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Although I see this as a waste of time BUT, Valkyrie can mean a number of things. Just like Enterprise. -- Cat chi? 17:45, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Dragons flight 00:18, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat, having had your unilateral move undone by Wiglaf, you requested this move again stating at the top of this page that you "see this as a waste of time" — and I can only assume you mean the move request, and that you expect the move to not have consensus — yet you made the move request anyway. This is exactly what Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point is about. — Davenbelle 04:45, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
I think that it is wrong to state something which is never explicitly confirmed by the sources – but only an interpretation – as a fact in the lead sentence of the article; namely that the valkyries are dísir. The valkyrjur–dísir–nornir connection should be elaborated on in a section below the statement of facts. -- Salleman 22:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
This article says:
“ | The valkyries' purpose was to choose the most heroic of those who had died in battle and to carry them off to Valhalla where they became einherjar. | ” |
I believe this is not true. To my best knowledge, the purpose of the Valkyrjur was to choose the fighters who would die in each battle (in old-norse: "kjósa val", which means to choose casualties), not to choose among the ones who died (all menn who died in battle became einherjar). They shared this role with Odin (sometimes named "Valfaðir", father of casualties) and Týr, the one-armed wargod. I will change this when I have the original source handy. BjörnÓmarsson 09:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
They were priestesses concerned with human sacrifice in ancient Germanic culture as well, not just mythic minor deities; as has been fairly attested to by the likes of Ibn Fahdlan. "Angels of death" or really as they are translated "Choosers of the slain", is pretty much the same rendering in meaning. This shouldn't go without mention in the article. [1] Nagelfar 03:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I was browsing and came across this page and noticed that there were links to two girls' soccer teams, which seemed inappropriate. I would have said they should be linked or referenced on the disambiguation page. I shall come back to check to see if anyone makes a strong case for keeping them or whether someone who has contributed to this page has moved them or wants to keep them. Otherwise I shall move them at that point. -- Muchado 15:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I can't find any mention on this aircraft anywhere on Wikipedia. Does anyone know anything about this?
I move a section where Freyja is said to be a Valkyrie, here:
The main problem here is that none of these facts point to Freyja being a Valkyrie. Dís simply meant "lady" and it appears to have comprised all female supernatural powers, including Freyja and the Valkyries. The fact that Freyja received the slain does not make her a Valkyrie more than it makes Odin a Valkyrie.-- Berig 07:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I beileived that she married into the valkeries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.123.125.237 ( talk) 02:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
How is the word pronounced, both in the original language and in English? 91.107.128.252 ( talk) 22:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to know this as well. The proper English pronunciation though , not American. -- 59.100.51.1 ( talk) 03:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Why were these pics removed?
I think it is far superior to represent Valkyries with what scholars consider to be contemporary illustrations rather than romanticized pictures from the 19th and the 20th centuries, and I'd appreciate an explanation for their removal.-- Berig ( talk) 15:57, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
After typing this, I realized I had some images on my hard drive from previous visits that we could use. However, as it stands the only reference I have to these objects as being valkyries with me is from the displays at the National Museum of Denmark. Here are the images.
Know of any references outside of this that we could use? :bloodofox: ( talk) 16:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I've checked a bit around, and per MoS WP:LQ, we are to use logical quotation, not American quotation, which means that punctuation should be outside of a quotation if it is not in the quotation in the source. I do not have access to all the sources used here, so I will not perform any change yet, even though I did do so earlier when I put all the punctuation marks inside the quotation marks, thinking we'd be consistent in use of American grammar and spelling. I do not know if the article followed logical quotation before I went around changing it all, but if it did, I will try to restore it how it was. – Holt ( T• C) 16:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Going around all the different Norse afterlife-related pages, it seems that only this one really states that the Valkyries pick the most heroic, as opposed to some kind of arbitrary half and half selection of the dead. Do the unheroic warriors then belong to Freyja? What of warriors deliberately wounding themselves to trick the goddess Hel? Do unheroic warriors somehow also go to Hel as an alternative to both Valhalla and Fólkvangr? Can these discrepancies be attributed to the incomplete survival of texts and the destruction suffered from Christian suppression?
I can only imagine how neo-pagans must feel when trying to actually revive portions of this faith. D Boland ( talk) 19:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
The article states that there is confusion as to whether the Valkyrie was from a Norse background or "Indiginous Anglo-Saxon Pagans" however it must be remembered that the Angles and the Saxons were also of a Germanic and Scandinavian origin. The indiginous occupants of Britain were the Celts (also pagans) so even if there were Anglo-Saxon references to the Valkyrie, they could easily have still come across from Scandinavia with the previous invasions of the few hundred years after the Romans left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.255.136.194 ( talk) 10:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
I once read somewhere that the word might have stemmed from val(hall) and the greek ker (spirit). thus hall spirit as in valhala and related to greek keres as an inspirational source to thier mythos. i can't recall the source and it might just be conjecture. 98.216.6.31 ( talk) 00:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the sentence have half before among. As it is now it reads: "Selecting among half of those who die in battle (the other half go to the goddess Freyja's afterlife field Fólkvangr)" meaning a portion of half are chosen by the valkerie rather than an entire half. Instead: "Selecting half among of those who die in battle (the other half go to the goddess Freyja's afterlife field Fólkvangr) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.177.171 ( talk) 22:46, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Warnning to Valkyrie in NTNU sir, Do not talk bad-words and whisper with others! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.38.238.199 ( talk) 13:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I've separated some material on recent television characters by putting them under a new subheading, but should they be here at all? I doubt if the characters are intended to be authentic, but on the other hand they do represent some continuing interest. -- Northernhenge ( talk) 22:28, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The official Valkyre are 3 sisters, they have the same blonde hair color, they are only 3 of them.-- Svehen ( talk) 13:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
What's with all these red-marked errors on the page? SkyGuy1994 ( talk) 05:57, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
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Although I see this as a waste of time BUT, Valkyrie can mean a number of things. Just like Enterprise. -- Cat chi? 17:45, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Dragons flight 00:18, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat, having had your unilateral move undone by Wiglaf, you requested this move again stating at the top of this page that you "see this as a waste of time" — and I can only assume you mean the move request, and that you expect the move to not have consensus — yet you made the move request anyway. This is exactly what Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point is about. — Davenbelle 04:45, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
I think that it is wrong to state something which is never explicitly confirmed by the sources – but only an interpretation – as a fact in the lead sentence of the article; namely that the valkyries are dísir. The valkyrjur–dísir–nornir connection should be elaborated on in a section below the statement of facts. -- Salleman 22:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
This article says:
“ | The valkyries' purpose was to choose the most heroic of those who had died in battle and to carry them off to Valhalla where they became einherjar. | ” |
I believe this is not true. To my best knowledge, the purpose of the Valkyrjur was to choose the fighters who would die in each battle (in old-norse: "kjósa val", which means to choose casualties), not to choose among the ones who died (all menn who died in battle became einherjar). They shared this role with Odin (sometimes named "Valfaðir", father of casualties) and Týr, the one-armed wargod. I will change this when I have the original source handy. BjörnÓmarsson 09:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
They were priestesses concerned with human sacrifice in ancient Germanic culture as well, not just mythic minor deities; as has been fairly attested to by the likes of Ibn Fahdlan. "Angels of death" or really as they are translated "Choosers of the slain", is pretty much the same rendering in meaning. This shouldn't go without mention in the article. [1] Nagelfar 03:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I was browsing and came across this page and noticed that there were links to two girls' soccer teams, which seemed inappropriate. I would have said they should be linked or referenced on the disambiguation page. I shall come back to check to see if anyone makes a strong case for keeping them or whether someone who has contributed to this page has moved them or wants to keep them. Otherwise I shall move them at that point. -- Muchado 15:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I can't find any mention on this aircraft anywhere on Wikipedia. Does anyone know anything about this?
I move a section where Freyja is said to be a Valkyrie, here:
The main problem here is that none of these facts point to Freyja being a Valkyrie. Dís simply meant "lady" and it appears to have comprised all female supernatural powers, including Freyja and the Valkyries. The fact that Freyja received the slain does not make her a Valkyrie more than it makes Odin a Valkyrie.-- Berig 07:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I beileived that she married into the valkeries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.123.125.237 ( talk) 02:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
How is the word pronounced, both in the original language and in English? 91.107.128.252 ( talk) 22:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to know this as well. The proper English pronunciation though , not American. -- 59.100.51.1 ( talk) 03:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Why were these pics removed?
I think it is far superior to represent Valkyries with what scholars consider to be contemporary illustrations rather than romanticized pictures from the 19th and the 20th centuries, and I'd appreciate an explanation for their removal.-- Berig ( talk) 15:57, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
After typing this, I realized I had some images on my hard drive from previous visits that we could use. However, as it stands the only reference I have to these objects as being valkyries with me is from the displays at the National Museum of Denmark. Here are the images.
Know of any references outside of this that we could use? :bloodofox: ( talk) 16:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I've checked a bit around, and per MoS WP:LQ, we are to use logical quotation, not American quotation, which means that punctuation should be outside of a quotation if it is not in the quotation in the source. I do not have access to all the sources used here, so I will not perform any change yet, even though I did do so earlier when I put all the punctuation marks inside the quotation marks, thinking we'd be consistent in use of American grammar and spelling. I do not know if the article followed logical quotation before I went around changing it all, but if it did, I will try to restore it how it was. – Holt ( T• C) 16:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Going around all the different Norse afterlife-related pages, it seems that only this one really states that the Valkyries pick the most heroic, as opposed to some kind of arbitrary half and half selection of the dead. Do the unheroic warriors then belong to Freyja? What of warriors deliberately wounding themselves to trick the goddess Hel? Do unheroic warriors somehow also go to Hel as an alternative to both Valhalla and Fólkvangr? Can these discrepancies be attributed to the incomplete survival of texts and the destruction suffered from Christian suppression?
I can only imagine how neo-pagans must feel when trying to actually revive portions of this faith. D Boland ( talk) 19:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
The article states that there is confusion as to whether the Valkyrie was from a Norse background or "Indiginous Anglo-Saxon Pagans" however it must be remembered that the Angles and the Saxons were also of a Germanic and Scandinavian origin. The indiginous occupants of Britain were the Celts (also pagans) so even if there were Anglo-Saxon references to the Valkyrie, they could easily have still come across from Scandinavia with the previous invasions of the few hundred years after the Romans left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.255.136.194 ( talk) 10:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
I once read somewhere that the word might have stemmed from val(hall) and the greek ker (spirit). thus hall spirit as in valhala and related to greek keres as an inspirational source to thier mythos. i can't recall the source and it might just be conjecture. 98.216.6.31 ( talk) 00:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the sentence have half before among. As it is now it reads: "Selecting among half of those who die in battle (the other half go to the goddess Freyja's afterlife field Fólkvangr)" meaning a portion of half are chosen by the valkerie rather than an entire half. Instead: "Selecting half among of those who die in battle (the other half go to the goddess Freyja's afterlife field Fólkvangr) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.177.171 ( talk) 22:46, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Warnning to Valkyrie in NTNU sir, Do not talk bad-words and whisper with others! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.38.238.199 ( talk) 13:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I've separated some material on recent television characters by putting them under a new subheading, but should they be here at all? I doubt if the characters are intended to be authentic, but on the other hand they do represent some continuing interest. -- Northernhenge ( talk) 22:28, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The official Valkyre are 3 sisters, they have the same blonde hair color, they are only 3 of them.-- Svehen ( talk) 13:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
What's with all these red-marked errors on the page? SkyGuy1994 ( talk) 05:57, 24 December 2017 (UTC)