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References that to me seemed perfectly legit to me where removed today by Greyskullpowerof because stated they where "has nothing to do with subject or contains deliberately injected compromising material of fraudulent nature".
Italic text We have a strong indication that the reference you have provided deliberately injected with only one purpose to sabotage and undermine public opinion about the Subject - since you could have provided other sources with neutral content rather than the Pravda link full of obscene and Id rather say "paid" content - the summary is ok - but the redirected reader inevitably gets to read profane commentary and such left there with only one purpose I indicated above - I would suggest we deliver another reference (agreed by you and me) which is neutral - do you agree that the "has to be referred FACT could have been Referred by another Media Agency - we could use as? Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
As of this case I would suggest same solution as stated above - for the reasons explained in my commentary to removal action taken.
Kind Regards and stay tuned... Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I am sorry; but I find it hard to believe that somebody could see these sources as "compromising material of fraudulent nature". Can Greyskullpowerof explain his deletion here please? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:18, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Just because an article is critical about something does not make it "(concealed "paid" abusive content - article is based on fictional data and is being part of Anti subject political propaganda". — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Greyskullpowerof appears not to see the difference between critical journalism and slander... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:23, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Your refference is about thought of conspiracies and such and about UDAR in general - I suggest to use another source which deals with SUBJECT I am sure thers plenty of - I am not that comfortable using your reference just because of one "remarkably fit" line for the reasons a few hundred characters to the left <<<< let's decide on another source about subject and forget about this nasty attempt to use Ukrainian dirty PIT technology - Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I am glad weve come to an agreement. Sorry my aquintance with you happened to be that way. Wanna go fishing together one day? =) Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Raj. well in Ukraine it is common practice by the People who are in "slander" business to use several tricks in order to bilk out reputation from the paid to be slandered opponent - in this case it looks like PATTERN well known to be implemented by the Media Enforcers - link to an article which deals with conspiracy theories about Other Politicians in UDAR party just because thers one line about Subject in there but ALL FRAMED in a NASTY one - I am sure same in Mumbai happens Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC) +-----------------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------+ Yulia, thanks for understanding and prompt action taken - now it's quite neutral and deals with numbers only and the subject. So how about going fishing? =) Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
(I have seen this before) Because the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and Russian Tsar's where so manipulative people in Eastern Europe sooner assume "bad faith" then the average Westerner. But I am also glad to say: they are not so sensitive when it comes to personal addressing them (see above). And media in Ukraine is being accused of POV-pushing a lot (like here, further info is at: Freedom of the press in Ukraine). Although I assume that because it is critical to all The Ukrainian Week and Ukrayinska Pravda can be trusted but because the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and Russian Tsar's where so manipulative journalist in Eastern Europe sooner assume "bad faith" then the average Westerner.... I have also read some things on The Ukrainian Week that seemed to me as exorbitantly (what is called "Indirect proof" in this article looks to me as no proof at all...); Ukrayinska Pravda keeps things more basic or offers real proof when needed.
I am hoping to again go to Kyiv & Dnipropetrovsk this year... I'll update you when I have concrete plans =). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 00:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Roit indeed, anyways I will b more than glad to take you dinner or fishing ;) let me know beforehand Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 10:11, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
The biography appears to be written by the secret service itself, besides being almost completely unreferenced (except ref 11 at teh end). I put the sign up. it is also pretty extreme POV, so violating the 2 core pillars of wikipedia - the page should not stay like this for long. -- Wuerzele ( talk) 07:25, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
POV tag attached. This entry is very anti-Wikipedian, and appears to have been written by Mr. Nalyvaichenko or his strong supporters. I see zero criticism of this long-standing Ukraine politician and secret service boss. Does such a portrayal seem even remotely credible? You will be in violation of Wikipedia policy if you short-circuit talk page discussion by removing this tag. Haberstr ( talk) 21:48, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
As there have been two talk page entries about the purported POV of this article, yet no details or discussions ensued (other than general complaints and POV criticism, which I'm wary about when dealing with any WP:BLP), I don't believe that the tag should remain in place.
What I do recognise is that more WP:RS are needed in order for this bio to be encyclopaedic. Currently, the bulk of sources qualify as being WP:BIASED. This being the case, more WP:INLINE attribution is likely the most desirable method of dealing with the content. In addition, it would be greatly benefited by finding RS to supplement the content.
In light or this, I'm replacing the POV tag with a ref improve tag.
Any input from editors as to the change in tag is welcome. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 03:43, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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References that to me seemed perfectly legit to me where removed today by Greyskullpowerof because stated they where "has nothing to do with subject or contains deliberately injected compromising material of fraudulent nature".
Italic text We have a strong indication that the reference you have provided deliberately injected with only one purpose to sabotage and undermine public opinion about the Subject - since you could have provided other sources with neutral content rather than the Pravda link full of obscene and Id rather say "paid" content - the summary is ok - but the redirected reader inevitably gets to read profane commentary and such left there with only one purpose I indicated above - I would suggest we deliver another reference (agreed by you and me) which is neutral - do you agree that the "has to be referred FACT could have been Referred by another Media Agency - we could use as? Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
As of this case I would suggest same solution as stated above - for the reasons explained in my commentary to removal action taken.
Kind Regards and stay tuned... Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I am sorry; but I find it hard to believe that somebody could see these sources as "compromising material of fraudulent nature". Can Greyskullpowerof explain his deletion here please? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:18, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Just because an article is critical about something does not make it "(concealed "paid" abusive content - article is based on fictional data and is being part of Anti subject political propaganda". — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Greyskullpowerof appears not to see the difference between critical journalism and slander... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:23, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Your refference is about thought of conspiracies and such and about UDAR in general - I suggest to use another source which deals with SUBJECT I am sure thers plenty of - I am not that comfortable using your reference just because of one "remarkably fit" line for the reasons a few hundred characters to the left <<<< let's decide on another source about subject and forget about this nasty attempt to use Ukrainian dirty PIT technology - Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I am glad weve come to an agreement. Sorry my aquintance with you happened to be that way. Wanna go fishing together one day? =) Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Raj. well in Ukraine it is common practice by the People who are in "slander" business to use several tricks in order to bilk out reputation from the paid to be slandered opponent - in this case it looks like PATTERN well known to be implemented by the Media Enforcers - link to an article which deals with conspiracy theories about Other Politicians in UDAR party just because thers one line about Subject in there but ALL FRAMED in a NASTY one - I am sure same in Mumbai happens Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC) +-----------------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------+ Yulia, thanks for understanding and prompt action taken - now it's quite neutral and deals with numbers only and the subject. So how about going fishing? =) Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 00:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
(I have seen this before) Because the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and Russian Tsar's where so manipulative people in Eastern Europe sooner assume "bad faith" then the average Westerner. But I am also glad to say: they are not so sensitive when it comes to personal addressing them (see above). And media in Ukraine is being accused of POV-pushing a lot (like here, further info is at: Freedom of the press in Ukraine). Although I assume that because it is critical to all The Ukrainian Week and Ukrayinska Pravda can be trusted but because the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and Russian Tsar's where so manipulative journalist in Eastern Europe sooner assume "bad faith" then the average Westerner.... I have also read some things on The Ukrainian Week that seemed to me as exorbitantly (what is called "Indirect proof" in this article looks to me as no proof at all...); Ukrayinska Pravda keeps things more basic or offers real proof when needed.
I am hoping to again go to Kyiv & Dnipropetrovsk this year... I'll update you when I have concrete plans =). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 00:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Roit indeed, anyways I will b more than glad to take you dinner or fishing ;) let me know beforehand Greyskullpowerof ( talk) 10:11, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
The biography appears to be written by the secret service itself, besides being almost completely unreferenced (except ref 11 at teh end). I put the sign up. it is also pretty extreme POV, so violating the 2 core pillars of wikipedia - the page should not stay like this for long. -- Wuerzele ( talk) 07:25, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
POV tag attached. This entry is very anti-Wikipedian, and appears to have been written by Mr. Nalyvaichenko or his strong supporters. I see zero criticism of this long-standing Ukraine politician and secret service boss. Does such a portrayal seem even remotely credible? You will be in violation of Wikipedia policy if you short-circuit talk page discussion by removing this tag. Haberstr ( talk) 21:48, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
As there have been two talk page entries about the purported POV of this article, yet no details or discussions ensued (other than general complaints and POV criticism, which I'm wary about when dealing with any WP:BLP), I don't believe that the tag should remain in place.
What I do recognise is that more WP:RS are needed in order for this bio to be encyclopaedic. Currently, the bulk of sources qualify as being WP:BIASED. This being the case, more WP:INLINE attribution is likely the most desirable method of dealing with the content. In addition, it would be greatly benefited by finding RS to supplement the content.
In light or this, I'm replacing the POV tag with a ref improve tag.
Any input from editors as to the change in tag is welcome. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 03:43, 30 November 2014 (UTC)