information and sources. Given that this is a featured article, this should be taken care of as soon as possible. -- Fritz S. ( Talk) 18:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- Mardus 04:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone post it there please. As the only person who gives a shit about this article, to be told that I have to use a certain style of referencing pisses me off. I don't intend to update this, and while I appreciate Mardus' efforts, quit while your ahead because this article will die through being out of date anyway.
I am no longer a regular member of Wikipedia. Thanks. Esteffect 12:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
It is not an official fanclub, nor is approved by the Ninjas. A link to its homepage and forum would be enough. No need for a section about it. It sounds more like an advertisement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.237.158.71 ( talk) 22:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
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I faintly remember discussions that they couldn't play ANY of their instruments, and that even the credits on their 2006 "Love Is War" album were fake, and both guitars and keyboards were entirely played by studio musicians. Which of all this is actually true? -andy 2.242.148.30 ( talk) 20:38, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
In the German wiki and here, the band was active until 2008. But no official breakup of the Band is known. In 2010, the played as "Vanilla Ninja". Any sources on the breakup? Saemikneu ( talk) 09:43, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
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Look,people,this section looks like it was definately written from a strong point of view (an angry fan):
"Then somebody went and registered the name at the Patent Office, as a trade-mark.
After the girls quit from BROS Music (following the Chart Scandel in 2005, where David Brandes had bought his own CDs to lift up chart positions for Gracia and Vanilla Ninja), David Brandes systematically tried to destroy the group and the fanship. In which he did not succeed thanks to the great co-operation of fans, blocking each new attempt." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sloba ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I've completely written this. I think its fairly complete. Hedley 19:21, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
This article was on peer review from the 1st to 4th of June, 2005. The review can be seen at Wikipedia:Peer review/Vanilla Ninja/archive1. Hedley 23:54, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In about 50 minutes time this article will be on the main page. Hedley 30 June 2005 23:10 (UTC)
That band sounds like it's name is from vanilla ice's song.. GO NINJA GO NINJA GO! ::Cyberman starts to breakdance:: -- Cyberman 1 July 2005 00:03 (UTC)
I have forgotten my Wikipedia rules for editing, I apologise, but I contend that this article is by definition POV or even worse is simply an exercise to see if it can be done ie. get your article on the front page of wikipedia. By definition, because, the article appears in the year they have had the pinnacle of their careers ie. competing in the Eurovision Song Contest. Had the article been one or two or more years later I would not be writing now. Contrast this article with that of Johnny Logan who won the thing two times and see if my challenge of POV is not fair.
Cyberman is a nay nay
I'm always confused about this - Vanilla Ninja is... or Vanilla Ninja are..? I'd say 'are', because we are referring to the band members. I don't know.. If they were called Vanilla Ninjas, it would def be are.
This is an American/UK English thing (see elsewhere in Wikipedia). I think it goes like: UK say "the Team are X, Y and Z" American "the Team is X, Y and Z". Your choice.
Why did this article reach featured status despite the fact that two seemingly valid objections were left unresolved? The article still has very little info on the actual music of the band and the music video section is hogging a substantial part of the article despite being quite questionable in its interiety.
Both these things seem to me as being very easy to amend, so I'm even more surprised that they were disregarded from. Could someone explain this?
Peter Isotalo July 1, 2005 11:39 (UTC)
Hi, Whilst I personally had little knowledge of Vanilla Ninja before reading this article, and thus cannot comment on their musical aptitude, I would like to know why articles about well-known bands such as the Red Hot Chilli Peppers are seemingly overlooked for candidacy? The reason I quote the RHCP article is because it exemplifies many of the required principles of FA candidates - for example in-depth and concise, stability, citation, well-licensed images. It just seems that articles about well-known bands, individuals or entities are overlooked in favour of articles like this, even when they meet all the requirements. I for one was astonished to see the excellent Titanic article on the main page when it had been preceded by the likes of "Our Gang" and "Military History of Puerto Rico" - no disrespect is intended to the authors of these articles. Is there an offical channel where I can query this issue?
Also, I agree with Peter, there should be unanimous support for a Featured Article on the voting page before it is thrust on to the main page. Clearly this wasn't the case here,as there were at least two valid objections, and I'm somewhat dismayed. Again, I'd like to know if there's an official channel where I can query these issues? Thank you. Rdysn5 July 1, 2005 12:01 (UTC)
I like this article, it's different from the mainstream Western bands you hear about all the time. And it's a well writen article. -- LeoTheLion 1 July 2005 17:44 (UTC)
I don't see it! What does this article have to do with National Socialism? Wjbean 1 July 2005 13:33 (UTC)
This article suffers a defect. It should be made clear very early on in the article what language the girls sing in. Although the song and album titles are in English, you still need to specify clearly that they sing in English, and that these song titles aren't translations.
Paragraph 4 of section 1 finally gives this information. It's very salient info and it needs to be in the introduction, not buried in the main body. I couldn't readily determine the langauge. I had to go looking for it.
The article as it currently stands has a bunch of typos (similiar, Apparantely, inparticularly); inconsistent use of capitalization (Gothic vs. gothic); missing apostrophes (the groups first slow, soft); wording fumbles (bought many copies of were the groups; The video begun). At the very least, someone should run a spellcheck on it. (Probably not the time now, with the current flurry of edits/vandalism. But at some point.) –Hajor 1 July 2005 15:23 (UTC)
no really....PHWOAR!
Hello there, I just made a few edits to this article, but I have a few questions I'd like addressed. Mostly, I'm very curious as to where the information in this article comes from since the reference section is so poor. This article is full of information, but a lot of it is not mentioned at all in the sources. Where is it from? Páll 09:22, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
I think the intro is a little difficult to read given the inclusion of the dates of birth. I think it might be better to place them into a section later on, so that the lead paragraph flows better. violet/riga (t) 14:14, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Hajor made an edit, with the summary containing the question "what is a kohuke?". While this is quite not the right talk page for this, it is the only one I can think of (since it's the only article linking to kohuke). Basically, kohuke is a sweet made from cottage cheese (that's what a dictionary says the Estonian word kohupiim is in English). I don't know if there's an English equivalent to it or not. PeepP 22:22, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
Aug 4 2005----
According to the producers information - Kohuke is actually a cheese curd snack. Latvian producers call ir "Curd snack" http://www.piens.lv/eproducts_curdsnacks.html Estonians - "Cheese curd" http://www.tpt.ee/?structure=005&language=EN&rnd=18578
It's also popular in Lithuania. I have no information about it's popularity in countries outside Baltic states, however I would be suprised if it was completly unknown. And it's not made of cottage cheese (which is a specific form of curd. All cottage cheese is curd, but not all curd is cottage cheese). This misunderstanding comes from deficient, outdated english-estonian dictionary (it says "cottage cheese" where it should say "curd"). The most popular Latvian-English dictionary has been updated to correct this mistake - however maybe Estonian-English is not.
I really think there should be a mention about how the video for Cool Vibes actually comprised of modified footage of the video for Mindmachine by German cult-band Deine Lakaien.
check it out here: [1]-- 83.118.141.133 13:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not the place to put unproven accusations. I left the apparent accusation itself in the article since there was media attention on the matter, but added this line: "It should be noted, however, that there is currently no proof that the band members of Vanilla Ninja knew about the alleged stolen material." The addition needs to be in there because both sides of this story need to be told, and there is indeed no proof that Vanilla Ninja actually knew about the alleged stolen material; it is thought that their manager stole it after they split and produced it himself, though there is no great proof of that either as far as I can tell. Oh, and your link to the story does not work.
Either way, I cleaned it up and put the rest of proper information in the article. If anyone else finds any other verified information on the matter, feel free to add it in. -Brandon Harwell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.55.10 ( talk) 20:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Vanilla Ninja has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.
The following areas need work to meet the criteria: Lead - Comprehensiveness - Pictures - Audio - References - Discography |
Thanks for the quick evaluation that I asked for.
Lead: I've moved the final sentence to a more appropriate position; I don't think there's much I can expand upon right now, though
Comprehensiveness: Possibly, but not being in Germany or Estonia I can't really do anything on this
Pictures: "Fair use rationales"? I think the claims for fair use seem pretty reasonable
Audio: I don't think we can upload it; It's copyrighted and the only reason it's linked is because the site being linked to has permission
References: I think the references are pretty good as is; Inline citations aren't mandatory, and a lot of the references are in German so it's not a feasible option
Discography: The Estonian charts aren't archived online, and until Hitparade.ch expand a bit further I can't see them being anytime soon; Thus I can't locate the positions —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esteffect ( talk • contribs)
No, there's three. Triinu left in 2005. Esteffect 22:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
All images in this article lack fair use rationales, which are required per Wikipedia:Fair use. Most of them also lack copyright information and sources. Given that this is a featured article, this should be taken care of as soon as possible. -- Fritz S. ( Talk) 18:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- Mardus 04:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone post it there please. As the only person who gives a shit about this article, to be told that I have to use a certain style of referencing pisses me off. I don't intend to update this, and while I appreciate Mardus' efforts, quit while your ahead because this article will die through being out of date anyway.
I am no longer a regular member of Wikipedia. Thanks. Esteffect 12:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
It is not an official fanclub, nor is approved by the Ninjas. A link to its homepage and forum would be enough. No need for a section about it. It sounds more like an advertisement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.237.158.71 ( talk) 22:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
Image:Kivi-v-kivilaan.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 10:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Image:Vanilla ninja-best of a.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 04:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I faintly remember discussions that they couldn't play ANY of their instruments, and that even the credits on their 2006 "Love Is War" album were fake, and both guitars and keyboards were entirely played by studio musicians. Which of all this is actually true? -andy 2.242.148.30 ( talk) 20:38, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
In the German wiki and here, the band was active until 2008. But no official breakup of the Band is known. In 2010, the played as "Vanilla Ninja". Any sources on the breakup? Saemikneu ( talk) 09:43, 8 December 2016 (UTC)