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Alright in this series there are basically humans with the fox ears and without the ears. I noticed that basically everyone is reffered to as human. But is there a name for the fox eared people. -- Psi edit 03:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Fox ears? As far as I know, everyone has furry ears. Some just cover them up with cloth. - Raijinili 04:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Hokuoro doesnt have the ears, Oboro has elve-like ears, Benawi has normal ears, Eruruuu's people have the ears (Males have the ears, Females have the ears and tail), I really would just like to point this out in the article. -- Psi edit 13:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm willing to believe you, but I don't see proof that their ears are not pointed. Which isn't furry, so I was wrong. - Raijinili 05:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
1- "As far as I know, the anime/game does not give a special name to people with animal ears. - There are names for the different races(?) which each have different ears/tails/things. Touka/Genjimaru- Evenkuruga, Karura/Whatshisnameherbrother- Girigisomething, forgot the rest.
2- "Why do these people have animal ears?" - One of the scientists who made them probably had a kemonomimi fetish.w
Omgwtflolz
10:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
This is already the second time we've had to correct people on this. I admit myself, the first time I saw them I thought they were female, but I know now they're male.-- Juhachi 04:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Make that three times we've had to change it. This is seriously getting annoying. <_<-- Juhachi 02:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Find someone to translate this http://nrvnqsr.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=amg&action=display&thread=1142064836&page=8#1147504879 What is this link you ask? Screencaps from the game proving they are boys! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Juhachi ( talk • contribs) 01:46, 28 July 2006.
They're actually probably the result of klinefelter's syndrome or similar- as they display female-only traits but are otherwise male. For example, in the Utawarerumono world, only females have tails, but Dori and Guru clearly do. So, their gender is more of questionable than anything. -- ktemkin 19:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I really think that the producers of the anime wanted to make them females as opposed to their original gender in the game version. There's two scenes in the anime that seem to point them out as females. In episode 6, when the peddler was showing off his wares, he said something about jewelry that would look good on women. Now, it may be that he mistook them to be girls but then the twins tried on some of the jewelry as if it was their cue after what the peddler said. The other scene is also in the same episode and actually, the screenshot can be seen directly in that link. While what the peddler was saying may also have been his ignorance or whatever so the second scene is more ambigious I guess. Of course, the twins could just enjoy cross-dressing... but highly unlikely (POV) since the setting of the story takes place a long time ago, they are quite skilled in archery (meaning that they are war-hardened and probably do not have the time to do hobbies), and they were presumingly brought up by Tsukuru (primary) and Oboro. If you don't like how people keep rewriting them to be females based on the anime, then perhaps (if only as a temporary measure) add a section under the twins indicating that in the anime, it is possible that they were cast as females. And when someone asks the directors of the anime directly about their gender, then we can know for sure. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.114.183 ( talk • contribs) 22:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC).
I just recalled, I may have something, in episode 12 the twins lay out a plan telling the group how they searched, and they reffered to themselves as 'bokutachi' now, I'm no expert on Japanese, but isn't boku usually used by guys? red storm
In episode 17 of the television series, there is a very definite scene that identifies Dori and Gura's sexuality... namely, they sleep with Oboro. They're girls, no question. Unless Oboro is homosexual or gay... there is still no evidence that they are male or female...
Shouldn't this be discussed in the Talk page? Anyway, can't be bothered translating the entire scene, but in short, in the game, Hakuoro makes a comment about 'those twin girls', and Oboro tells Hakuoro that they are actually boys.
Watch episode 17 closely: They have tails. Only females have tails!
And of course you watched anime closely, where many anonymous males in uprising also had tails, so does Genjimaru. Now stop dreaming and accept the fact: only canonical statement about their gender is they, and Oboro, said that they're indeed boys in game.
Aside, don't you see how stupid it is to say it might just be different in anime? How would you think if you see, say, Wolverine in X-Men suddenly became female in movie adaption? You're basically saying the same thing.
Slept with Oboro? Would you suddenly turn into girl if you sleep with other male? Surely you've experienced that once when you were a child, you had some nap with your dad or someone close?
In episode 17 of the anime series, there's a scene (a flashback, to be specific, of the night before), that Oboro gives, where he spends time with Dori and Gura (and Oboro is drinking, with Dori and Gura serving him sake), and that they all sleep together at the end. The fact that they all sleep together seems pretty solid that Dori and Gura are girls in the anime. Further, you can see in the sleeping scene the difference in upper muscle tone and skin color, in comparison to Oboro's (his skin is slightly darker, and his upper arm muscles are larger than Dori's or Gura's). You can even be able to point at the covering of the blanket in the sleeping scene for support that Dori and Gura are girls. For Oboro, the blanket only covers his genetalia, leaving his chest exposed; in comparison, for both Dori and Gura, the blanket covers both areas. If Dori and Gura were both male, there would be no particular reason to cover the chest area, and the blanket could be shifted downwards.
Although the game explicitly states that Dori is male, the anime has pretty solid support for both Dori and Gura being female. -- Prologician 22:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
There's really nothing in episode 17 to declare them absolutely as female. One, their androgeny seems just to be a way to mess with the viewers, so now everyone has to wonder about Oboro too. The placement of the blanket really does nothing to confirm gender. The article should not state that they are female in the anime until it is more clear.-- 24.171.105.2 23:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the Scene in Episode 17 happens in the game too, where they have already been explicitly defined as male. Oboro describes it (excuse my loose translation) as: "The twins kept giving me more sake. ('More sake, wakasama?') until we were all quite drunk. There was then much horesplay, and we all lost our clothes, and all woke up naked, much to our embarrasment.'" See: http://api.ktemkin.com/images/dorigura_stillguys.PNG Since this happened in both the game and the Anime, there's not any strong reason to suspect that the animators changed Dori and Gura to girls. Ktemkin
Dori and Gura don't help kidnap Hakuoro. THEY ARE THUS NOT FEMALE. >_> -- Raijinili 21:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Another evidence from Utawarerumono Radio #4 (7/28):
Koyama(Hakuoro VC) said in opening talk of Challange DoriGura: "Dori and Gura are a pair of twin brothers, and..." —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
222.159.235.47 (
talk •
contribs)
14:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC).
Developer's Q&A that announces the differences between DVD release and Original PC states that...
Hakuoro Effect - When a female unit is in hexes around Hakuoro, she receives 25% bonus to offence and an enemy tries to attack her will get -25% penalty to offence. It should be noted that Dori and Gura are not female.
This effectively proves that (at least in game) they're male from begining.
Even more funny is that they gets their bonus from Oboro instead... *giggle* -
58.0.211.214
12:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Its funny that a person as strong as karura is a slave. in episode 10, where she is introduced, she manages to break her chains, escape from the ship and kill its crew with her bare hands. How was such a strong <<and very attractive both physically and personality wise>> girl enslaved? Another comment she makes that her slave collar cannot be removed, when she could probably remoe it herself is interesting.... maybe she willingly accepted slavery in exchange for something? also her interactions with Urutori, who happens to be a big official, indicate that Karura was probably a very important offical herself, before she became a slave. I request the people familiar with the story/game etc to clariy me on this and if possible to provide karuras back story ^^ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.226.15.134 ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC).
FOR GOD'S SAKE. Putting a spoiler warning at the START OF AN ARTICLE DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN PUT THE BIGGEST SPOILER FOR THE WHOLE GOD DAMN GAME RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT PAGE. PEOPLE SEE IT BEFORE THEY CAN CLICK AWAY. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.69.92 ( talk • contribs) 13:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC).
Dorii and Guraa are main characters, and Mikoto and Mutsumi aren't? Very smart. Omgwtflolz 23:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Eruru and Aruru are mentioned in the backstory section. I seem to recall that the Eruru and Aruru from the series were named after their ancestors with the same names - if I have recollected correctly, is is this pair of sisters referred to here? Shiroi Hane 18:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
{{spoiler}}
{{endspoiler}}
Pretty positive Utawarerumono has nothing to do with the american TV character. Removing references to this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ztella ( talk • contribs) 19:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC).
When romanizing the names, it's best to keep to the ISO standard (ISO 3602, Kunrei-shiki romanization) rather than reverting back to Hepburn. Hence, the kana RU+U would result in Ruu, and not Rū.
This also increases the ease of understanding the article, as many fansub groups and even parts of the Utawareru Mono web site write the names this way when using romaji. Ktemkin 20:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Any opinions on the romanization of these seven kana? Technically, they're two words, Utawareru (a form of to sing) and Mono (Thing), making "The Thing Being Sung" or "The One Being Sung". So, should we keep it Utawarerumono despite the fact that it's easier to understand as its two component words? Ktemkin 07:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The Avu-Kamuu are not mechas, considering mechs stand for mechanical robots. While they do resemble mechas, they are instead living suits of near-impenetrable armor, and not mechas at all. Please use the correct name of 'avu-kamuu' instead of 'mechas' in episode summaries. Ktemkin 17:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
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Alright in this series there are basically humans with the fox ears and without the ears. I noticed that basically everyone is reffered to as human. But is there a name for the fox eared people. -- Psi edit 03:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Fox ears? As far as I know, everyone has furry ears. Some just cover them up with cloth. - Raijinili 04:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Hokuoro doesnt have the ears, Oboro has elve-like ears, Benawi has normal ears, Eruruuu's people have the ears (Males have the ears, Females have the ears and tail), I really would just like to point this out in the article. -- Psi edit 13:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm willing to believe you, but I don't see proof that their ears are not pointed. Which isn't furry, so I was wrong. - Raijinili 05:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
1- "As far as I know, the anime/game does not give a special name to people with animal ears. - There are names for the different races(?) which each have different ears/tails/things. Touka/Genjimaru- Evenkuruga, Karura/Whatshisnameherbrother- Girigisomething, forgot the rest.
2- "Why do these people have animal ears?" - One of the scientists who made them probably had a kemonomimi fetish.w
Omgwtflolz
10:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
This is already the second time we've had to correct people on this. I admit myself, the first time I saw them I thought they were female, but I know now they're male.-- Juhachi 04:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Make that three times we've had to change it. This is seriously getting annoying. <_<-- Juhachi 02:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Find someone to translate this http://nrvnqsr.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=amg&action=display&thread=1142064836&page=8#1147504879 What is this link you ask? Screencaps from the game proving they are boys! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Juhachi ( talk • contribs) 01:46, 28 July 2006.
They're actually probably the result of klinefelter's syndrome or similar- as they display female-only traits but are otherwise male. For example, in the Utawarerumono world, only females have tails, but Dori and Guru clearly do. So, their gender is more of questionable than anything. -- ktemkin 19:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I really think that the producers of the anime wanted to make them females as opposed to their original gender in the game version. There's two scenes in the anime that seem to point them out as females. In episode 6, when the peddler was showing off his wares, he said something about jewelry that would look good on women. Now, it may be that he mistook them to be girls but then the twins tried on some of the jewelry as if it was their cue after what the peddler said. The other scene is also in the same episode and actually, the screenshot can be seen directly in that link. While what the peddler was saying may also have been his ignorance or whatever so the second scene is more ambigious I guess. Of course, the twins could just enjoy cross-dressing... but highly unlikely (POV) since the setting of the story takes place a long time ago, they are quite skilled in archery (meaning that they are war-hardened and probably do not have the time to do hobbies), and they were presumingly brought up by Tsukuru (primary) and Oboro. If you don't like how people keep rewriting them to be females based on the anime, then perhaps (if only as a temporary measure) add a section under the twins indicating that in the anime, it is possible that they were cast as females. And when someone asks the directors of the anime directly about their gender, then we can know for sure. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.114.183 ( talk • contribs) 22:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC).
I just recalled, I may have something, in episode 12 the twins lay out a plan telling the group how they searched, and they reffered to themselves as 'bokutachi' now, I'm no expert on Japanese, but isn't boku usually used by guys? red storm
In episode 17 of the television series, there is a very definite scene that identifies Dori and Gura's sexuality... namely, they sleep with Oboro. They're girls, no question. Unless Oboro is homosexual or gay... there is still no evidence that they are male or female...
Shouldn't this be discussed in the Talk page? Anyway, can't be bothered translating the entire scene, but in short, in the game, Hakuoro makes a comment about 'those twin girls', and Oboro tells Hakuoro that they are actually boys.
Watch episode 17 closely: They have tails. Only females have tails!
And of course you watched anime closely, where many anonymous males in uprising also had tails, so does Genjimaru. Now stop dreaming and accept the fact: only canonical statement about their gender is they, and Oboro, said that they're indeed boys in game.
Aside, don't you see how stupid it is to say it might just be different in anime? How would you think if you see, say, Wolverine in X-Men suddenly became female in movie adaption? You're basically saying the same thing.
Slept with Oboro? Would you suddenly turn into girl if you sleep with other male? Surely you've experienced that once when you were a child, you had some nap with your dad or someone close?
In episode 17 of the anime series, there's a scene (a flashback, to be specific, of the night before), that Oboro gives, where he spends time with Dori and Gura (and Oboro is drinking, with Dori and Gura serving him sake), and that they all sleep together at the end. The fact that they all sleep together seems pretty solid that Dori and Gura are girls in the anime. Further, you can see in the sleeping scene the difference in upper muscle tone and skin color, in comparison to Oboro's (his skin is slightly darker, and his upper arm muscles are larger than Dori's or Gura's). You can even be able to point at the covering of the blanket in the sleeping scene for support that Dori and Gura are girls. For Oboro, the blanket only covers his genetalia, leaving his chest exposed; in comparison, for both Dori and Gura, the blanket covers both areas. If Dori and Gura were both male, there would be no particular reason to cover the chest area, and the blanket could be shifted downwards.
Although the game explicitly states that Dori is male, the anime has pretty solid support for both Dori and Gura being female. -- Prologician 22:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
There's really nothing in episode 17 to declare them absolutely as female. One, their androgeny seems just to be a way to mess with the viewers, so now everyone has to wonder about Oboro too. The placement of the blanket really does nothing to confirm gender. The article should not state that they are female in the anime until it is more clear.-- 24.171.105.2 23:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the Scene in Episode 17 happens in the game too, where they have already been explicitly defined as male. Oboro describes it (excuse my loose translation) as: "The twins kept giving me more sake. ('More sake, wakasama?') until we were all quite drunk. There was then much horesplay, and we all lost our clothes, and all woke up naked, much to our embarrasment.'" See: http://api.ktemkin.com/images/dorigura_stillguys.PNG Since this happened in both the game and the Anime, there's not any strong reason to suspect that the animators changed Dori and Gura to girls. Ktemkin
Dori and Gura don't help kidnap Hakuoro. THEY ARE THUS NOT FEMALE. >_> -- Raijinili 21:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Another evidence from Utawarerumono Radio #4 (7/28):
Koyama(Hakuoro VC) said in opening talk of Challange DoriGura: "Dori and Gura are a pair of twin brothers, and..." —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
222.159.235.47 (
talk •
contribs)
14:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC).
Developer's Q&A that announces the differences between DVD release and Original PC states that...
Hakuoro Effect - When a female unit is in hexes around Hakuoro, she receives 25% bonus to offence and an enemy tries to attack her will get -25% penalty to offence. It should be noted that Dori and Gura are not female.
This effectively proves that (at least in game) they're male from begining.
Even more funny is that they gets their bonus from Oboro instead... *giggle* -
58.0.211.214
12:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Its funny that a person as strong as karura is a slave. in episode 10, where she is introduced, she manages to break her chains, escape from the ship and kill its crew with her bare hands. How was such a strong <<and very attractive both physically and personality wise>> girl enslaved? Another comment she makes that her slave collar cannot be removed, when she could probably remoe it herself is interesting.... maybe she willingly accepted slavery in exchange for something? also her interactions with Urutori, who happens to be a big official, indicate that Karura was probably a very important offical herself, before she became a slave. I request the people familiar with the story/game etc to clariy me on this and if possible to provide karuras back story ^^ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.226.15.134 ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC).
FOR GOD'S SAKE. Putting a spoiler warning at the START OF AN ARTICLE DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN PUT THE BIGGEST SPOILER FOR THE WHOLE GOD DAMN GAME RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT PAGE. PEOPLE SEE IT BEFORE THEY CAN CLICK AWAY. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.69.92 ( talk • contribs) 13:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC).
Dorii and Guraa are main characters, and Mikoto and Mutsumi aren't? Very smart. Omgwtflolz 23:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Eruru and Aruru are mentioned in the backstory section. I seem to recall that the Eruru and Aruru from the series were named after their ancestors with the same names - if I have recollected correctly, is is this pair of sisters referred to here? Shiroi Hane 18:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
{{spoiler}}
{{endspoiler}}
Pretty positive Utawarerumono has nothing to do with the american TV character. Removing references to this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ztella ( talk • contribs) 19:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC).
When romanizing the names, it's best to keep to the ISO standard (ISO 3602, Kunrei-shiki romanization) rather than reverting back to Hepburn. Hence, the kana RU+U would result in Ruu, and not Rū.
This also increases the ease of understanding the article, as many fansub groups and even parts of the Utawareru Mono web site write the names this way when using romaji. Ktemkin 20:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Any opinions on the romanization of these seven kana? Technically, they're two words, Utawareru (a form of to sing) and Mono (Thing), making "The Thing Being Sung" or "The One Being Sung". So, should we keep it Utawarerumono despite the fact that it's easier to understand as its two component words? Ktemkin 07:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The Avu-Kamuu are not mechas, considering mechs stand for mechanical robots. While they do resemble mechas, they are instead living suits of near-impenetrable armor, and not mechas at all. Please use the correct name of 'avu-kamuu' instead of 'mechas' in episode summaries. Ktemkin 17:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)