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Under specifications, it says "Detonation Mechanism: 100". What does that mean? 100 what? Tsuka ( talk) 07:38, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
According to the Operation and effectiveness section, it was “about 1000”. But totting up the number as detailed by plane type later on in the article (Interceptors subsection) the number is far higher. Excluding Tempests, we have about 1300. The number destroyed by Tempests is hard to ascertain from the article (is the *total* 638?). So clearly “about 1000” is very wrong, even though it is referenced.
Also, it would be great to have a summary like this: xxxx were launched at English targets, of which xxxx were destroyed by interceptors and xxxx believed destroyed by anti-aircraft guns. Boscaswell talk 09:18, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Just under 2,000 V-1s (1,954 by the article's figures) were shot down by fighters, a startling 638 by the Tempest Vs of Nos.3, 56 and 486 (New Zealand) Squadrons alone. And 56 Squadron didn't even re-equip from Spitfires to Tempests until 6 July. (Though Mosquitos, with their long patrol endurance, night capability and very high speed in a shallow dive, did rather better than is commonly realised.) About 2,500 were shot down by the guns. In total about half of all the V-1s fired at London were destroyed by the Allied defences. Khamba Tendal ( talk) 19:49, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
The introduction mentions: "At peak, more than one hundred V-1s a day were fired at south-east England, 9,521 in total, decreasing in number as sites were overrun until October 1944, when the last V-1 site in range of Britain was overrun by Allied forces." This is dubious. The launch sites at the Dutch coast (e.g. The Hague) were not liberated before 5 May 1945, so there must have been an additional reason for the V1 attacks on England to stop in October 1944. Gollem ( talk) 13:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
In that case there is something else wrong with the introduction, as it mentions: "... thousands of V-1 missiles launched into England were fired from launch facilities along the French (Pas-de-Calais) and Dutch coasts." By the way, the extended range V-1s were never used against England? As these came available 4 months after the last V-1 mentioned attack on England. Gollem ( talk) 18:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
In that case the part that mentions "... October 1944, when the last V-1 site in range of Britain was overrun by Allied forces" is wrong/misleading? Since with the extended-range V-1s new sites in Holland became in range of Britain and these were never overrun by Allied forces, but surrendered only when the war was over. Gollem ( talk) 20:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The shorter range improved the accuracy of the V-1 which was six miles deviation per hundred miles of flight, the flight level was also reduced to around 3,000 ft.-- Adûnâi ( talk) 14:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
If my understanding of the numbers is correct, a bit fewer than 10,000 V-1s caused about 25,000 deaths, meaning that an average of 2.5 deaths per bomb. That would seem to make the efficacy of the bomb fairly poor, at least in terms of people killed. (Damage to property being another matter.) Could someone source this information and add it to the article with the proper numbers? If it's there already, it's very well hidden, although I did find the figure of 9,521 total bobms in the lede. Shouldn't the death toll in London be in the lede as well? Beyond My Ken ( talk) 07:40, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
I think the deaths and serious injuries figures now in the article (and discussed above) are closely related to the ones I have given above. What we do not know is the extent of rounding applied or any updating due to later research by other sources. I total my figures as 5,739 deaths (London and outside) and 17,239 seriously injured.
The article may benefit from details of the worst incident, the
Guards Chapel, Wellington Barracks (18 Jun 1944) (which was hit during a service). The casualty figures for this are in the post above, but I note that the article on the chapel gives a different number of injured- but the figure I found was "seriously injured". I recollect hearing that it took 48 hours to dig the last of the survivors out of the rubble - may be worth searching for a good source if that is true.
ThoughtIdRetired (
talk) 15:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
The arado carrying a V1 model is incorrect. It is stated to be the C version, and the wings and motors are correct, but the fuselage and cockpit is a clearly a 2 engined B version. If someone has a correct image could they change it please? Even if it's a drawing would be better than giving incorrect images
It would help perspective as to progress in dealing with the V-1 attacks on London if the date the first person who successfully defused a V-1, John Pilkington Hudson, were given. The date is not given in the wikipedia biography of JPH. Cloptonson ( talk) 12:12, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
on the wikipedia site abount "companies involved in the holocaust" stays
"volkswagen built it"
is that true?
volkswagen is a nazi-corporation. eine firma, ein konzern, ein unternehmen. 2001:9E8:D2EC:9400:6208:7A64:817E:B8CF ( talk) 07:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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Under specifications, it says "Detonation Mechanism: 100". What does that mean? 100 what? Tsuka ( talk) 07:38, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
According to the Operation and effectiveness section, it was “about 1000”. But totting up the number as detailed by plane type later on in the article (Interceptors subsection) the number is far higher. Excluding Tempests, we have about 1300. The number destroyed by Tempests is hard to ascertain from the article (is the *total* 638?). So clearly “about 1000” is very wrong, even though it is referenced.
Also, it would be great to have a summary like this: xxxx were launched at English targets, of which xxxx were destroyed by interceptors and xxxx believed destroyed by anti-aircraft guns. Boscaswell talk 09:18, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Just under 2,000 V-1s (1,954 by the article's figures) were shot down by fighters, a startling 638 by the Tempest Vs of Nos.3, 56 and 486 (New Zealand) Squadrons alone. And 56 Squadron didn't even re-equip from Spitfires to Tempests until 6 July. (Though Mosquitos, with their long patrol endurance, night capability and very high speed in a shallow dive, did rather better than is commonly realised.) About 2,500 were shot down by the guns. In total about half of all the V-1s fired at London were destroyed by the Allied defences. Khamba Tendal ( talk) 19:49, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
The introduction mentions: "At peak, more than one hundred V-1s a day were fired at south-east England, 9,521 in total, decreasing in number as sites were overrun until October 1944, when the last V-1 site in range of Britain was overrun by Allied forces." This is dubious. The launch sites at the Dutch coast (e.g. The Hague) were not liberated before 5 May 1945, so there must have been an additional reason for the V1 attacks on England to stop in October 1944. Gollem ( talk) 13:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
In that case there is something else wrong with the introduction, as it mentions: "... thousands of V-1 missiles launched into England were fired from launch facilities along the French (Pas-de-Calais) and Dutch coasts." By the way, the extended range V-1s were never used against England? As these came available 4 months after the last V-1 mentioned attack on England. Gollem ( talk) 18:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
In that case the part that mentions "... October 1944, when the last V-1 site in range of Britain was overrun by Allied forces" is wrong/misleading? Since with the extended-range V-1s new sites in Holland became in range of Britain and these were never overrun by Allied forces, but surrendered only when the war was over. Gollem ( talk) 20:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The shorter range improved the accuracy of the V-1 which was six miles deviation per hundred miles of flight, the flight level was also reduced to around 3,000 ft.-- Adûnâi ( talk) 14:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
If my understanding of the numbers is correct, a bit fewer than 10,000 V-1s caused about 25,000 deaths, meaning that an average of 2.5 deaths per bomb. That would seem to make the efficacy of the bomb fairly poor, at least in terms of people killed. (Damage to property being another matter.) Could someone source this information and add it to the article with the proper numbers? If it's there already, it's very well hidden, although I did find the figure of 9,521 total bobms in the lede. Shouldn't the death toll in London be in the lede as well? Beyond My Ken ( talk) 07:40, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
I think the deaths and serious injuries figures now in the article (and discussed above) are closely related to the ones I have given above. What we do not know is the extent of rounding applied or any updating due to later research by other sources. I total my figures as 5,739 deaths (London and outside) and 17,239 seriously injured.
The article may benefit from details of the worst incident, the
Guards Chapel, Wellington Barracks (18 Jun 1944) (which was hit during a service). The casualty figures for this are in the post above, but I note that the article on the chapel gives a different number of injured- but the figure I found was "seriously injured". I recollect hearing that it took 48 hours to dig the last of the survivors out of the rubble - may be worth searching for a good source if that is true.
ThoughtIdRetired (
talk) 15:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
The arado carrying a V1 model is incorrect. It is stated to be the C version, and the wings and motors are correct, but the fuselage and cockpit is a clearly a 2 engined B version. If someone has a correct image could they change it please? Even if it's a drawing would be better than giving incorrect images
It would help perspective as to progress in dealing with the V-1 attacks on London if the date the first person who successfully defused a V-1, John Pilkington Hudson, were given. The date is not given in the wikipedia biography of JPH. Cloptonson ( talk) 12:12, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
on the wikipedia site abount "companies involved in the holocaust" stays
"volkswagen built it"
is that true?
volkswagen is a nazi-corporation. eine firma, ein konzern, ein unternehmen. 2001:9E8:D2EC:9400:6208:7A64:817E:B8CF ( talk) 07:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)