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I'm still thinking about whether this table is a good idea or not for this particular article. It's interesting information, but I'm not sure if it's really on point for the article topic. It might help to discuss here what the purpose of the table is meant to be in this context.
I have a couple of concerns about the table contents. With respect to mortality, the qualitative descriptors ("rare", "very rare", etc.) should probably be updated to include actual numbers from a reputable source (CDC or WHO, perhaps?) Is 1% "low" mortality? The mortality also reflects what is seen in industrialized nations; without access to modern medical care, many 'minor' ailments can become life-threatening.
The other thing that shouldn't be neglected is the associated morbidity; many of these diseases can have serious quality of life effects without causing death. Varicella ( chickenpox) is rarely fatal, but it's damned unpleasant to have—I know; I had it when I was a kid. Because I've been infected, I may develop herpes zoster (shingles) some decades in the future. (That's really nasty, but again only rarely fatal.) A fairly common (~20% of cases) complication of shingles is postherpetic neuralgia, which also sucks. Similarly, if poliomyelitis doesn't kill you while you're young, you may be looking at post-polio syndrome forty years down the road. TenOfAllTrades( talk) 03:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
"Although the benefits far outway the concequences, many parents are choosing to not immunize their children. This has the potential for an outbreak of disease that could be catastrophic to our children and young adults."
I belive this is a very POV paragraph and I would like to remove it, but since I am a good little wikipedian, I would like to make sure that I am not in the minority here. I dont see how this could be rewritten to not be POV but if someone feels up the challenge, go for it. Thanks Lauren 18:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I also think that quote is ridiculously biased and has no business being in a Wikipedia article. Shameful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.169.106 ( talk) 04:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I actually do not think this quote should be considered POV - within the medical and scientific communities, it is considered an absolute fact that the benefits of recommended vaccines outweigh any potential consequences, and the trend towards abstaining from immunizations is, indeed, creating the potential for catastrophic outbreaks of diseases. Every reputable study that has ever been performed on this subject has supported nothing less. Obviously, science is never 100% infallible, and there will be a population that disputes this concept. However, in the case of the vaccinations, the presence of a legitimate controversy has really been fabricated by the media and by the understandable irrationality that accompanies parents' love for their children. It would be a shame for wikipedia to pander to these fallacies at the expense of academic integrity. Qwerty128 ( talk) 04:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
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I removed the dead link tag from the http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileselect.cfm citation since the link did bring me to that information. However, the citation should be changed since the information on the website is more current than indicated in the article (up to 2009).
Citation http://www.charakclinics.com/charak_child/blog/?p=35 is dead. I recommend that this statement is removed, since this information can be accessed in the preceding citation.
There are updated 2010 schedules for the US at http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/child-schedule.htm#printable and http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/adult-schedule.htm, which should be used to update refs http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2009/09_0-6yrs_schedule_pr.pdf and http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/adult/2009/adult-schedule.pdf.
For the vaccination information statements, I recommend including http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/default.htm, which defines and lists all of the statements and provides files for download.
The reference for the UK schedule is functional and brings you to the most updated information (2009), but the information in the wiki should be updated to reflect what is in the reference.
For the HPV reference, http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Vaccines/HPV should fix the dead link.
Section "2006 release of childhood vaccination records" seems out of place in this article. It doesn't have medical relevance and instead reports a scandal in the UK that involved vaccinations. I recommend removing this section from this article due to its lack of medical relevance.
For flu vaccinations, http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk./Vaccines/Flu/Having_the_vaccination can be referenced.
HPV reference http://www.immunise.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/publishing.nsf/Content/home Immunise Australia Program does not you to information on HPV. http://www.immunise.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/publishing.nsf/Content/immunise-hpv is a better reference.
Varicella is in the original referenced material, but there isn't an entry on the page's table. https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.immunise.health.gov.au%2Finternet%2Fimmunise%2Fpublishing.nsf%2FContent%2FE875BA5436C6DF9BCA2575BD001C80BF%2F%24File%2Fnip-schedule-card-july07.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.115.68.21 ( talk) 03:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
What countries are included here? Why are "in developing countries with Yellow Fever" specified? What does that indicate? This section could be expanded to clarify this.
As pointed out by other individuals on this page, this paragraph is speculative, uncited, and does not add any medically relevant information. I recommend that it be removed due to lack of medical relevance or edited to include views in a recent review article regarding vaccination.
I hope that these sources will be of assistance in the efforts to improve this wiki. Factcheckalm ( talk) 03:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
At this point I feel that all of Factcheckalm's suggestions have been addressed and implemented. But feel free to keep improving!-- DO11.10 ( talk) 20:16, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Some areas of Asia immunize for Japanese B encephalitis. Much of the world now immunizes for HPV? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 18:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
We mention Tuberculosis but it is not mentioned in a single guidelines found below. And what about rubella?-- Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 19:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
UK schedule needs to mention that most of the vaccines are given as a single shot, namely DTaP/IPV/Hib at 2,3,4m, Hib/MenC at 12m, DTaP/IPV at 40m, dT/IPV at 13-18y. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.150.60 ( talk) 16:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
The acronyms IPV/OPV and other appear without definition in this page. I'm sure they are obvious to someone but I have no idea what they're referring to. wren337 ( talk) 19:31, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Flagged section, because need childhood immunization info from S-America + Canada ( as 'noted' by Doc James 5 yrs ago), Africa, Asia, rest of Europe. -- Wuerzele ( talk) 19:07, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Is this statement accurate, "The use of combination vaccine products means that, as of 2013, the United Kingdom's immunization program consists of 10 injections by the age of two"? Not all of the vaccinations are given by injection. Graham Beards ( talk) 18:00, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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Ckfasdf, I noticed the info you added on Indonesia is different from the one published by WHO. Notably, WHO says Indonesia doesn't use MMR, but only a measles vaccine instead, and is yet to introduce MR in some provinces after the end of a campaign to adopt it. I can't read Bahasa, but I could make out from the source you cited, that indeed MMR is indicated. Is WHO wrong? Guarapiranga ( talk) 02:47, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Can we add new vaccines into the table such as Dengue vaccine and Malaria vaccine, Dengue vaccine was used in national program in Philippines until Dengvaxia controversy and Malaria vaccine is currently used as pilot project for vaccination starting 23 April 2019 in Malawi, 30 April 2019 in Ghana, and 13 September 2019 in Kenya. Maybe in the future, they will be included into national program in some country Ckfasdf ( talk) 07:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Even thought not every country lists it explicitly in their vaccination schedule, many by now have rules for mandatory or recommended vaccinations. Therefore I think it should be added to the table as it is more or less still part of the schedule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:FB:F24:B200:9D43:9CDA:2BBE:ADF6 ( talk) 10:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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I'm still thinking about whether this table is a good idea or not for this particular article. It's interesting information, but I'm not sure if it's really on point for the article topic. It might help to discuss here what the purpose of the table is meant to be in this context.
I have a couple of concerns about the table contents. With respect to mortality, the qualitative descriptors ("rare", "very rare", etc.) should probably be updated to include actual numbers from a reputable source (CDC or WHO, perhaps?) Is 1% "low" mortality? The mortality also reflects what is seen in industrialized nations; without access to modern medical care, many 'minor' ailments can become life-threatening.
The other thing that shouldn't be neglected is the associated morbidity; many of these diseases can have serious quality of life effects without causing death. Varicella ( chickenpox) is rarely fatal, but it's damned unpleasant to have—I know; I had it when I was a kid. Because I've been infected, I may develop herpes zoster (shingles) some decades in the future. (That's really nasty, but again only rarely fatal.) A fairly common (~20% of cases) complication of shingles is postherpetic neuralgia, which also sucks. Similarly, if poliomyelitis doesn't kill you while you're young, you may be looking at post-polio syndrome forty years down the road. TenOfAllTrades( talk) 03:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
"Although the benefits far outway the concequences, many parents are choosing to not immunize their children. This has the potential for an outbreak of disease that could be catastrophic to our children and young adults."
I belive this is a very POV paragraph and I would like to remove it, but since I am a good little wikipedian, I would like to make sure that I am not in the minority here. I dont see how this could be rewritten to not be POV but if someone feels up the challenge, go for it. Thanks Lauren 18:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I also think that quote is ridiculously biased and has no business being in a Wikipedia article. Shameful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.169.106 ( talk) 04:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I actually do not think this quote should be considered POV - within the medical and scientific communities, it is considered an absolute fact that the benefits of recommended vaccines outweigh any potential consequences, and the trend towards abstaining from immunizations is, indeed, creating the potential for catastrophic outbreaks of diseases. Every reputable study that has ever been performed on this subject has supported nothing less. Obviously, science is never 100% infallible, and there will be a population that disputes this concept. However, in the case of the vaccinations, the presence of a legitimate controversy has really been fabricated by the media and by the understandable irrationality that accompanies parents' love for their children. It would be a shame for wikipedia to pander to these fallacies at the expense of academic integrity. Qwerty128 ( talk) 04:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
(Part of the WikiProject Medicine effort)
I removed the dead link tag from the http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileselect.cfm citation since the link did bring me to that information. However, the citation should be changed since the information on the website is more current than indicated in the article (up to 2009).
Citation http://www.charakclinics.com/charak_child/blog/?p=35 is dead. I recommend that this statement is removed, since this information can be accessed in the preceding citation.
There are updated 2010 schedules for the US at http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/child-schedule.htm#printable and http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/adult-schedule.htm, which should be used to update refs http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2009/09_0-6yrs_schedule_pr.pdf and http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/adult/2009/adult-schedule.pdf.
For the vaccination information statements, I recommend including http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/default.htm, which defines and lists all of the statements and provides files for download.
The reference for the UK schedule is functional and brings you to the most updated information (2009), but the information in the wiki should be updated to reflect what is in the reference.
For the HPV reference, http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Vaccines/HPV should fix the dead link.
Section "2006 release of childhood vaccination records" seems out of place in this article. It doesn't have medical relevance and instead reports a scandal in the UK that involved vaccinations. I recommend removing this section from this article due to its lack of medical relevance.
For flu vaccinations, http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk./Vaccines/Flu/Having_the_vaccination can be referenced.
HPV reference http://www.immunise.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/publishing.nsf/Content/home Immunise Australia Program does not you to information on HPV. http://www.immunise.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/publishing.nsf/Content/immunise-hpv is a better reference.
Varicella is in the original referenced material, but there isn't an entry on the page's table. https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.immunise.health.gov.au%2Finternet%2Fimmunise%2Fpublishing.nsf%2FContent%2FE875BA5436C6DF9BCA2575BD001C80BF%2F%24File%2Fnip-schedule-card-july07.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.115.68.21 ( talk) 03:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
What countries are included here? Why are "in developing countries with Yellow Fever" specified? What does that indicate? This section could be expanded to clarify this.
As pointed out by other individuals on this page, this paragraph is speculative, uncited, and does not add any medically relevant information. I recommend that it be removed due to lack of medical relevance or edited to include views in a recent review article regarding vaccination.
I hope that these sources will be of assistance in the efforts to improve this wiki. Factcheckalm ( talk) 03:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
At this point I feel that all of Factcheckalm's suggestions have been addressed and implemented. But feel free to keep improving!-- DO11.10 ( talk) 20:16, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Some areas of Asia immunize for Japanese B encephalitis. Much of the world now immunizes for HPV? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 18:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
We mention Tuberculosis but it is not mentioned in a single guidelines found below. And what about rubella?-- Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 19:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
UK schedule needs to mention that most of the vaccines are given as a single shot, namely DTaP/IPV/Hib at 2,3,4m, Hib/MenC at 12m, DTaP/IPV at 40m, dT/IPV at 13-18y. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.150.60 ( talk) 16:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
The acronyms IPV/OPV and other appear without definition in this page. I'm sure they are obvious to someone but I have no idea what they're referring to. wren337 ( talk) 19:31, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Flagged section, because need childhood immunization info from S-America + Canada ( as 'noted' by Doc James 5 yrs ago), Africa, Asia, rest of Europe. -- Wuerzele ( talk) 19:07, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Is this statement accurate, "The use of combination vaccine products means that, as of 2013, the United Kingdom's immunization program consists of 10 injections by the age of two"? Not all of the vaccinations are given by injection. Graham Beards ( talk) 18:00, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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Ckfasdf, I noticed the info you added on Indonesia is different from the one published by WHO. Notably, WHO says Indonesia doesn't use MMR, but only a measles vaccine instead, and is yet to introduce MR in some provinces after the end of a campaign to adopt it. I can't read Bahasa, but I could make out from the source you cited, that indeed MMR is indicated. Is WHO wrong? Guarapiranga ( talk) 02:47, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Can we add new vaccines into the table such as Dengue vaccine and Malaria vaccine, Dengue vaccine was used in national program in Philippines until Dengvaxia controversy and Malaria vaccine is currently used as pilot project for vaccination starting 23 April 2019 in Malawi, 30 April 2019 in Ghana, and 13 September 2019 in Kenya. Maybe in the future, they will be included into national program in some country Ckfasdf ( talk) 07:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Even thought not every country lists it explicitly in their vaccination schedule, many by now have rules for mandatory or recommended vaccinations. Therefore I think it should be added to the table as it is more or less still part of the schedule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:FB:F24:B200:9D43:9CDA:2BBE:ADF6 ( talk) 10:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)