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One thing the article would benefit from is a basic history of the format, particularly the early period. The development is briefly mentioned in the opening paragraphs, and from that point onwards the article concentrates on the format's technical characteristics and legacy. Why was it designed, to what specification, by whom, and during which time period? When were the first players launched, and how was it received by the press? How long did it take to become popular? This is only covered in very skimpy detail. The article on the Videotape format war seems to have a more thorough explanation of this (perhaps it was part of this article in the past, and has been split off). - Ashley Pomeroy ( talk) 22:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so the HiFi Stereo sound is recorded along with the picture signal. However, the picture signal isn't continuous- it's striped diagonally and breaks at the edges. Of course, this is fine for video, as it's made up of separate fields- 50 or 60 per second. However, audio is continuous. Since the sound is analogue, it can't be buffered, so surely the gaps in the signal would cause some sort of interference in the sound that could (at best) be minimised, but not removed? Ubcule ( talk) 01:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Do you reckon PVRs (TiVo, Sky+ etc.) should have a mention in the successors section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.140.246 ( talk) 19:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
It says D-VHS allows 1080p, while the wiki about D-VHS says it supports up to 1080i/720p. 217.102.250.153 ( talk) 10:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone knew more on tape rot? Perhaps just a rumor? Or baking tapes, where old tapes become brittle, if they aren't out right cracked you can bake the tapes and get a little more life out of them, enough to transfer to another format. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.170.143 ( talk) 22:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I think I found unresolved issues, such as poor organization and attracting those who are into too many details more than an average person. I do not know where to tag these issues at: the top of the article or under one of the section headings. Express your opinions, please. -- Gh87 ( talk) 02:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Just bringing it up, but many recent Panasonic VHS/DVD combo units record VP in VP mode. A T-120 holds 10 hours and some minutes of content in VP mode. A T-200 holds 16 hours and 55 minutes, and a DF-240 holds, I think, over 30 hours. No information of this VP mode in this article? Why not? Fictional Science Sextuple Feature! 19:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MagentaTimCurryElbowSex ( talk • contribs)
It doesn't allow "standard units" to *record* S-VHS onto standard VHS tape. It allows an S-VHS VCR to record S-VHS onto standard VHS tape. A standard VHS VCR with VHS-ET can *play* S-VHS recordings from S-VHS tapes. User's manuals for S-VHS VCRs with VHS-ET usually say that S-VHS recordings made on standard tapes will most likely not play back on any other VCR, even another S-VHS unit with VHS-ET. To record S-VHS requires either an S-Video or component video input so the quality of the signals is there to record. Standard VHS VCRs only have composite video inputs. Bizzybody ( talk) 07:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
I think that there should be something said about what video did to the porn industry and the availability of pornography to the average person.
In the article, it says that VHS stands for video home system, but I thought it stood for vertical helical scan. The "video home system" was a backronym because "vertical helical scan" sounded too technical. Shouldn't the article address this? I just think this should be mentioned somewhere. Mainly I think it's just a continuity sort of thing, as the article on Wikipedia for DVD lists both its actual name (digital versatile disc) and its common name (digital video disc). I think just for that reason, some mention should be made of the original meaning of VHS. 76.84.99.42 ( talk) 05:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Revisionist nonsense.... it was NEVER "Vertical Helical Scan"... we have been over this time and again. If people think it WAS then they are misled or mistaken. The term "Video Home System" was coined by the inventors themselves. NSB.... no such backronym. Hardylane ( talk) 06:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I already said perhaps further investigation is warranted, meaning, why dont you take that lil video of yours and put it in the article as a citation, instead of getting mad at everything that isnt Japanese Anime nerddom. — ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ ( ᚷᛖᛋᛈᚱᛖᚳ) 17:00, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Hardylane ( talk) 23:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I think that there should be something said about what video did to the porn industry and the availability of pornography to the average person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.153.192 ( talk) 05:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
The statement that Betamax blocked the porn industry from large access to their format is backed up on the video tape format war as well as the Betamax page itself. It is a relevant issue. Because of home systems, porn shifted from adult theatres, to home systems. Since Sony tried to fight that from happening, then what Groink is saying isn't entirely true, or focal to the point. VHS succeeded in both the porn home video, as well as the mainstream film home video markets (due to two-hour tapes being able to hold an entire film on one cassette, thus being more practical), and that was a trend that I do believe started happening BEFORE the format war was outright won by VHS. I'd say more research in to this is needed before we outright declare that it wasn't a matter at all. Based on what I've learned from the respective articles, they WERE major points, and should be addressed. StrangeApparition2011 ( talk) 02:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Well then you've got something to discuss with people on the talk pages for those articles then. Because the statement that Sony refused to allow any part of the pornography industry to distribute Betamax cassettes is referenced. As well, I'm telling you that you are correct on one level, but you are NOT entirely correct. There absolutely WAS a "mainstream" pornography industry in the 1970's & 1980's. Yes, porn was still largely underground, and home video certainly helped bring it to a commonplace. But I'm sure you've heard of "Deep Throat", "Debbie Does Dallas", "Behind the Green Door", etc. These are movies that were distributed by companies that had a name and means to do so. Meaning, regardless if they were just backwoods hippies, they were still producers and/or distributors, and Sony still knew of their intent and refused to allow them to use their format.
The same analogy could apply if supposing that after Phillips/Sony invented the CD, that Sony refused to allow any artist not signed to Sony's record label to produce their music on CD's. Even if several independent and largely held unaccountable labels and/or artists started doing it, the fact that Sony fought against it WOULD have hurt the compact disc format, and probably inhibited it's success against another format that allowed anyone to use it. I know that right there is a hypothetical example, but it's mired in factual events. This being one. Do you see what I'm saying? Sony's refusal to let the porn industry in, is a relevant piece to the failure of Betamax. StrangeApparition2011 ( talk) 07:52, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Can we try to get this section properly internationalised? At times it's talking explicitly about the US market, at other times worldwide, and some times it's not remotely clear which market is being talked about - e.g. "The final major Hollywood motion picture released on VHS was David Cronenberg's A History of Violence." Is that true for all markets? At least one other 2005 film didn't get a US VHS release but did in other markets. Statements like "For home-video (that is, pre-recorded commercially-released movies, etc.) rental and sales, DVD has almost completely taken the place of VHS." are a little sweeping as there were parts of the world where VHS wasn't the pre-eminent home-video format in the first place.
And I think we need to be careful about listing latter day VHS releases as a sign of the finishing point - there's a world of difference between a company being the last to see ongoing profit potential in the format (or perhaps having long period production/distribution deals tied up), and The House of the Devil which is a 1980s nostalgic piece right down to the filming technique and technology and which included a VHS release as part of such nostalgia. (The article on Paranormal Activity states it also had a US VHS release following a petition - again this sounds gimmicky and nostalgic rather than a final gasp.) Timrollpickering ( talk) 16:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
At what point in time did consumer VHS cameras become available? Please add! -- 92.226.26.35 ( talk) 16:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Panasonic SuperDrive VHS/DVD Recorder combo units have a "VP" mode for VHS tapes for recording. VP mode tapes can only be played on other Panasonic SuperDrive VCRs, but it must be of at least since 2005, I think, and be combo units. According to the manuals by Panasonic (find one, I'm not going to), VP mode is 5 times more. So, SP is 2 hours, LP is 4 hours, EP is 6 hours, and VP is 10 hours. I used a T-200 in VP mode and it held, this particular tape, 17 hours, 54 minutes. While every tape has a different total time, it's about average for T-120s, in VP, to hold 10 hours and 20 minutes, and newer blanks hold 10 hours and 12 minutes.
When VP tapes are played in a normal VCR, the player reads it as EP and plays it at EP speed, giving the impression of Alvin and the Chipmunking the sound. I don't know the lines of resolution of the VP mode, though, but it does record in stereo.
If a tape is in bad condition, and VP mode is picky, the VP mode recording will usually be shaky, though a good degaussing or recording over a few times in VP mode (which takes LOTS of time), may clear up the problems. While these recordings could last quite some time, like LP and EP, I theorize that the recordings will be useless within a decade. No proof.
Well, if somebody wants to verify and source my statements, go right on ahead. Until then, it is what it is. (I will not add to article 'til this information can be verified, regardless if I own a machine and have conducted these experiments on my own.)
Apple8800 ( talk) 07:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed some inconsistencies in the text, regarding usage and decline.
Under "Decline", following text can be found hard-drive based digital video recorders have replaced the VCR as the time shifting device of choice, especially in households with subscriber-based TV services. The home camcorder market, one which VHS shared with alternative formats, has already transitioned to digital-video recording. The home camcorder market, one which VHS shared with alternative formats, has already transitioned to digital-video recording. But the largest impact on the VHS format was the introduction of the DVD format to American consumers in March 1997.
, but under "Successors - DVD", following can be found: Despite DVD's better quality (480 typical versus 250 lines horizontal resolution), VHS is still (as of 2012) used in home recording of video content
. I assume here thought that "home recording" is either time shifting or camcorder recording (it's unclear to me which is it), but I can be wrong.
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Aza
Toth
14:20, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 |
One thing the article would benefit from is a basic history of the format, particularly the early period. The development is briefly mentioned in the opening paragraphs, and from that point onwards the article concentrates on the format's technical characteristics and legacy. Why was it designed, to what specification, by whom, and during which time period? When were the first players launched, and how was it received by the press? How long did it take to become popular? This is only covered in very skimpy detail. The article on the Videotape format war seems to have a more thorough explanation of this (perhaps it was part of this article in the past, and has been split off). - Ashley Pomeroy ( talk) 22:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so the HiFi Stereo sound is recorded along with the picture signal. However, the picture signal isn't continuous- it's striped diagonally and breaks at the edges. Of course, this is fine for video, as it's made up of separate fields- 50 or 60 per second. However, audio is continuous. Since the sound is analogue, it can't be buffered, so surely the gaps in the signal would cause some sort of interference in the sound that could (at best) be minimised, but not removed? Ubcule ( talk) 01:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Do you reckon PVRs (TiVo, Sky+ etc.) should have a mention in the successors section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.140.246 ( talk) 19:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
It says D-VHS allows 1080p, while the wiki about D-VHS says it supports up to 1080i/720p. 217.102.250.153 ( talk) 10:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone knew more on tape rot? Perhaps just a rumor? Or baking tapes, where old tapes become brittle, if they aren't out right cracked you can bake the tapes and get a little more life out of them, enough to transfer to another format. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.170.143 ( talk) 22:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I think I found unresolved issues, such as poor organization and attracting those who are into too many details more than an average person. I do not know where to tag these issues at: the top of the article or under one of the section headings. Express your opinions, please. -- Gh87 ( talk) 02:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Just bringing it up, but many recent Panasonic VHS/DVD combo units record VP in VP mode. A T-120 holds 10 hours and some minutes of content in VP mode. A T-200 holds 16 hours and 55 minutes, and a DF-240 holds, I think, over 30 hours. No information of this VP mode in this article? Why not? Fictional Science Sextuple Feature! 19:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MagentaTimCurryElbowSex ( talk • contribs)
It doesn't allow "standard units" to *record* S-VHS onto standard VHS tape. It allows an S-VHS VCR to record S-VHS onto standard VHS tape. A standard VHS VCR with VHS-ET can *play* S-VHS recordings from S-VHS tapes. User's manuals for S-VHS VCRs with VHS-ET usually say that S-VHS recordings made on standard tapes will most likely not play back on any other VCR, even another S-VHS unit with VHS-ET. To record S-VHS requires either an S-Video or component video input so the quality of the signals is there to record. Standard VHS VCRs only have composite video inputs. Bizzybody ( talk) 07:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
I think that there should be something said about what video did to the porn industry and the availability of pornography to the average person.
In the article, it says that VHS stands for video home system, but I thought it stood for vertical helical scan. The "video home system" was a backronym because "vertical helical scan" sounded too technical. Shouldn't the article address this? I just think this should be mentioned somewhere. Mainly I think it's just a continuity sort of thing, as the article on Wikipedia for DVD lists both its actual name (digital versatile disc) and its common name (digital video disc). I think just for that reason, some mention should be made of the original meaning of VHS. 76.84.99.42 ( talk) 05:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Revisionist nonsense.... it was NEVER "Vertical Helical Scan"... we have been over this time and again. If people think it WAS then they are misled or mistaken. The term "Video Home System" was coined by the inventors themselves. NSB.... no such backronym. Hardylane ( talk) 06:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I already said perhaps further investigation is warranted, meaning, why dont you take that lil video of yours and put it in the article as a citation, instead of getting mad at everything that isnt Japanese Anime nerddom. — ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ ( ᚷᛖᛋᛈᚱᛖᚳ) 17:00, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Hardylane ( talk) 23:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I think that there should be something said about what video did to the porn industry and the availability of pornography to the average person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.153.192 ( talk) 05:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
The statement that Betamax blocked the porn industry from large access to their format is backed up on the video tape format war as well as the Betamax page itself. It is a relevant issue. Because of home systems, porn shifted from adult theatres, to home systems. Since Sony tried to fight that from happening, then what Groink is saying isn't entirely true, or focal to the point. VHS succeeded in both the porn home video, as well as the mainstream film home video markets (due to two-hour tapes being able to hold an entire film on one cassette, thus being more practical), and that was a trend that I do believe started happening BEFORE the format war was outright won by VHS. I'd say more research in to this is needed before we outright declare that it wasn't a matter at all. Based on what I've learned from the respective articles, they WERE major points, and should be addressed. StrangeApparition2011 ( talk) 02:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Well then you've got something to discuss with people on the talk pages for those articles then. Because the statement that Sony refused to allow any part of the pornography industry to distribute Betamax cassettes is referenced. As well, I'm telling you that you are correct on one level, but you are NOT entirely correct. There absolutely WAS a "mainstream" pornography industry in the 1970's & 1980's. Yes, porn was still largely underground, and home video certainly helped bring it to a commonplace. But I'm sure you've heard of "Deep Throat", "Debbie Does Dallas", "Behind the Green Door", etc. These are movies that were distributed by companies that had a name and means to do so. Meaning, regardless if they were just backwoods hippies, they were still producers and/or distributors, and Sony still knew of their intent and refused to allow them to use their format.
The same analogy could apply if supposing that after Phillips/Sony invented the CD, that Sony refused to allow any artist not signed to Sony's record label to produce their music on CD's. Even if several independent and largely held unaccountable labels and/or artists started doing it, the fact that Sony fought against it WOULD have hurt the compact disc format, and probably inhibited it's success against another format that allowed anyone to use it. I know that right there is a hypothetical example, but it's mired in factual events. This being one. Do you see what I'm saying? Sony's refusal to let the porn industry in, is a relevant piece to the failure of Betamax. StrangeApparition2011 ( talk) 07:52, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Can we try to get this section properly internationalised? At times it's talking explicitly about the US market, at other times worldwide, and some times it's not remotely clear which market is being talked about - e.g. "The final major Hollywood motion picture released on VHS was David Cronenberg's A History of Violence." Is that true for all markets? At least one other 2005 film didn't get a US VHS release but did in other markets. Statements like "For home-video (that is, pre-recorded commercially-released movies, etc.) rental and sales, DVD has almost completely taken the place of VHS." are a little sweeping as there were parts of the world where VHS wasn't the pre-eminent home-video format in the first place.
And I think we need to be careful about listing latter day VHS releases as a sign of the finishing point - there's a world of difference between a company being the last to see ongoing profit potential in the format (or perhaps having long period production/distribution deals tied up), and The House of the Devil which is a 1980s nostalgic piece right down to the filming technique and technology and which included a VHS release as part of such nostalgia. (The article on Paranormal Activity states it also had a US VHS release following a petition - again this sounds gimmicky and nostalgic rather than a final gasp.) Timrollpickering ( talk) 16:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
At what point in time did consumer VHS cameras become available? Please add! -- 92.226.26.35 ( talk) 16:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Panasonic SuperDrive VHS/DVD Recorder combo units have a "VP" mode for VHS tapes for recording. VP mode tapes can only be played on other Panasonic SuperDrive VCRs, but it must be of at least since 2005, I think, and be combo units. According to the manuals by Panasonic (find one, I'm not going to), VP mode is 5 times more. So, SP is 2 hours, LP is 4 hours, EP is 6 hours, and VP is 10 hours. I used a T-200 in VP mode and it held, this particular tape, 17 hours, 54 minutes. While every tape has a different total time, it's about average for T-120s, in VP, to hold 10 hours and 20 minutes, and newer blanks hold 10 hours and 12 minutes.
When VP tapes are played in a normal VCR, the player reads it as EP and plays it at EP speed, giving the impression of Alvin and the Chipmunking the sound. I don't know the lines of resolution of the VP mode, though, but it does record in stereo.
If a tape is in bad condition, and VP mode is picky, the VP mode recording will usually be shaky, though a good degaussing or recording over a few times in VP mode (which takes LOTS of time), may clear up the problems. While these recordings could last quite some time, like LP and EP, I theorize that the recordings will be useless within a decade. No proof.
Well, if somebody wants to verify and source my statements, go right on ahead. Until then, it is what it is. (I will not add to article 'til this information can be verified, regardless if I own a machine and have conducted these experiments on my own.)
Apple8800 ( talk) 07:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed some inconsistencies in the text, regarding usage and decline.
Under "Decline", following text can be found hard-drive based digital video recorders have replaced the VCR as the time shifting device of choice, especially in households with subscriber-based TV services. The home camcorder market, one which VHS shared with alternative formats, has already transitioned to digital-video recording. The home camcorder market, one which VHS shared with alternative formats, has already transitioned to digital-video recording. But the largest impact on the VHS format was the introduction of the DVD format to American consumers in March 1997.
, but under "Successors - DVD", following can be found: Despite DVD's better quality (480 typical versus 250 lines horizontal resolution), VHS is still (as of 2012) used in home recording of video content
. I assume here thought that "home recording" is either time shifting or camcorder recording (it's unclear to me which is it), but I can be wrong.
→
Aza
Toth
14:20, 3 February 2013 (UTC)