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Sadly, it seems some school kids from Valencia, US California, have hijacked this article.
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I'd like to know who wrote the "economics" part of this entry. It's absolutely political! Urbanism and the destruction of Cabanyal as the main economic points of the city of Valencia in a reknown encyclopedia? Someone should prevent this from happening.
Valencia was not the last capital of the Spanish Republic. After the fall of Valencia the government moved to Barcelona and in the very last days of the war, to Figueres -- apoivre 09:40, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The language quarrel is the most absurd issue I have ever seen!! Why is it internationally accepted that Serb and Croat are different languages while Valencian and Catalan cannot be accepted as separate languages? The same holds true for Czech and Slovak. They are SEPARATE official languages and are recognized as such by the European Union. This is just another claim by the Catalan nationalists without any historical justification. It gives them the right to claim the "Catalanism" of Valencian writers just because their language is similar to the Catalan!! Can you imagine the Australian government claiming Shakespeare was Australian just because he wrote in English?? There is no person on earth that would ever support such a sensless claim but on the other hand Catalans seem to have a birthright to make unsubstantiated claims.
There is an ongoing political battle between defendors of valencian and catalan names for the language. This is often a cause for flame wars. It is important to maintain an strict neutrality to avoid constant changes. See entries for valencian language and catalan language. -- 195.212.29.163 18:21, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Nice article. Just one detail needs changing: Valencia wasn't made the Republican capital after the fall of Madrid during the Spanish Civil War. The move came in response to Franco's ultimately unsuccessful attack on Madrid in the autumn of 1936 (many thought he would take the capital, hence the move down to the coast). In fact the city didn't fall until the very end of the war in the spring of 1939.
It seems to me that once the Valencia article gets edited, it will be a fairly god article. However, the article is not complete until it talks about the city's transportation, such as the airport, subway system, etc.
It's a pitty that out of all Wikipedia, this entry has been hijacked by pro-Catalan users who use it to convey their anti-Valencian message.
Everything remotely positive about Valencia is immediately removed only to be replaced by anti-Valencian hatred, as if it were South Africa during the apartheid years. Imagine a Wikipedia in 1960 with the "USA" entry going like this: "USA is located in North America and blacks have no rights in that country".
Nevertheless, such short-sighted individuals will not alter the prosperous path in which the Region is right now. Millions of visitors keep coming back, increasing by the thousands each year. Has anyone ever wondered why Britons move to Alicante or Denia for their retirement and not to Tarragona or Girona?
This kind of reaction is entirely understandable though. Who wouldn't envy their neighbors if they were increasingly successful and a potential threat, both economically and politically? The Alicante province will be the fourth most populous of the country in 2 to 3 years, surpassing Seville. By the turn of the decade, the Valencia Region will have 2 out of the 4 most populous provinces in Spain, while the migration balance between Valencia and Catalonia is clearly in favor of the former.
Valencia's harbor surpassed Barcelona's a few years ago in total traffic and is now the largest in the Mediterranean basin. Valencia's airport increased its traffic 7 times more than Barcelona's during the first half of 2005.
Cheers from Valencia
Come and visit Europe's new trendy city (as declared by the BBC twice in 2005)
The city and the land are two separate topics. This is an invalid speedy and either a mistake or vandalism. Night Gyr 00:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Some cityscapes and panoramas would be a big asset to this article. Too many architectural shots. - Rolypolyman 02:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Why is it not permitted to add information about gay valencia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.33.175 ( talk • contribs)
Why is this article part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics? Was that a joke? Ruakh 13:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 01:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Rationale: Rationale: Currently Valencia is pointing at Valencia (disambiguation), considering that the Spanish town is the most known geographical entity, I believe the wikipedia entry "Valencia" should reflect this. E Asterion u talking to me? 13:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks, Bolivian Unicyclist 19:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello everyone, there is a current need to help disambiguate the term Valencia. At Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links, Valencia is one of the disambiguation pages with the most links, and ideally there should be no links to disambiguation pages. So if possible, please take a look at the links, and disambiguate to a more correct location. Thanks, -- Jeff3000 03:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Should we use italic when using words in Spanish? That is the general convention, but since it is not done here, I hesitate to start. Your thoughts? Paul, in Saudi 13:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was move to Valencia, Spain.-- Hús ö nd 21:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Valencia (city in Spain) → Valencia (Spain) — No need for the "city in". Hús ö nd 02:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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Comment I think there's a consensus here. However, Valencia, Spain might be more adequate than Valencia (Spain), as per Vegaswikian and Valenciano. If there are no objections I shall move the article to Valencia, Spain then.-- Hús ö nd 18:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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please, i cant change it because the spam detector blocks the page. This two lines goes at the beginning, just before the "native name"
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caption = Sciences museum in [[Ciutat de les Arts i les Ciències|Ciudad de las artes y las ciencias]]| — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.53.1.243 ( talk) 04:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
This needs some citation. There's NONE whatsoever, and if this article is going to have any value, it needs to cite its soruces.
A side note: The prose for history seems a little messy and out of order. It would be nice if someone could clean that up a little. Jeri-kun 18:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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A huge rewrite occurred which introduced a travelogue version of the article replacing valid content. I've reverted back to a version that reads like an encyclopedia article
-- Whpq ( talk) 20:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't know who put the numbers for the city proper and met area population, but they were OBVIOUSLY wrong. If you look at the Spanish version, it gives the real numbers, based on official 2007 statistics. I have put these numbers with a reference to INE [10]. David ( talk) 15:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The level of POV in this article is incredible... I don't understand how all this happened. Valencia is Spain's first port? and what do we do about Port of Algeciras and Barcelona? First the population, then the port... what else? may be Valencia is Spain's capital and we didn't notice... David ( talk) 14:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Actualmente es el puerto español con mayor volumen de mercancias. Por favor, comprueba los datos antes de editar la wiki: http://www.valenciaport.com/cultures/es-ES/
Growth in container traffic at Valenciaport compared to other western Mediterranean ports
Valenciaport is the leading commercial port on the western Mediterranean coast in terms of containerised cargo volumes. Throughout 2003, over 34.96 million tons went through the ports of Valencia, Sagunto and Gandía, 6.53% more than in 2002. These figures consolidate Valenciaport’s leadership.
Valenciaport ranks first in Spain in terms of container traffic apart from being among the top ten European ports and top fifty world ports in container handling.
Container carrier docking
The Port of Valencia also handles regular passenger traffic to and from the Balearic Islands and Italy and also has an emerging cruise ship market which, in 2003, recorded 69 port calls and 58,220 passengers.
In order to support this level of activity, Valenciaport has modern facilities equipped with competitive services covering a total area of approximately 600 ha. with over 12,000 linear metres of quayside, of which 4,000 metres have water depths of 14 metres or more.
All of this means that Valenciaport plays a highly relevant role in the economic development of its area of influence. It is estimated that Valenciaport provides direct or indirect employment for over 15,000 people and generates business worth over 1.1 billion euros.
-- 84.126.8.106 ( talk) 14:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
The 'name' section in the article is completely wrong. It is said that the city was named 'after Emperor Valens, who ordered the foundation of a new colony in Hispania', but Valens lived in the 4th century AD, more than 5 centuries later after the actual foundation of Valentia. This is almost correctly explained in the 'history' section where it appears the real history, that Valencia was founded in 137 BC, during the roman republic. It was really in 138 BC, as it appears correctly here: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonia_Valentia_Edetanorum The name 'Valentia' actually comes from the roman practice of recognizing the 'courage' (this is what 'valentia' means in latin) of former roman soldiers after a war. The roman historian Tito Livio explains that the foundation of Valentia in the 2nd century BC was due to the settling of the roman soldiers who fought against iberian local rebel Viriatus. This is found in many places, for exemple here: http://www.levante-emv.com/secciones/noticia.jsp?pRef=3688_12_356702__Comarcas-fundadores-Valencia-siglo-eran-soldados-lucharon-contra-Viriato
So the real name comes from a signal of recognition to former roman soldiers as a prize for their loyalty and courage (valentia), not for emperor Valens, who lived 5 hundred years later!
-paquito xocolatero — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.201.96.130 ( talk) 08:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
PD: about the v/b pronounciation: the 'v' is correctly pronounced (different from 'b') all over the valencian dialect/language area, excepting in the 'apitxat' dialect spoken in the Valencia city area, where it is pronounced [baˈlensia]. It is pronounced [vaˈɫɛnsia] in most of the Valencian Community, and this is also the standard of the official valencian dialect of catalan as set in the 'rules of Castelló' adopted by the Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua. The use of 'v' is also a recommendation from Corominas and the IEC. So the article is fully correct now about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.201.96.130 ( talk) 08:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
The latest edit is mine, Dsnow75 [[User Talk: Dsnow75|Talk]] ( talk) 00:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
To the mindless pro-Catalan hijacking this entry:
1. I don't understand your insisting on the LRAU and the Cabanyal. As far as the LRAU is concerned, as of today, there has been no official sentence from the European Union. I ignore what happens in your country, but in the European Union, one is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way round. As for the Cabanyal, the Supreme justice has approved the local government actions and deemed them LEGAL.
2. Your comment about north africans is a clear example of your radical, racist mentality.
3. No matter what you write, Valencia is on an ascending path while Barcelona is steadily declining, in a way similar to the Basque Country, where radicals and extremists alienated businessmen and foreing investors. If you bother reading the European Union's comment on the proposed Catalan statutes, their criticism is not focused on whether they can call themselves a nation, but rather on the Soviet-style, communistlike economy where every sector (telecom, industry, media, airports, ports, motorways) is controled by a powerful and totalitarian Generalitat. In fact, the most disturbing aspect of the proposed Catalan statutes is the virtual elimination of the market economy and private enterprise.
4. Come to Altea and watch the thousands of British retirees that come and permanently live in the Valencia Community.
Someone nickNamed JOANOT MARTORELL shouldn't be allowed to speak/ write/ argue about Valencia, even if he is a Valencian Citizen. He is clearly a suporter of a minoritarial belief of valencia being an independant country (same as the comunity of cataluña... anyone can search JOANOT MARTORELL and know that he is the author of TIRANT LO BLANC a novel comonly used by independentist fanatists. nothing more to say... i've read already too much about this person nicked named JOANOT and it is quite infuriating as his points of view are absolutely inexact or manipulated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.3.60.140 ( talk) 14:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
-Joanot Martorell is simply the author of Tirant lo Blanc, a Spanish classic written in catalan language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.15.243.94 ( talk) 20:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the "Valencia skyline" picture next to the "Culture" section and I noticed there is an observation tower in the background, between the buildings. As far as I know, there is no such tower in Valencia and it really looks like someone photoshoped a picture of the Seattle Space Needle on the photo. I believe this is totally inaccurate and the picture should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.71.33.37 ( talk) 14:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I looked this up on a whim, but it turns out evidence is lacking that Valencia orange refers to Valencia, Spain. The article on the Valencia orange makes no mention of Valencia, Spain, and an article by the University of Florida also calls into question the Spanish origin:
Another page talks of the origins:
An even more interesting hypothesis:
I know this isn't going to win me any friends, but I thought it was interesting because it points out that the obvious isn't true. Malandi 18:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Seeing that the [v] has returned in the IPA transcription of the pronunciation of the name of the city in Castilian, I am curious to ask: Do Valencians really distinguish between the /b/ and the /v/ when speaking Castilian? Let’s settle this matter once and for all.
As a non-Spaniard who has spent some time in Valencia and considers it one of my favorite cities, I am saddened by the poor quality of this article. The economy section is pure politics. There is no mention of the university, the vibrant nightlife, the art museums, the covered market, El Carmen, the Turia gardens etc. And Valencia FC is more than a "reasonably successful team"! On the plus side, the pictures in the gallery are lovely. But the text needs to be neutralised and expanded. There are some great city pages on Wikipedia, but this is not one of them! Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness, so I added some information about climate (in leading paragraph), architecture, museums, parks and gardens, and nightlife (in culture). I still think there needs to be a lot of work.
As yet another visitor to Valencia, and someone who fell in love with this city, I must adhere to the above mentioned comments. This article really needs to be cleaned up and expanded to be worthy of such a wonderful city. It's far too short and unprecise in my opinion. Although I can understand that the Catalonian vs. Valencian politics makes this article very 'hot', that is no justification of the general quality of the article, is it? the--dud 00:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have changed the importance of the city in the template of Wikiproject Cities from Mid. to High, because Valencia has more than 700.000 inhabitants and it is also a provincial capital. -- Byblios ( talk) 10:44, 3 March 2012 (UTC)Byblios
The article was recently moved to Valencia because of this discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm not an expert, but it seems unlikely that the modern pronunciation derived from the Arabic, 'Balansiyya'. Valentia would have changed to Valencia/València through totally regular sound-changes, not needing to go through 'Balansiyya' at all, which require odd changes. If someone knows better, feel free to revert! Wee Jimmy ( talk) 13:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Here are the official climate normals for the period of 1981-2010 http://www.aemet.es/es/serviciosclimaticos/datosclimatologicos/valoresclimatologicos?l=8416&k=val The User HardstyleGB is changing them to 2001-2010 normals without source. 10 years is also a too short time period imo. -- Guajara3718 ( talk) 20:16, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- M2545 ( talk) 12:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this section way, way too long?
-- Bcnviajero 19:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
@ Talskubilos: and @ Redtitan:. Good news! I've just found the official climatic maps of Iberia and Macaronesia created by AEMET (with cooperation from IPMA). Here they are: Iberian Climate Atlas/ Macaronesian Climate Atlas
So yes, Valencia falls between the categorization of Csa and BSk. Kind regards! -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 00:16, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Going by the stats in the climate box, it's actually a semi-arid climate (Koppen BSh). The precipitation threshold is increased because it gets more than 30% of its precipitation during the high-sun months (April-September); giving (18.3*20)+140= 506mm required for it to be a Csa Mediterranean climate. Walshie79 ( talk) 22:55, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
@ Talskubilos: please stop doing bad edits on this article. You are removing a trustworthy and authoritative source of Köppen climate classification to put an untrustworthy and not authoritative source like "climate-data.org" which is a fan based climate website? Are you trolling? If you want, I can add an official AEMET report where it states that the climate of the city of Valencia is Csa. AEMET is the official meteorology agency of the Spanish government. What kind of trustworhy has climate-data? 0. It doesn't even show from where they get their data. It's totally untrue. And something more, influenced by the UHI? If the official climate chart shows you 18.4 ºC you can't say "it's influenced by the UHI" and downgrade it to BSk, which is for climates with mean averages under 18 ºC, something which doesn't happen on Valencia. And the climate station of Valencia, anyways, is located outside from the city center and outside from the Urban heat area. -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 15:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Here you have 3 trustworthy and authoritative sources which say that the climate of the city of Valencia is mediterranean Csa. [2] [3] [4] 2 of those sources are the most authoritative and useful which you can find on the whole internet for the climate of the city of Valencia. I've seeked information about "climate-data.org" and they don't even mentione the source of their averages/climate info and even they don't mentione where are their climate stations, obviously because it's all invented. You can't superimpose a fan based website as a source above the climate guide of Köppen climate classification and the official atlas of the climate of Spain maded by AEMET. Thanks -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 16:03, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello @ Redtitan:, I was calling inaccurate this map [5] which was maded in 2001, not your map. :) If your map is that one from the right of this page (Map 1) I would like to say that all of the zone nearby Almería- Las Palmas (practically a bit more than the half of the southeastern zone of Spain which are represented as BWk climates in the Map 2) have totally BWh climates, with averages of 18-19 ºC and even points close to 19.5 ºC like Cabo de Gata, in fact the city of Almería has an annual average of 19.1 ºC, making it the 4th warmest city in Spain (3rd is Seville, 2nd is Santa Cruz de Tenerife, 1st is Las Palmas). Tabernas Desert instead has a BWk climate. Yes, there is another zone with BWk climate, the Bardenas Reales, which slightly enter the BWk climate zone as it's slightly more arid than it's surrounding areas, which are all BSk. Ibiza and Formentera are also totally BSh climates, as both surpass an annual average of 18 ºC. And with those small editions, the map would be totally accurate. I mentioned you some cities, most of them have climate charts with the official averages of AEMET where you can consult all of this. There is a pdf which uses official AEMET data with 1961-1990 precipitations in some zones of Spain [6] Cabo de Gata registers an average of 156mm (seek in the PDF for "Cabo de Gata" and the 3rd coincidence will show you this. 1971-2000 average of the Almería Airport has an average of 18.7 ºC. [7]
There is a small zone in the levant of Spain which has a BSh climate, Cullera in the Valencian Community for example. That's good. But, in the map the zone of Tavernes de la Valldigna which was mentioned before, enters into the BSh zone, and it's a totally Csa climate. I would like to add that Valencia and nearby zones like Alboraya and Catarroja have climates with averages above 18 ºC, and they're Csa climates (because they receive a slightly higher precipitation than the categorization of semi-arid climate, they're not BSk (anyways also for their temperatures would be BSh, the meteorological station of Valencia is located outside the downtown, the Urban Heat Island doesn't affect the climate station of Valencia. Obviously it's placed by AEMET and it's not an amateur station or something like that placed between buildings, it's placed in the ground surrounded by grass, in fact if I don't remember bad, AEMET uses the same requeriments as the NOAA, or very similar to it. From Manises and Torrent to the interior they are really BSk climates. In addition, Sierra Calderona which is northern of Valencia has also a Csa climate, but Sagunto for example it has a BSk climate. Regards -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 23:40, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Redtitan: Here you have the standard average climate values for every province capital from Spain (Spain has autonomous communities which have provinces inside them). Here it is the official AEMET data for the period 1981-2010 within the AEMET official website. [8] In addition, the zone nearby Almería or Las Palmas, Cabo de Gata and Las Palmas Airport it's also BWh, here you have the source [9] which represents the data from AEMET of the airport in the period 1971-2000.
I've referenced you the page in English, it will appear an interactive map where you can choose any region you want and after you select it it will appear a list of the available cities and meteorological stations, when you press one it will appear the standard averages. Here is the one from the airport of Ibiza, as you can see the average surpasses 18ºC putting it inside the hot semi-arid zone. [10] Here you have the one from the island of Menorca, which is a typical Csa mediterranean climate. [11]
The most important is nearby the city of Valencia. which has a Csa climate and also surpasses the annual average of 18ºC by 0.4 degrees, authomatically placing it under the hot semi-arid zone instead of the BSk cold one. You can prove it here. [12] And also here you have the official data of Almería, as I said before it's an hot desert climate not just for the temperatures, also for it's amount of rain and rain patterns. As you can check it, it has an annual average of 19.1ºC placing it quite warmer than the categorization of BSk, as it's entire surrounding zones (above you have the data for the airport in the period 1971-2000 which had an average of 18.7ºC). [13]
Anyways, you can check anything you want in the source which I've mentioned before, it will appear an interactive map of Spain and you can select any region do you want and check the data. [14]
I forgot to say that the other zone with a cold desert climate which you mentione on the north of Spain is Bardenas Reales, located in the province of Navarra. As you can check on the Wikipedia page of Bardenas Reales it's a total arid land with badlands, but also with arid terrain and the lack of vegetation. Regards! -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 16:45, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Redtitan: hey Redtitan! In addition to all what I've said before, I think that I found Pandora's Box! Here you have the complete climate atlas of Spain and Portugal by AEMET and IPMA which it's translated in both Portuguese and English languages. Here it is: [15] [16] Every page is in the 3 languages. You have complete climate maps. If you seek "Almería" (CTRL+F with any PDF reader) you will find that it appears both zones with BWk and BWh climates in Spain, not just on Almería, but also on Murcia and Alicante. It has the averages of 1971-2000, which are slightly lower than the actual ones (1981-2010) in all the regions, but, if you want to comprove something in the actual averages just seek it here [17] which is the same source that I've put you before which shows the interactive map of Spain and all the meteorological stations from AEMET from all Spanish provinces. And of course it's in English language. As you can see, coastal southern Almería and Las Palmas have totally BWh climates, being the only hot desert climates in Europe.
Doing the precipitation threshold of the Köppen climate classification on desertic climates, Almería and Las Palmas both receive less than 30% of the precipitation in the high-sun half of the year (it specifically receives 50mm from the average of 200mm, so it's a 25%). Doing the proper calculations according to that climate categorization, the average is 19.1 ºC which is multiplied by 20 and then it's divided by 2. The result is exactly 191, which places it 9mm under the threshold of 200mm. As it surpasses the BWh categorization with 1.1 ºC, it's the only hot desert climate for any European cities. I hope you will edit is as soon as you can in the Map 1, with this your map is gonna be very very realistic. Kind regards! -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 22:09, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello @ Redtitan:, I'm really sorry to hear that. Besides, in the climate atlas of both Spain and Portugal maded by AEMET, I just noticed that it appears an official map made by themselves. [18] [19] Can you please tell me how to upload images to Wikipedia? I just want to add this official AEMET map to the article Climate of Spain and in other pages. Effectively, from the city of Valencia until the north of Calpe, all of that zone has a Csa climate on the map. As some zones from Almería and Las Palmashave BWh and a few BWk climates. Kind regards! -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 23:58, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Summers are hot, not merely warm to hot. Jim Michael ( talk) 08:13, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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Sadly, it seems some school kids from Valencia, US California, have hijacked this article.
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I'd like to know who wrote the "economics" part of this entry. It's absolutely political! Urbanism and the destruction of Cabanyal as the main economic points of the city of Valencia in a reknown encyclopedia? Someone should prevent this from happening.
Valencia was not the last capital of the Spanish Republic. After the fall of Valencia the government moved to Barcelona and in the very last days of the war, to Figueres -- apoivre 09:40, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The language quarrel is the most absurd issue I have ever seen!! Why is it internationally accepted that Serb and Croat are different languages while Valencian and Catalan cannot be accepted as separate languages? The same holds true for Czech and Slovak. They are SEPARATE official languages and are recognized as such by the European Union. This is just another claim by the Catalan nationalists without any historical justification. It gives them the right to claim the "Catalanism" of Valencian writers just because their language is similar to the Catalan!! Can you imagine the Australian government claiming Shakespeare was Australian just because he wrote in English?? There is no person on earth that would ever support such a sensless claim but on the other hand Catalans seem to have a birthright to make unsubstantiated claims.
There is an ongoing political battle between defendors of valencian and catalan names for the language. This is often a cause for flame wars. It is important to maintain an strict neutrality to avoid constant changes. See entries for valencian language and catalan language. -- 195.212.29.163 18:21, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Nice article. Just one detail needs changing: Valencia wasn't made the Republican capital after the fall of Madrid during the Spanish Civil War. The move came in response to Franco's ultimately unsuccessful attack on Madrid in the autumn of 1936 (many thought he would take the capital, hence the move down to the coast). In fact the city didn't fall until the very end of the war in the spring of 1939.
It seems to me that once the Valencia article gets edited, it will be a fairly god article. However, the article is not complete until it talks about the city's transportation, such as the airport, subway system, etc.
It's a pitty that out of all Wikipedia, this entry has been hijacked by pro-Catalan users who use it to convey their anti-Valencian message.
Everything remotely positive about Valencia is immediately removed only to be replaced by anti-Valencian hatred, as if it were South Africa during the apartheid years. Imagine a Wikipedia in 1960 with the "USA" entry going like this: "USA is located in North America and blacks have no rights in that country".
Nevertheless, such short-sighted individuals will not alter the prosperous path in which the Region is right now. Millions of visitors keep coming back, increasing by the thousands each year. Has anyone ever wondered why Britons move to Alicante or Denia for their retirement and not to Tarragona or Girona?
This kind of reaction is entirely understandable though. Who wouldn't envy their neighbors if they were increasingly successful and a potential threat, both economically and politically? The Alicante province will be the fourth most populous of the country in 2 to 3 years, surpassing Seville. By the turn of the decade, the Valencia Region will have 2 out of the 4 most populous provinces in Spain, while the migration balance between Valencia and Catalonia is clearly in favor of the former.
Valencia's harbor surpassed Barcelona's a few years ago in total traffic and is now the largest in the Mediterranean basin. Valencia's airport increased its traffic 7 times more than Barcelona's during the first half of 2005.
Cheers from Valencia
Come and visit Europe's new trendy city (as declared by the BBC twice in 2005)
The city and the land are two separate topics. This is an invalid speedy and either a mistake or vandalism. Night Gyr 00:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Some cityscapes and panoramas would be a big asset to this article. Too many architectural shots. - Rolypolyman 02:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Why is it not permitted to add information about gay valencia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.33.175 ( talk • contribs)
Why is this article part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics? Was that a joke? Ruakh 13:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 01:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Rationale: Rationale: Currently Valencia is pointing at Valencia (disambiguation), considering that the Spanish town is the most known geographical entity, I believe the wikipedia entry "Valencia" should reflect this. E Asterion u talking to me? 13:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks, Bolivian Unicyclist 19:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello everyone, there is a current need to help disambiguate the term Valencia. At Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links, Valencia is one of the disambiguation pages with the most links, and ideally there should be no links to disambiguation pages. So if possible, please take a look at the links, and disambiguate to a more correct location. Thanks, -- Jeff3000 03:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Should we use italic when using words in Spanish? That is the general convention, but since it is not done here, I hesitate to start. Your thoughts? Paul, in Saudi 13:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was move to Valencia, Spain.-- Hús ö nd 21:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Valencia (city in Spain) → Valencia (Spain) — No need for the "city in". Hús ö nd 02:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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Comment I think there's a consensus here. However, Valencia, Spain might be more adequate than Valencia (Spain), as per Vegaswikian and Valenciano. If there are no objections I shall move the article to Valencia, Spain then.-- Hús ö nd 18:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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please, i cant change it because the spam detector blocks the page. This two lines goes at the beginning, just before the "native name"
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caption = Sciences museum in [[Ciutat de les Arts i les Ciències|Ciudad de las artes y las ciencias]]| — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.53.1.243 ( talk) 04:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
This needs some citation. There's NONE whatsoever, and if this article is going to have any value, it needs to cite its soruces.
A side note: The prose for history seems a little messy and out of order. It would be nice if someone could clean that up a little. Jeri-kun 18:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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A huge rewrite occurred which introduced a travelogue version of the article replacing valid content. I've reverted back to a version that reads like an encyclopedia article
-- Whpq ( talk) 20:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't know who put the numbers for the city proper and met area population, but they were OBVIOUSLY wrong. If you look at the Spanish version, it gives the real numbers, based on official 2007 statistics. I have put these numbers with a reference to INE [10]. David ( talk) 15:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The level of POV in this article is incredible... I don't understand how all this happened. Valencia is Spain's first port? and what do we do about Port of Algeciras and Barcelona? First the population, then the port... what else? may be Valencia is Spain's capital and we didn't notice... David ( talk) 14:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Actualmente es el puerto español con mayor volumen de mercancias. Por favor, comprueba los datos antes de editar la wiki: http://www.valenciaport.com/cultures/es-ES/
Growth in container traffic at Valenciaport compared to other western Mediterranean ports
Valenciaport is the leading commercial port on the western Mediterranean coast in terms of containerised cargo volumes. Throughout 2003, over 34.96 million tons went through the ports of Valencia, Sagunto and Gandía, 6.53% more than in 2002. These figures consolidate Valenciaport’s leadership.
Valenciaport ranks first in Spain in terms of container traffic apart from being among the top ten European ports and top fifty world ports in container handling.
Container carrier docking
The Port of Valencia also handles regular passenger traffic to and from the Balearic Islands and Italy and also has an emerging cruise ship market which, in 2003, recorded 69 port calls and 58,220 passengers.
In order to support this level of activity, Valenciaport has modern facilities equipped with competitive services covering a total area of approximately 600 ha. with over 12,000 linear metres of quayside, of which 4,000 metres have water depths of 14 metres or more.
All of this means that Valenciaport plays a highly relevant role in the economic development of its area of influence. It is estimated that Valenciaport provides direct or indirect employment for over 15,000 people and generates business worth over 1.1 billion euros.
-- 84.126.8.106 ( talk) 14:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
The 'name' section in the article is completely wrong. It is said that the city was named 'after Emperor Valens, who ordered the foundation of a new colony in Hispania', but Valens lived in the 4th century AD, more than 5 centuries later after the actual foundation of Valentia. This is almost correctly explained in the 'history' section where it appears the real history, that Valencia was founded in 137 BC, during the roman republic. It was really in 138 BC, as it appears correctly here: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonia_Valentia_Edetanorum The name 'Valentia' actually comes from the roman practice of recognizing the 'courage' (this is what 'valentia' means in latin) of former roman soldiers after a war. The roman historian Tito Livio explains that the foundation of Valentia in the 2nd century BC was due to the settling of the roman soldiers who fought against iberian local rebel Viriatus. This is found in many places, for exemple here: http://www.levante-emv.com/secciones/noticia.jsp?pRef=3688_12_356702__Comarcas-fundadores-Valencia-siglo-eran-soldados-lucharon-contra-Viriato
So the real name comes from a signal of recognition to former roman soldiers as a prize for their loyalty and courage (valentia), not for emperor Valens, who lived 5 hundred years later!
-paquito xocolatero — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.201.96.130 ( talk) 08:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
PD: about the v/b pronounciation: the 'v' is correctly pronounced (different from 'b') all over the valencian dialect/language area, excepting in the 'apitxat' dialect spoken in the Valencia city area, where it is pronounced [baˈlensia]. It is pronounced [vaˈɫɛnsia] in most of the Valencian Community, and this is also the standard of the official valencian dialect of catalan as set in the 'rules of Castelló' adopted by the Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua. The use of 'v' is also a recommendation from Corominas and the IEC. So the article is fully correct now about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.201.96.130 ( talk) 08:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
The latest edit is mine, Dsnow75 [[User Talk: Dsnow75|Talk]] ( talk) 00:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
To the mindless pro-Catalan hijacking this entry:
1. I don't understand your insisting on the LRAU and the Cabanyal. As far as the LRAU is concerned, as of today, there has been no official sentence from the European Union. I ignore what happens in your country, but in the European Union, one is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way round. As for the Cabanyal, the Supreme justice has approved the local government actions and deemed them LEGAL.
2. Your comment about north africans is a clear example of your radical, racist mentality.
3. No matter what you write, Valencia is on an ascending path while Barcelona is steadily declining, in a way similar to the Basque Country, where radicals and extremists alienated businessmen and foreing investors. If you bother reading the European Union's comment on the proposed Catalan statutes, their criticism is not focused on whether they can call themselves a nation, but rather on the Soviet-style, communistlike economy where every sector (telecom, industry, media, airports, ports, motorways) is controled by a powerful and totalitarian Generalitat. In fact, the most disturbing aspect of the proposed Catalan statutes is the virtual elimination of the market economy and private enterprise.
4. Come to Altea and watch the thousands of British retirees that come and permanently live in the Valencia Community.
Someone nickNamed JOANOT MARTORELL shouldn't be allowed to speak/ write/ argue about Valencia, even if he is a Valencian Citizen. He is clearly a suporter of a minoritarial belief of valencia being an independant country (same as the comunity of cataluña... anyone can search JOANOT MARTORELL and know that he is the author of TIRANT LO BLANC a novel comonly used by independentist fanatists. nothing more to say... i've read already too much about this person nicked named JOANOT and it is quite infuriating as his points of view are absolutely inexact or manipulated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.3.60.140 ( talk) 14:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
-Joanot Martorell is simply the author of Tirant lo Blanc, a Spanish classic written in catalan language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.15.243.94 ( talk) 20:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the "Valencia skyline" picture next to the "Culture" section and I noticed there is an observation tower in the background, between the buildings. As far as I know, there is no such tower in Valencia and it really looks like someone photoshoped a picture of the Seattle Space Needle on the photo. I believe this is totally inaccurate and the picture should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.71.33.37 ( talk) 14:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I looked this up on a whim, but it turns out evidence is lacking that Valencia orange refers to Valencia, Spain. The article on the Valencia orange makes no mention of Valencia, Spain, and an article by the University of Florida also calls into question the Spanish origin:
Another page talks of the origins:
An even more interesting hypothesis:
I know this isn't going to win me any friends, but I thought it was interesting because it points out that the obvious isn't true. Malandi 18:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Seeing that the [v] has returned in the IPA transcription of the pronunciation of the name of the city in Castilian, I am curious to ask: Do Valencians really distinguish between the /b/ and the /v/ when speaking Castilian? Let’s settle this matter once and for all.
As a non-Spaniard who has spent some time in Valencia and considers it one of my favorite cities, I am saddened by the poor quality of this article. The economy section is pure politics. There is no mention of the university, the vibrant nightlife, the art museums, the covered market, El Carmen, the Turia gardens etc. And Valencia FC is more than a "reasonably successful team"! On the plus side, the pictures in the gallery are lovely. But the text needs to be neutralised and expanded. There are some great city pages on Wikipedia, but this is not one of them! Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness, so I added some information about climate (in leading paragraph), architecture, museums, parks and gardens, and nightlife (in culture). I still think there needs to be a lot of work.
As yet another visitor to Valencia, and someone who fell in love with this city, I must adhere to the above mentioned comments. This article really needs to be cleaned up and expanded to be worthy of such a wonderful city. It's far too short and unprecise in my opinion. Although I can understand that the Catalonian vs. Valencian politics makes this article very 'hot', that is no justification of the general quality of the article, is it? the--dud 00:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have changed the importance of the city in the template of Wikiproject Cities from Mid. to High, because Valencia has more than 700.000 inhabitants and it is also a provincial capital. -- Byblios ( talk) 10:44, 3 March 2012 (UTC)Byblios
The article was recently moved to Valencia because of this discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm not an expert, but it seems unlikely that the modern pronunciation derived from the Arabic, 'Balansiyya'. Valentia would have changed to Valencia/València through totally regular sound-changes, not needing to go through 'Balansiyya' at all, which require odd changes. If someone knows better, feel free to revert! Wee Jimmy ( talk) 13:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Here are the official climate normals for the period of 1981-2010 http://www.aemet.es/es/serviciosclimaticos/datosclimatologicos/valoresclimatologicos?l=8416&k=val The User HardstyleGB is changing them to 2001-2010 normals without source. 10 years is also a too short time period imo. -- Guajara3718 ( talk) 20:16, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- M2545 ( talk) 12:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this section way, way too long?
-- Bcnviajero 19:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
@ Talskubilos: and @ Redtitan:. Good news! I've just found the official climatic maps of Iberia and Macaronesia created by AEMET (with cooperation from IPMA). Here they are: Iberian Climate Atlas/ Macaronesian Climate Atlas
So yes, Valencia falls between the categorization of Csa and BSk. Kind regards! -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 00:16, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Going by the stats in the climate box, it's actually a semi-arid climate (Koppen BSh). The precipitation threshold is increased because it gets more than 30% of its precipitation during the high-sun months (April-September); giving (18.3*20)+140= 506mm required for it to be a Csa Mediterranean climate. Walshie79 ( talk) 22:55, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
@ Talskubilos: please stop doing bad edits on this article. You are removing a trustworthy and authoritative source of Köppen climate classification to put an untrustworthy and not authoritative source like "climate-data.org" which is a fan based climate website? Are you trolling? If you want, I can add an official AEMET report where it states that the climate of the city of Valencia is Csa. AEMET is the official meteorology agency of the Spanish government. What kind of trustworhy has climate-data? 0. It doesn't even show from where they get their data. It's totally untrue. And something more, influenced by the UHI? If the official climate chart shows you 18.4 ºC you can't say "it's influenced by the UHI" and downgrade it to BSk, which is for climates with mean averages under 18 ºC, something which doesn't happen on Valencia. And the climate station of Valencia, anyways, is located outside from the city center and outside from the Urban heat area. -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 15:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Here you have 3 trustworthy and authoritative sources which say that the climate of the city of Valencia is mediterranean Csa. [2] [3] [4] 2 of those sources are the most authoritative and useful which you can find on the whole internet for the climate of the city of Valencia. I've seeked information about "climate-data.org" and they don't even mentione the source of their averages/climate info and even they don't mentione where are their climate stations, obviously because it's all invented. You can't superimpose a fan based website as a source above the climate guide of Köppen climate classification and the official atlas of the climate of Spain maded by AEMET. Thanks -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 16:03, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello @ Redtitan:, I was calling inaccurate this map [5] which was maded in 2001, not your map. :) If your map is that one from the right of this page (Map 1) I would like to say that all of the zone nearby Almería- Las Palmas (practically a bit more than the half of the southeastern zone of Spain which are represented as BWk climates in the Map 2) have totally BWh climates, with averages of 18-19 ºC and even points close to 19.5 ºC like Cabo de Gata, in fact the city of Almería has an annual average of 19.1 ºC, making it the 4th warmest city in Spain (3rd is Seville, 2nd is Santa Cruz de Tenerife, 1st is Las Palmas). Tabernas Desert instead has a BWk climate. Yes, there is another zone with BWk climate, the Bardenas Reales, which slightly enter the BWk climate zone as it's slightly more arid than it's surrounding areas, which are all BSk. Ibiza and Formentera are also totally BSh climates, as both surpass an annual average of 18 ºC. And with those small editions, the map would be totally accurate. I mentioned you some cities, most of them have climate charts with the official averages of AEMET where you can consult all of this. There is a pdf which uses official AEMET data with 1961-1990 precipitations in some zones of Spain [6] Cabo de Gata registers an average of 156mm (seek in the PDF for "Cabo de Gata" and the 3rd coincidence will show you this. 1971-2000 average of the Almería Airport has an average of 18.7 ºC. [7]
There is a small zone in the levant of Spain which has a BSh climate, Cullera in the Valencian Community for example. That's good. But, in the map the zone of Tavernes de la Valldigna which was mentioned before, enters into the BSh zone, and it's a totally Csa climate. I would like to add that Valencia and nearby zones like Alboraya and Catarroja have climates with averages above 18 ºC, and they're Csa climates (because they receive a slightly higher precipitation than the categorization of semi-arid climate, they're not BSk (anyways also for their temperatures would be BSh, the meteorological station of Valencia is located outside the downtown, the Urban Heat Island doesn't affect the climate station of Valencia. Obviously it's placed by AEMET and it's not an amateur station or something like that placed between buildings, it's placed in the ground surrounded by grass, in fact if I don't remember bad, AEMET uses the same requeriments as the NOAA, or very similar to it. From Manises and Torrent to the interior they are really BSk climates. In addition, Sierra Calderona which is northern of Valencia has also a Csa climate, but Sagunto for example it has a BSk climate. Regards -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 23:40, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Redtitan: Here you have the standard average climate values for every province capital from Spain (Spain has autonomous communities which have provinces inside them). Here it is the official AEMET data for the period 1981-2010 within the AEMET official website. [8] In addition, the zone nearby Almería or Las Palmas, Cabo de Gata and Las Palmas Airport it's also BWh, here you have the source [9] which represents the data from AEMET of the airport in the period 1971-2000.
I've referenced you the page in English, it will appear an interactive map where you can choose any region you want and after you select it it will appear a list of the available cities and meteorological stations, when you press one it will appear the standard averages. Here is the one from the airport of Ibiza, as you can see the average surpasses 18ºC putting it inside the hot semi-arid zone. [10] Here you have the one from the island of Menorca, which is a typical Csa mediterranean climate. [11]
The most important is nearby the city of Valencia. which has a Csa climate and also surpasses the annual average of 18ºC by 0.4 degrees, authomatically placing it under the hot semi-arid zone instead of the BSk cold one. You can prove it here. [12] And also here you have the official data of Almería, as I said before it's an hot desert climate not just for the temperatures, also for it's amount of rain and rain patterns. As you can check it, it has an annual average of 19.1ºC placing it quite warmer than the categorization of BSk, as it's entire surrounding zones (above you have the data for the airport in the period 1971-2000 which had an average of 18.7ºC). [13]
Anyways, you can check anything you want in the source which I've mentioned before, it will appear an interactive map of Spain and you can select any region do you want and check the data. [14]
I forgot to say that the other zone with a cold desert climate which you mentione on the north of Spain is Bardenas Reales, located in the province of Navarra. As you can check on the Wikipedia page of Bardenas Reales it's a total arid land with badlands, but also with arid terrain and the lack of vegetation. Regards! -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 16:45, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Redtitan: hey Redtitan! In addition to all what I've said before, I think that I found Pandora's Box! Here you have the complete climate atlas of Spain and Portugal by AEMET and IPMA which it's translated in both Portuguese and English languages. Here it is: [15] [16] Every page is in the 3 languages. You have complete climate maps. If you seek "Almería" (CTRL+F with any PDF reader) you will find that it appears both zones with BWk and BWh climates in Spain, not just on Almería, but also on Murcia and Alicante. It has the averages of 1971-2000, which are slightly lower than the actual ones (1981-2010) in all the regions, but, if you want to comprove something in the actual averages just seek it here [17] which is the same source that I've put you before which shows the interactive map of Spain and all the meteorological stations from AEMET from all Spanish provinces. And of course it's in English language. As you can see, coastal southern Almería and Las Palmas have totally BWh climates, being the only hot desert climates in Europe.
Doing the precipitation threshold of the Köppen climate classification on desertic climates, Almería and Las Palmas both receive less than 30% of the precipitation in the high-sun half of the year (it specifically receives 50mm from the average of 200mm, so it's a 25%). Doing the proper calculations according to that climate categorization, the average is 19.1 ºC which is multiplied by 20 and then it's divided by 2. The result is exactly 191, which places it 9mm under the threshold of 200mm. As it surpasses the BWh categorization with 1.1 ºC, it's the only hot desert climate for any European cities. I hope you will edit is as soon as you can in the Map 1, with this your map is gonna be very very realistic. Kind regards! -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 22:09, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello @ Redtitan:, I'm really sorry to hear that. Besides, in the climate atlas of both Spain and Portugal maded by AEMET, I just noticed that it appears an official map made by themselves. [18] [19] Can you please tell me how to upload images to Wikipedia? I just want to add this official AEMET map to the article Climate of Spain and in other pages. Effectively, from the city of Valencia until the north of Calpe, all of that zone has a Csa climate on the map. As some zones from Almería and Las Palmashave BWh and a few BWk climates. Kind regards! -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 23:58, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Summers are hot, not merely warm to hot. Jim Michael ( talk) 08:13, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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