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The article would benefit from information about the meaning of the previous name "Uttaranchal". Uttarakhand means "Northern country", but why was the other name adopted? How does its meaning differ from the present one? - Oghmoir 17:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Uttaranchal, like Uttarakhand is also made from two words 'Uttar' meaning north or northern and 'anchal' meaning area, so meaning of both the names is similar. Traditionally the area has been known as Uttarakhand, however, it was named Uttaranchal allegedly to gain political mileage. After renaming of the State similar allegations were made against another political party. -- mānu 08:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
"Uttaranchal" was introduced in 1998 for a bunch of reasons, none of which made coherent sense other than to gain political mileage. Ideologically and geographically, "Anchal" can be seen as a weaker vision of "Khand", and was meant to hijack the Uttarakhand movement. There are many commentaries on this. The change back to Uttarakhand, the ancient name more than two thousand years old, is now permanent 59.94.134.72 02:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
How to deal with the ongoing attempt to use the wikipedia site for promotion of personal web sites? The list order keeps getting modified. Is there any way to rank these? 59.94.134.72 02:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
There are too many External links most of which are NOT worth listing here. Why shouldn't those external links be remove from this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.145.171.197 ( talk) 05:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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If that motto is accurate, then we should add it.
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During the reign of Brihadrata c. 197– 185 BCE., the last ruler of the Mauryan empire, Shakaditya, a king from Kumaon, a part of the Indo-Scythians, Sakas or Shakya, attacked the Mauryan kingdom. Later, Vikramaditya came to the help of Brihadrata and attacked and destroyed Shakaditya, and thus ascended the throne of Delhi in 56 BC, which also marks the beginning of the Vikrama Samvat (Vikrama Era) calendar. [1].
I am trying to find other evidences to corroborate this evidence.( Ekabhishek ( talk) 10:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC))
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I thought that distinction went to College of Engineering, Guindy, in Chennai. Are you entirely sure of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.124.201 ( talk) 18:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC) Yes you are absolutely right that Guindy has the oldest technical institiute in asia. but IIT-roorkee ( earlier Thomason College of Civil Engg.) was the oldest technical institute to award degrees unlike the college in guindy.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.205.128.177 ( talk) 16:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Technically, Hindi and Sanskrit are the only two official languages of Uttarakhand. Please do not add Kumaoni and Garhwali to that list. Apalaria ( talk) 11:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Is there any reason for having Uttaranchal and Uttarakhand be separate articles? They are just different names for the same state; we don't keep different articles for Bombay and Mumbai, or Madras and Chennai. Shreevatsa ( talk) 13:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
It is wrong information that "Uttarakhand" is an ancient or even traditional name or that it finds mention in ancient Hindu scriptures. The only time the term Uttarakhand finds mention in the ancients texts is in Ramayana, and it has nothing to do with the 'Uttarakhand" state.
The term "UttaraKhand" was evolved by the activists of the new state, and it actually refers to the fact that it comprises of the Northern areas of the Uttar Pradesh state (mother state). Just like the activists of the eastern areas are calling their state "Purvanchal." It would be so wrong for anyone to claim that the term "Purvanchal" is an ancient one, and that it finds mention in the scriptures.( Awadhi ( talk) 18:26, 30 July 2011 (UTC))
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The original reviewer went inactive, so I'll take over. The article starts okay, but halfway through the articles gets a lot harder to read and becomes almost entirely unreferenced. As a result this is quickfailed. Make sure everything is cited before re-adding to GAN. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:07, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Wanted to add the reference links to Tehri Dam and Dakpathar Barrage under the heading, Power Sources Gurpreetbhalla ( talk) 02:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
The impact of the British can be added in the History Gurpreetbhalla ( talk) 02:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
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As of December 6, 2006, both houses of the Indian Parliament have approved the change from Uttaranchal to Uttarakhand. This site will need to trade places with the Uttaranchal site, just as every occurence of Uttaranchal will need to be replaced. How do we get the ball rolling? -- Ceti 04:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I am not aware of any declartion/document which states that Dehradun is the provisional capital. I don't think it is right to refer it this way.
Another point is more general in nature. I have noticed that in pages of districts / states coordinates are given as if it is a specific point. Instead its extension should be given. -- mānu 10:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Dehradun is still provisional as no decision has been made about a permanent capital. Various committees have been charged to determine once and for all what will be the process for fixing the capital. Since the new Kandhuri government has come to power, the issue is still pending, owing to the post-election pact with the UKD that charged the government to look into the issue more seriously that the one-man Dixit committee under the former Tiwari government. 59.94.130.221 19:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering why someone changed the article in May 2013 such that it now states that Uttaranchal is the current name of the state and that Uttarakhand was its former name. Uttarakhand is the current name, so that change should be reversed. The user who made that change was also very inconsistent, switching the English names but never changing the name in Devanagari. Additionally, the article reads "Uttaranchal/ˌʉtərɑː khənd/," suggesting that Uttaranchal is pronounced Uttarakhand. It is important to change the article now, because surely many people are looking at this article as a result of the flooding in the region. Thus, I will revert the article back to the previous edit. Wisvishr0 ( talk) 19:50, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Under 'Geography'it is stated that British merchants were responsible for over-logging. This should at least be justified by an authoritative citation or alternatively edited so that the wording is more racially neutral. In 1878, the British Imperial Forest School at Dehra Dun was founded by Dietrich Brandis (German and British foresters used to cooperate well in the Himalaya. I have found contemporary accounts that there were great concerns about over-logging by contractors. Protection of forests, at least partially successful, could by some be thought of as one of the 'good things' of the British Raj. Anyway, it is pleasing to read that to some extent the deforestation is being reversed. I suggest that maybe there is an Indian expert out there somewhere who might edit these one or two sentences a little to improve the NPOV. Dendrotek 16:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dendrotek ( talk • contribs)
Yes I am referring to that sentence. Thank you for replying, I agree that both could be true. But I would ask were the actual merchants or contractors British? Unlikely, I suggest. Is there a citation - this whole aspect of deforestation should be authoritatively cited. It happened before and after independence so why distinguish? Would you like to rewrite a few sentences as I suggested to give it a more NPOV? Dendrotek 10:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dendrotek ( talk • contribs)
I see that this statement about "British log merchants" is still in the Article, despite my having raised it over a year ago. I object - it is racially offensive to me, since I am British and I believe that forestry developments led by we British and indeed by German foresters, based in Oxford, was one of our gifts during the days of the Raj. Furthermore, the merchants themselves were Indian not British, even if working to obtain logs for the railways that - yes those British again - "we" thought might be a good idea for Indian development. Were they (we) correct? I know there were power struggles between different (British) government department too. But that is irrelevant, the foresters did not wish deforestation. I don't need all this explained in this section of the Article, of course, I just want "British" removed from "contractors", and whilst we are at it, a citation around this topic, please.Dendrotek 21:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
I think the list should be removed or at least discussed before being added.Most of the important ones are already mentioned so there looks no need to add the list and the picture of bugyal should also be removed.-- Ayanosh ( talk) 15:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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I am a student at LSU and will be adding more information under the section 2013 Natural Disaster. Bharve9 ( talk) 19:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
A whole section has been added into the Uttarakhand article under the title 2013 Natural Disaster. Suggest that this be summarized and re-directed to the removed as the
2013 North India floods section already covers this extensively.
User:Bharve9 wrote this as a part of his/her coursework.
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I want to add figures and references for the forest fires of 2016 that caused extensive damage to the flora and fauna of Uttarakhand that is currently missing in the last sentence of 'Flora and fauna' section. Rajkamal Goswami ( talk) 17:15, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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The hyperlink given on Kalsi word . .is explaining it as a cast in shikhs... But in the context of Uttarakhand it's a place name which is in Dehradun. Please correct it KAVINDRA SINGH ( talk) 04:17, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
@ Hemant Dabral: Why have you restored a duplicate table in infobox when it is already present in "Flora and fauna" section? The removal of IAST is supported by a discussion at WT:INB which overrides any local consensus at article level. — Gazoth ( talk) 19:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
The article currently states that the official name of the state is "State of Uttarakhand". I am unable to find anything reliable on this, from what I know Indian states do not have "official names" even India doesn't (see Talk:India/Archive 42#Official name of India) and no other state is describes as such for that matter. Neither does the website of the state describe any official name. While all states are appended with "State of" in legal cases they aren't their official names.
For these reasons I am currently removing this. Gotitbro ( talk) 07:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
I've rewritten parts of the languages section. The major changes are:
Oppose: 1. The pie chart and data below is as per 2011 Census of India for what is officially categorised and considered a language in the census. Since this demographic section is not about "mother tongues" but languages and the fact is already mentioned in the section that these Pahari languages are included as variants of Hindi language according to the census data. There is no need to display them exclusively either as a "mother tongue" or a "language" in pie chart and language section. Same goes for the Maithili and Tharu languages.
2. Every ethnic Garhwali/Kumaoni/Jaunsari person is not a native Garhwali/Kumaoni/Jaunsari language speaker by default and even among those who are native speakers of Pahari languages, a majority of them are in fact bilingual in Hindi and their respective Pahari languages. The linguistics arguement for not lumping these Pahari languages together into Hindi language and mentioning their separate linguistic category is already explained in their respective language articles.
3. The term "idiosyncratic constructs" you came up with, might be your own personal opinion and understanding about the language issue here. Which may or may not reflect the opinion of others, hence a subjective and debatable notion. — Hemant Dabral Talk 16:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Well, if our personal opinions and understandings differ, then what we do is turn to the sources. I've had a look at the standard reference works:
If virtually all reliable sources treat Garhwali and Kumaoni as distinct languages, and if our our own wikipedia articles do so as well, then I can't see how this article here could treat them as dialects. We should aim for WP:NPOV across the board; we can't have a situation where this part of the encyclopedia represents one point of view while that part there represents another.
As for the census, there's nothing "official" in the way it groups languages. Yes, Hindi is an official language of the state, and that means it's used in all higher domains (but I thought the version of the article you reverted was saying just as much). Hindi's official status doesn't imply any relation between it and the other languages spoken in the state. Besides, the census results are WP:PRIMARY sources; it's OK to use them when relevant, but there's no way we can follow their categorisation if it's contradicted by the secondary sources. Personally, I don't think there's a need to use the census at all – I had used the language figures from there mostly because you had earlier objected to my removal of the census-based pie chart. To be completely clear, I wouldn't object if it's remove again – the figures are certainly more reliable than in neighbouring HP, but it's probably still likely that a substantial percentage of those identified their language as "Hindi" are actually L1 speakers of the regional languages.
Of course, it's possible to mention in the article that the local Indo-Aryan languages are sometimes referred to as "Hindi dialects", but we can't do that without a somewhat lengthy discussion of what exactly this means and why it's inaccurate given the usual meanings of these words. I think such a discussion would be beyond the scope of such a broad article. – Uanfala (talk) 18:30, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
And what about Urdu? According to ethnologue and glottolog, Hindi and Urdu are the two registers of the same language Hindustani, so are we going to replace the stats for Hindi and Urdu in favour of Hindustani for more scientific and linguistically correct version? A common protocol has to be set for editing them all as per WP:CONSISTENT. — Hemant Dabral Talk 00:53, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello editors, I will be updating economy section with latest figures. Probably 2018-19 figures. Thank you.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 17:23, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
In this edit to the article on Uttarakhand, IP editor 106.223.187.21 alleged that the photograph of the Chanchari dance was a copyright violation. Please can they provide evidence to support this.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:29, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Prolix: Thank you for your message. However, I have one concern about this montage in particular. The tiny images are large margins such as those in the current montage should be avoided, as many readers may find them difficult to see and identify. In contrast, montages should also not be too overbearing and oversized, that they take the focus away from the text and rest of the page as well as potentially causing formatting and accessibility problems on other devices. Therefore, I removed the bottom image and slightly tweaked the size so it'll work in everyone's favor. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:25, 08:09, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, I would like to propose an improved collage for the infobox since the current collage is of very low quality and is a static image instead of the standard amalgamation of multiple images which hinders replaceability and overall quality. I would like to suggest that the following set of images as seen in this sample infobox be used for the collage. I request all editors to voice their opinions regarding the proposed change. Thank you. Prolix 💬 17:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
As for the infobox going longer, I could remove some of the info from the state symbol infobox such as traditional/unofficial symbols and the Emblem, Song/Anthem, Motto(s), Language(s) and Nickname(s) since these are already mentioned in the header of state infobox at top. — Hemant Dabral ( 📞 • ✒) 22:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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at the bottom which would reduce the size of the collage significantly.
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04:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)I'd also suggest you to add more pictures from Kumaon region in the montage. Most of the current pictures are from Garhwal region, there should be equal representation from both regions of the state. You can add landmark pictures of Nainital, Almora, Jageshwar etc.— Hemant Dabral ( 📞 • ✒) 06:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Can we also include pictures of Sikh pilgrimage destinations such as Hemkund, Nanakmatta? These places are well known and should get a place in your collage too. Binsarhills ( talk) 05:47, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Hemant Dabral, sure let's do that. Binsarhills ( talk) 06:24, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, why are we presenting two pictures of Himalayas? Let's replace one of them with the Chakrata, as it would represent the Jaunsari community too. Why resort to Kumaon and Garhwal only? Binsarhills ( talk) 06:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Hemant Dabral, we can also add Meetha Reetha sahib, it has a very interesting story if you read it. Guru Nanak visited it too. Binsarhills ( talk) 06:29, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Well, Hemkund Sahib, Reetha sahib, nanakmatta are well known Sikh pilgrimage destination. The dargah you mentioned, I heard it's name for the first time also, I don't think that it gets as many pilgrims. Please note that I am not anti-secular. Infact, being a Brahmin, my mom used to take me to dargahs every week. Then, we shouldn't solely add the pictures of Hindu pilgrimage destinations. Binsarhills ( talk) 11:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
We do have Nanakmatta sahib. And, we can look for some copyright free images or someone amongst us may just contribute. Binsarhills ( talk) 11:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
It appears that there are no other issues with the infobox collage at the moment and appropriate suggestions have been incorporated. Therefore, I will be replacing the infobox collage with the suggested images. Thank you all for contributing to this discussion
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The images in the infobox include four (out of six total) images of Hindu pilgrimage site. I propose that one of these be replaced with an image of a non-Hindu site, for which I propose Hemkunt Sahib, which is a Sikh gurdwara in the vicinity of a lake considered holy by both Sikhs and Hindus. This was also suggested by other editors but not followed through. I make the case for Hemkunt instead of other non-Hindu sites for three reasons: one, it is one of the most famous pilgrimages in the state; two, it is the most famous non-Hindu pilgrimage site in the state; and three, it is one of the most famous Gurudwaras in the world and the highest altitude Gurudwara in the world. I’ve searched commons and found the below two to be suitable for inclusion, though if a better image exists it should be chosen:
Unpetitprole ( talk) 00:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
The current version of the article claims there are about 18,000 species of plants found in the state. This is an unreasonably high number. It's sourced to this paper, of visibly low quality, which gives this figure not for Uttarakhand, but for Garhwal. It cites a few sources, and I was able to easily locate one of them. Yes, it gives the comparable figure of 18,440, but guess what, it's not for the state but for the whole of the Indian Himalayas. So, I'm going to remove the whole sentence, though it would be nice if someone located something reliable on this topic. – Uanfala (talk) 01:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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The article would benefit from information about the meaning of the previous name "Uttaranchal". Uttarakhand means "Northern country", but why was the other name adopted? How does its meaning differ from the present one? - Oghmoir 17:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Uttaranchal, like Uttarakhand is also made from two words 'Uttar' meaning north or northern and 'anchal' meaning area, so meaning of both the names is similar. Traditionally the area has been known as Uttarakhand, however, it was named Uttaranchal allegedly to gain political mileage. After renaming of the State similar allegations were made against another political party. -- mānu 08:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
"Uttaranchal" was introduced in 1998 for a bunch of reasons, none of which made coherent sense other than to gain political mileage. Ideologically and geographically, "Anchal" can be seen as a weaker vision of "Khand", and was meant to hijack the Uttarakhand movement. There are many commentaries on this. The change back to Uttarakhand, the ancient name more than two thousand years old, is now permanent 59.94.134.72 02:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
How to deal with the ongoing attempt to use the wikipedia site for promotion of personal web sites? The list order keeps getting modified. Is there any way to rank these? 59.94.134.72 02:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
There are too many External links most of which are NOT worth listing here. Why shouldn't those external links be remove from this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.145.171.197 ( talk) 05:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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During the reign of Brihadrata c. 197– 185 BCE., the last ruler of the Mauryan empire, Shakaditya, a king from Kumaon, a part of the Indo-Scythians, Sakas or Shakya, attacked the Mauryan kingdom. Later, Vikramaditya came to the help of Brihadrata and attacked and destroyed Shakaditya, and thus ascended the throne of Delhi in 56 BC, which also marks the beginning of the Vikrama Samvat (Vikrama Era) calendar. [1].
I am trying to find other evidences to corroborate this evidence.( Ekabhishek ( talk) 10:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC))
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I thought that distinction went to College of Engineering, Guindy, in Chennai. Are you entirely sure of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.124.201 ( talk) 18:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC) Yes you are absolutely right that Guindy has the oldest technical institiute in asia. but IIT-roorkee ( earlier Thomason College of Civil Engg.) was the oldest technical institute to award degrees unlike the college in guindy.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.205.128.177 ( talk) 16:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Technically, Hindi and Sanskrit are the only two official languages of Uttarakhand. Please do not add Kumaoni and Garhwali to that list. Apalaria ( talk) 11:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Is there any reason for having Uttaranchal and Uttarakhand be separate articles? They are just different names for the same state; we don't keep different articles for Bombay and Mumbai, or Madras and Chennai. Shreevatsa ( talk) 13:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
It is wrong information that "Uttarakhand" is an ancient or even traditional name or that it finds mention in ancient Hindu scriptures. The only time the term Uttarakhand finds mention in the ancients texts is in Ramayana, and it has nothing to do with the 'Uttarakhand" state.
The term "UttaraKhand" was evolved by the activists of the new state, and it actually refers to the fact that it comprises of the Northern areas of the Uttar Pradesh state (mother state). Just like the activists of the eastern areas are calling their state "Purvanchal." It would be so wrong for anyone to claim that the term "Purvanchal" is an ancient one, and that it finds mention in the scriptures.( Awadhi ( talk) 18:26, 30 July 2011 (UTC))
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The original reviewer went inactive, so I'll take over. The article starts okay, but halfway through the articles gets a lot harder to read and becomes almost entirely unreferenced. As a result this is quickfailed. Make sure everything is cited before re-adding to GAN. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:07, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Wanted to add the reference links to Tehri Dam and Dakpathar Barrage under the heading, Power Sources Gurpreetbhalla ( talk) 02:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
The impact of the British can be added in the History Gurpreetbhalla ( talk) 02:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
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As of December 6, 2006, both houses of the Indian Parliament have approved the change from Uttaranchal to Uttarakhand. This site will need to trade places with the Uttaranchal site, just as every occurence of Uttaranchal will need to be replaced. How do we get the ball rolling? -- Ceti 04:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I am not aware of any declartion/document which states that Dehradun is the provisional capital. I don't think it is right to refer it this way.
Another point is more general in nature. I have noticed that in pages of districts / states coordinates are given as if it is a specific point. Instead its extension should be given. -- mānu 10:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Dehradun is still provisional as no decision has been made about a permanent capital. Various committees have been charged to determine once and for all what will be the process for fixing the capital. Since the new Kandhuri government has come to power, the issue is still pending, owing to the post-election pact with the UKD that charged the government to look into the issue more seriously that the one-man Dixit committee under the former Tiwari government. 59.94.130.221 19:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering why someone changed the article in May 2013 such that it now states that Uttaranchal is the current name of the state and that Uttarakhand was its former name. Uttarakhand is the current name, so that change should be reversed. The user who made that change was also very inconsistent, switching the English names but never changing the name in Devanagari. Additionally, the article reads "Uttaranchal/ˌʉtərɑː khənd/," suggesting that Uttaranchal is pronounced Uttarakhand. It is important to change the article now, because surely many people are looking at this article as a result of the flooding in the region. Thus, I will revert the article back to the previous edit. Wisvishr0 ( talk) 19:50, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Under 'Geography'it is stated that British merchants were responsible for over-logging. This should at least be justified by an authoritative citation or alternatively edited so that the wording is more racially neutral. In 1878, the British Imperial Forest School at Dehra Dun was founded by Dietrich Brandis (German and British foresters used to cooperate well in the Himalaya. I have found contemporary accounts that there were great concerns about over-logging by contractors. Protection of forests, at least partially successful, could by some be thought of as one of the 'good things' of the British Raj. Anyway, it is pleasing to read that to some extent the deforestation is being reversed. I suggest that maybe there is an Indian expert out there somewhere who might edit these one or two sentences a little to improve the NPOV. Dendrotek 16:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dendrotek ( talk • contribs)
Yes I am referring to that sentence. Thank you for replying, I agree that both could be true. But I would ask were the actual merchants or contractors British? Unlikely, I suggest. Is there a citation - this whole aspect of deforestation should be authoritatively cited. It happened before and after independence so why distinguish? Would you like to rewrite a few sentences as I suggested to give it a more NPOV? Dendrotek 10:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dendrotek ( talk • contribs)
I see that this statement about "British log merchants" is still in the Article, despite my having raised it over a year ago. I object - it is racially offensive to me, since I am British and I believe that forestry developments led by we British and indeed by German foresters, based in Oxford, was one of our gifts during the days of the Raj. Furthermore, the merchants themselves were Indian not British, even if working to obtain logs for the railways that - yes those British again - "we" thought might be a good idea for Indian development. Were they (we) correct? I know there were power struggles between different (British) government department too. But that is irrelevant, the foresters did not wish deforestation. I don't need all this explained in this section of the Article, of course, I just want "British" removed from "contractors", and whilst we are at it, a citation around this topic, please.Dendrotek 21:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
I think the list should be removed or at least discussed before being added.Most of the important ones are already mentioned so there looks no need to add the list and the picture of bugyal should also be removed.-- Ayanosh ( talk) 15:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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I am a student at LSU and will be adding more information under the section 2013 Natural Disaster. Bharve9 ( talk) 19:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
A whole section has been added into the Uttarakhand article under the title 2013 Natural Disaster. Suggest that this be summarized and re-directed to the removed as the
2013 North India floods section already covers this extensively.
User:Bharve9 wrote this as a part of his/her coursework.
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I want to add figures and references for the forest fires of 2016 that caused extensive damage to the flora and fauna of Uttarakhand that is currently missing in the last sentence of 'Flora and fauna' section. Rajkamal Goswami ( talk) 17:15, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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The hyperlink given on Kalsi word . .is explaining it as a cast in shikhs... But in the context of Uttarakhand it's a place name which is in Dehradun. Please correct it KAVINDRA SINGH ( talk) 04:17, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
@ Hemant Dabral: Why have you restored a duplicate table in infobox when it is already present in "Flora and fauna" section? The removal of IAST is supported by a discussion at WT:INB which overrides any local consensus at article level. — Gazoth ( talk) 19:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
The article currently states that the official name of the state is "State of Uttarakhand". I am unable to find anything reliable on this, from what I know Indian states do not have "official names" even India doesn't (see Talk:India/Archive 42#Official name of India) and no other state is describes as such for that matter. Neither does the website of the state describe any official name. While all states are appended with "State of" in legal cases they aren't their official names.
For these reasons I am currently removing this. Gotitbro ( talk) 07:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
I've rewritten parts of the languages section. The major changes are:
Oppose: 1. The pie chart and data below is as per 2011 Census of India for what is officially categorised and considered a language in the census. Since this demographic section is not about "mother tongues" but languages and the fact is already mentioned in the section that these Pahari languages are included as variants of Hindi language according to the census data. There is no need to display them exclusively either as a "mother tongue" or a "language" in pie chart and language section. Same goes for the Maithili and Tharu languages.
2. Every ethnic Garhwali/Kumaoni/Jaunsari person is not a native Garhwali/Kumaoni/Jaunsari language speaker by default and even among those who are native speakers of Pahari languages, a majority of them are in fact bilingual in Hindi and their respective Pahari languages. The linguistics arguement for not lumping these Pahari languages together into Hindi language and mentioning their separate linguistic category is already explained in their respective language articles.
3. The term "idiosyncratic constructs" you came up with, might be your own personal opinion and understanding about the language issue here. Which may or may not reflect the opinion of others, hence a subjective and debatable notion. — Hemant Dabral Talk 16:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Well, if our personal opinions and understandings differ, then what we do is turn to the sources. I've had a look at the standard reference works:
If virtually all reliable sources treat Garhwali and Kumaoni as distinct languages, and if our our own wikipedia articles do so as well, then I can't see how this article here could treat them as dialects. We should aim for WP:NPOV across the board; we can't have a situation where this part of the encyclopedia represents one point of view while that part there represents another.
As for the census, there's nothing "official" in the way it groups languages. Yes, Hindi is an official language of the state, and that means it's used in all higher domains (but I thought the version of the article you reverted was saying just as much). Hindi's official status doesn't imply any relation between it and the other languages spoken in the state. Besides, the census results are WP:PRIMARY sources; it's OK to use them when relevant, but there's no way we can follow their categorisation if it's contradicted by the secondary sources. Personally, I don't think there's a need to use the census at all – I had used the language figures from there mostly because you had earlier objected to my removal of the census-based pie chart. To be completely clear, I wouldn't object if it's remove again – the figures are certainly more reliable than in neighbouring HP, but it's probably still likely that a substantial percentage of those identified their language as "Hindi" are actually L1 speakers of the regional languages.
Of course, it's possible to mention in the article that the local Indo-Aryan languages are sometimes referred to as "Hindi dialects", but we can't do that without a somewhat lengthy discussion of what exactly this means and why it's inaccurate given the usual meanings of these words. I think such a discussion would be beyond the scope of such a broad article. – Uanfala (talk) 18:30, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
And what about Urdu? According to ethnologue and glottolog, Hindi and Urdu are the two registers of the same language Hindustani, so are we going to replace the stats for Hindi and Urdu in favour of Hindustani for more scientific and linguistically correct version? A common protocol has to be set for editing them all as per WP:CONSISTENT. — Hemant Dabral Talk 00:53, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello editors, I will be updating economy section with latest figures. Probably 2018-19 figures. Thank you.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 17:23, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
In this edit to the article on Uttarakhand, IP editor 106.223.187.21 alleged that the photograph of the Chanchari dance was a copyright violation. Please can they provide evidence to support this.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:29, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Prolix: Thank you for your message. However, I have one concern about this montage in particular. The tiny images are large margins such as those in the current montage should be avoided, as many readers may find them difficult to see and identify. In contrast, montages should also not be too overbearing and oversized, that they take the focus away from the text and rest of the page as well as potentially causing formatting and accessibility problems on other devices. Therefore, I removed the bottom image and slightly tweaked the size so it'll work in everyone's favor. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:25, 08:09, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, I would like to propose an improved collage for the infobox since the current collage is of very low quality and is a static image instead of the standard amalgamation of multiple images which hinders replaceability and overall quality. I would like to suggest that the following set of images as seen in this sample infobox be used for the collage. I request all editors to voice their opinions regarding the proposed change. Thank you. Prolix 💬 17:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
As for the infobox going longer, I could remove some of the info from the state symbol infobox such as traditional/unofficial symbols and the Emblem, Song/Anthem, Motto(s), Language(s) and Nickname(s) since these are already mentioned in the header of state infobox at top. — Hemant Dabral ( 📞 • ✒) 22:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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at the bottom which would reduce the size of the collage significantly.
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04:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)I'd also suggest you to add more pictures from Kumaon region in the montage. Most of the current pictures are from Garhwal region, there should be equal representation from both regions of the state. You can add landmark pictures of Nainital, Almora, Jageshwar etc.— Hemant Dabral ( 📞 • ✒) 06:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Can we also include pictures of Sikh pilgrimage destinations such as Hemkund, Nanakmatta? These places are well known and should get a place in your collage too. Binsarhills ( talk) 05:47, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Hemant Dabral, sure let's do that. Binsarhills ( talk) 06:24, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, why are we presenting two pictures of Himalayas? Let's replace one of them with the Chakrata, as it would represent the Jaunsari community too. Why resort to Kumaon and Garhwal only? Binsarhills ( talk) 06:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Hemant Dabral, we can also add Meetha Reetha sahib, it has a very interesting story if you read it. Guru Nanak visited it too. Binsarhills ( talk) 06:29, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Well, Hemkund Sahib, Reetha sahib, nanakmatta are well known Sikh pilgrimage destination. The dargah you mentioned, I heard it's name for the first time also, I don't think that it gets as many pilgrims. Please note that I am not anti-secular. Infact, being a Brahmin, my mom used to take me to dargahs every week. Then, we shouldn't solely add the pictures of Hindu pilgrimage destinations. Binsarhills ( talk) 11:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
We do have Nanakmatta sahib. And, we can look for some copyright free images or someone amongst us may just contribute. Binsarhills ( talk) 11:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
It appears that there are no other issues with the infobox collage at the moment and appropriate suggestions have been incorporated. Therefore, I will be replacing the infobox collage with the suggested images. Thank you all for contributing to this discussion
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The images in the infobox include four (out of six total) images of Hindu pilgrimage site. I propose that one of these be replaced with an image of a non-Hindu site, for which I propose Hemkunt Sahib, which is a Sikh gurdwara in the vicinity of a lake considered holy by both Sikhs and Hindus. This was also suggested by other editors but not followed through. I make the case for Hemkunt instead of other non-Hindu sites for three reasons: one, it is one of the most famous pilgrimages in the state; two, it is the most famous non-Hindu pilgrimage site in the state; and three, it is one of the most famous Gurudwaras in the world and the highest altitude Gurudwara in the world. I’ve searched commons and found the below two to be suitable for inclusion, though if a better image exists it should be chosen:
Unpetitprole ( talk) 00:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
The current version of the article claims there are about 18,000 species of plants found in the state. This is an unreasonably high number. It's sourced to this paper, of visibly low quality, which gives this figure not for Uttarakhand, but for Garhwal. It cites a few sources, and I was able to easily locate one of them. Yes, it gives the comparable figure of 18,440, but guess what, it's not for the state but for the whole of the Indian Himalayas. So, I'm going to remove the whole sentence, though it would be nice if someone located something reliable on this topic. – Uanfala (talk) 01:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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