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I think information about downloading the VC-1 codec should be included, I'm not sure if it only comes with WMP11, or you have to somehow download it by itself.
Due to the following:
I propose that the message regarding the proposed merge be removed. Unless there is objection, I will do so in a few days.
Done
Should WMV HD and VC-1 be merged? At the least, the two articles are not self consistent. The article WMV HD says it is now also called VC-1. The VC-1 article says Although VC-1 and WMV9 refer to the same codec technology, VC-1 is actually a superset of WMV9, containing more coding tools for interlaced video sequences than the original WMV9 codec, which concentrated on progressive encoding for computer displays. Wendell 20:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Disagree, and I changed my mind Now I disagree, and this is because WMV HD used the old deprecated codec, not the VC-1 standard. Siddharthagandhi 22:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it might be nice to indicate which formats in the table are interlaced and which are progressive. Knowledgeable people might know that the i formats are interlaced and the p formats aren't, but they likely don't know it for NTSC-SD or other formats. - Flooey 17:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The article only mentions ffmpeg as an implementation of VC-1 unconnected to Microsoft, and this also only in one line. Are there any other implementations worth mentioning, and how much information is available? Don Cuan 16:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Tandberg also has a hardware-based VC-1 encoder, though it's unclear whether it's based on any Microsoft code or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.140.97 ( talk) 03:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
FFMpeg is not entirely legal. Patents prevent legal decoding and encoding of Windows Media Video. Should this not be mentioned? Currently reading the page, most users will think that they can do it for free without any backlash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.67.98.193 ( talk) 20:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
This [1] while perhaps not quite a RS (although by an expert) is interesting. Is it true that Microsoft had originally intended VC-1 to be royalty free (obviously not open source) but it was other patent holders who basically ended this? Nil Einne ( talk) 00:52, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
209.237.193.13 keeps readding the AVS Forum reference to the article ( [2], [3], [4], [5]), saying "Doesn't mean it is wrong. Amir was the actual Microsoft Engineer in charge of VC-1. There are other corroborating sources that he was in the team. You should contact him if in doubt." This is a misunderstanding of why I reverted the edit, i.e. basic Wikipedia rules. First, I did not revert the edit because I do not believe what's written there is true or because I do not believe Amir was the Microsoft engineer in charge of VC-1. As I already explained in my reverts (twice), internet forums are not reliable sources required by the verifiability policy. The verifiability policy is one of the three core Wikipedia policies, that is, content policies that are non-negotiable and can never be violated, regardless of anyone's opinion or even consensus (that is, even if all Wikipedia editors or even all people on earth agree that something is true, it cannot be added to an article if it does not satisfy the core policies). The verifiability policy directly says that "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." In other words, the editor's affirmation that the information is true is irrelevant: Wikipedia does not care whether something is true or not. Wikipedia only cares whether it was published in a reliable source. Now, the word "source" generally means a medium, not a person. For example, magazines or reputable web sites with editorial review count as reliable sources. Web forums, blogs and similar sources generally do not fall into this category. As the policy says: "self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources." The word "largely" suggests that there can be exceptions. And indeed, there are: "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications."
So what is required for the reference to meet the requirements set by the core Wikipedia policies? Preferably, it should come from a reliable source, that is a book, paper or a reputable website with editorial review. If it comes from an unreliable, self-published source, then, preferably, the reference should not be added to the article. If it is really something very important, that really must be there, something that the article cannot live without, and the only available source is a web forum posting, then:
So please, do not readd the reference without meeting the requirements explained above, or without discussing it here first. Again, I am not questioning the accuracy of the information presented in the reference, all I'm saying is that the reference, in its current form, the way it's presented, does not comply with the core Wikipedia policies.— J. M. ( talk) 18:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
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I think information about downloading the VC-1 codec should be included, I'm not sure if it only comes with WMP11, or you have to somehow download it by itself.
Due to the following:
I propose that the message regarding the proposed merge be removed. Unless there is objection, I will do so in a few days.
Done
Should WMV HD and VC-1 be merged? At the least, the two articles are not self consistent. The article WMV HD says it is now also called VC-1. The VC-1 article says Although VC-1 and WMV9 refer to the same codec technology, VC-1 is actually a superset of WMV9, containing more coding tools for interlaced video sequences than the original WMV9 codec, which concentrated on progressive encoding for computer displays. Wendell 20:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Disagree, and I changed my mind Now I disagree, and this is because WMV HD used the old deprecated codec, not the VC-1 standard. Siddharthagandhi 22:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it might be nice to indicate which formats in the table are interlaced and which are progressive. Knowledgeable people might know that the i formats are interlaced and the p formats aren't, but they likely don't know it for NTSC-SD or other formats. - Flooey 17:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The article only mentions ffmpeg as an implementation of VC-1 unconnected to Microsoft, and this also only in one line. Are there any other implementations worth mentioning, and how much information is available? Don Cuan 16:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Tandberg also has a hardware-based VC-1 encoder, though it's unclear whether it's based on any Microsoft code or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.140.97 ( talk) 03:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
FFMpeg is not entirely legal. Patents prevent legal decoding and encoding of Windows Media Video. Should this not be mentioned? Currently reading the page, most users will think that they can do it for free without any backlash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.67.98.193 ( talk) 20:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
This [1] while perhaps not quite a RS (although by an expert) is interesting. Is it true that Microsoft had originally intended VC-1 to be royalty free (obviously not open source) but it was other patent holders who basically ended this? Nil Einne ( talk) 00:52, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
209.237.193.13 keeps readding the AVS Forum reference to the article ( [2], [3], [4], [5]), saying "Doesn't mean it is wrong. Amir was the actual Microsoft Engineer in charge of VC-1. There are other corroborating sources that he was in the team. You should contact him if in doubt." This is a misunderstanding of why I reverted the edit, i.e. basic Wikipedia rules. First, I did not revert the edit because I do not believe what's written there is true or because I do not believe Amir was the Microsoft engineer in charge of VC-1. As I already explained in my reverts (twice), internet forums are not reliable sources required by the verifiability policy. The verifiability policy is one of the three core Wikipedia policies, that is, content policies that are non-negotiable and can never be violated, regardless of anyone's opinion or even consensus (that is, even if all Wikipedia editors or even all people on earth agree that something is true, it cannot be added to an article if it does not satisfy the core policies). The verifiability policy directly says that "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." In other words, the editor's affirmation that the information is true is irrelevant: Wikipedia does not care whether something is true or not. Wikipedia only cares whether it was published in a reliable source. Now, the word "source" generally means a medium, not a person. For example, magazines or reputable web sites with editorial review count as reliable sources. Web forums, blogs and similar sources generally do not fall into this category. As the policy says: "self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources." The word "largely" suggests that there can be exceptions. And indeed, there are: "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications."
So what is required for the reference to meet the requirements set by the core Wikipedia policies? Preferably, it should come from a reliable source, that is a book, paper or a reputable website with editorial review. If it comes from an unreliable, self-published source, then, preferably, the reference should not be added to the article. If it is really something very important, that really must be there, something that the article cannot live without, and the only available source is a web forum posting, then:
So please, do not readd the reference without meeting the requirements explained above, or without discussing it here first. Again, I am not questioning the accuracy of the information presented in the reference, all I'm saying is that the reference, in its current form, the way it's presented, does not comply with the core Wikipedia policies.— J. M. ( talk) 18:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC)