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I removed a section claiming, via Miranda Shaw, that Vajrayogini is the supreme figure in Tibetan Buddhism, above and beyond male buddhas. This is a total distortion by someone who has a vested interest in their own genitalia. It is to entirely miss the point. Vajrayogini is male and female. Insofar as she, the supreme and absolute, projects the manifestation of femininity as this supreme, so s/he does also with the male. Yes, she is the mother of the buddhas, even the 'mother of all the mothers of the buddhas' as has been said in scripture, but this does not mean that the father, Heruka, is less either in theory, or in practice. This has never been said - indeed, quite the opposite. To promote one over the other is to miss the entire point.
Let's try to keep this kind of intrusion from modern ideologies and ideologues out of the picture.
179.31.240.253 (
talk)
04:56, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
On 13 March 2007 196.44.16.10 removed an external reference with the note "Removed controversial reference".
I'm archiving it here in case we decide that it should be restored. -- Writtenonsand 15:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Tharpa Publications. ISBN 0-948006-39-0
Hi, it should be restored, Writtenonsand, in section Further reading It's about Buddha Vajrayogini.
And what about this [1]? Can it be added, too? and where best?
Well, I've inserted them.
I've never heard her to be buddhist, too.
"khros ma nag mo", as far as I have read, this is the (a) black form of Vajrayogini.
Tröma Nagmo TROMA NAGMO.Skt (KRODIKALI.Tib) Austerlitz -- 88.75.206.74 ( talk) 09:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
It's sourced from Edou's "Machig Labdron and the Foundations of Chöd" Dakinijones ( talk) 17:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
The text within the above link?
Krodikali: is she Kalika? :Austerlitz -- 88.75.80.91 ( talk) 08:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
the meaning of khros ma nag mo according to this search page
angry [JV]
{nag po}, {nag mo} black [ry] .Austerlitz -- 88.72.4.156 ( talk) 13:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
"Tröma Nagmo (The Extremely Wrathful Black Mother)
These practices, associated with the Dakini Troma Nagmo, were propagated by the great Machig Labdron, who became the most famous female practitioner in Tibet, and attained complete enlightenment by this method." [3]
"Mother Tantras.
Buddha Family.
Sarva-Buddha-Samayoga."
see also Narodakini
Gimme danger, sorry for not answering. Austerlitz -- 88.75.196.36 ( talk) 10:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
there are several teachings claimed to have been given directly by Vajrayogini, that one to Tsembupa, for example [8]. Shouldn't we mention this fact, too?
I removed the section "Vajravarahi", which contained no description of Vajravarahi whatsoever. Instead, the section hosted a commentary on some esoteric function of Guru Padmasambhava's consorts. The content was irrelevant to the topic. I decided not to move it to the Padmasambhava article, because the source is likely either some specific terma or commentary of some specific Guru Yoga practice. The information is relevant and comprehensible only to those doing practices related to or originating from Padmasambhava. It has extremely little relevance to the topic. I suggest that new material be written, if there is to be a section discussing Vajravarahi. Please don't fail to take notice that the material is copied from a source that is itself but a collection of information, possibly gathered from all around the internet: yoniversum.nl/Dakini Yogini Central. (See reference.) The picture of Cakrasamvara was removed with the section. I suggest a link to the Cakrasamvara article at a relevant point, if someone decides to mention him in the article. However there are no references to Cakrasamvara, so I find the picture a little irrelevant.
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I removed a section claiming, via Miranda Shaw, that Vajrayogini is the supreme figure in Tibetan Buddhism, above and beyond male buddhas. This is a total distortion by someone who has a vested interest in their own genitalia. It is to entirely miss the point. Vajrayogini is male and female. Insofar as she, the supreme and absolute, projects the manifestation of femininity as this supreme, so s/he does also with the male. Yes, she is the mother of the buddhas, even the 'mother of all the mothers of the buddhas' as has been said in scripture, but this does not mean that the father, Heruka, is less either in theory, or in practice. This has never been said - indeed, quite the opposite. To promote one over the other is to miss the entire point.
Let's try to keep this kind of intrusion from modern ideologies and ideologues out of the picture.
179.31.240.253 (
talk)
04:56, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
On 13 March 2007 196.44.16.10 removed an external reference with the note "Removed controversial reference".
I'm archiving it here in case we decide that it should be restored. -- Writtenonsand 15:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Tharpa Publications. ISBN 0-948006-39-0
Hi, it should be restored, Writtenonsand, in section Further reading It's about Buddha Vajrayogini.
And what about this [1]? Can it be added, too? and where best?
Well, I've inserted them.
I've never heard her to be buddhist, too.
"khros ma nag mo", as far as I have read, this is the (a) black form of Vajrayogini.
Tröma Nagmo TROMA NAGMO.Skt (KRODIKALI.Tib) Austerlitz -- 88.75.206.74 ( talk) 09:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
It's sourced from Edou's "Machig Labdron and the Foundations of Chöd" Dakinijones ( talk) 17:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
The text within the above link?
Krodikali: is she Kalika? :Austerlitz -- 88.75.80.91 ( talk) 08:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
the meaning of khros ma nag mo according to this search page
angry [JV]
{nag po}, {nag mo} black [ry] .Austerlitz -- 88.72.4.156 ( talk) 13:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
"Tröma Nagmo (The Extremely Wrathful Black Mother)
These practices, associated with the Dakini Troma Nagmo, were propagated by the great Machig Labdron, who became the most famous female practitioner in Tibet, and attained complete enlightenment by this method." [3]
"Mother Tantras.
Buddha Family.
Sarva-Buddha-Samayoga."
see also Narodakini
Gimme danger, sorry for not answering. Austerlitz -- 88.75.196.36 ( talk) 10:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
there are several teachings claimed to have been given directly by Vajrayogini, that one to Tsembupa, for example [8]. Shouldn't we mention this fact, too?
I removed the section "Vajravarahi", which contained no description of Vajravarahi whatsoever. Instead, the section hosted a commentary on some esoteric function of Guru Padmasambhava's consorts. The content was irrelevant to the topic. I decided not to move it to the Padmasambhava article, because the source is likely either some specific terma or commentary of some specific Guru Yoga practice. The information is relevant and comprehensible only to those doing practices related to or originating from Padmasambhava. It has extremely little relevance to the topic. I suggest that new material be written, if there is to be a section discussing Vajravarahi. Please don't fail to take notice that the material is copied from a source that is itself but a collection of information, possibly gathered from all around the internet: yoniversum.nl/Dakini Yogini Central. (See reference.) The picture of Cakrasamvara was removed with the section. I suggest a link to the Cakrasamvara article at a relevant point, if someone decides to mention him in the article. However there are no references to Cakrasamvara, so I find the picture a little irrelevant.