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This article was assessed 22 June. However, I feel that now it meets the B-class criteria. C L — 23:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Told you I'd work on it ;) CL ( T · C) — 02:15, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the UTAH designations for the end point of U-201, I'm finding 2 different ending points. Reference #8 points to US 89, while reference #9 shows the end at the onramps to I-15. Any ideas? I can make the map either way. 25or6to4 ( talk) 02:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I emailed UDOT about this several years ago, and they said "I understand that they are working on where this route is going to end, possibly making a new state route from 900 West running easterly to US-89 with SR-201 ending as we have it." Obviously this has not happened, and (as of whenever Google Street View got their photos) signs are posted to US-89. It's also shown in red on the official map. -- NE2 03:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I know the big UP rail yard is at the eastern terminus of 201, but what is the the name of the RR line that pretty much parallels the route near Kennecott? -- Admrb♉ltz ( t • c • log) 04:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Here, You is.... Utah Road and Recreation Atlas (Map). 1:250000. Benchmark Maps. 2002. p. 42. § G6. ISBN 0-929591-74-7. Dave ( talk) 05:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Could've asked me - I've become an expert on this in the past few weeks :)
There have been five different companies going east or southeast from Garfield. From north to south, these are:
The Kennecott line is, as discussed above, the one that parallels SR-201 west of Magna. The D&RGW used to be between SR-201 and that line, but is no longer operated (or may be operated by Kennecott?) past this point. -- NE2 06:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I recall a while back there being confusion as to whether US-40 or US-40 Alternate was routed through 2100 South on Salt Lake's east side, right? Well, I ran into a newspaper article from 1959 that lists US-40A going through Foothill Drive and 4th South into Downtown (so one would assume US-40 at that time would go through 21st South). This article from '62 states the Highway Department was looking into switching the alignment of the two routes. By 1975, US-40A was now on 2100 South, judging by this topographical map of the area (you can barely see the Alt 40 shield in purple). Basically:
Does the history already mention this? It's a bit confusing since it uses the internal designations of U.S. routes at the time.
As for U.S. 50 Alternate on present-day SR-201, it still existed in 1972 through Magna, judging by this. This newspaper article from '60 [scroll down a little and there's a map of Salt Lake, pretty interesting] gives 21st South through Sugar House the US-50A designation - apparently, that and US-40 were cosigned in that area? But what happens to US-40 as it heads west toward Magna? Does it turn up State Street and then continue west on North Temple toward the airport? Hmm... CL ( T · C) — 03:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
For the record, I have the 1974 UDOT map, Here is what it shows:
So if we take this literally the changeover would have to be between when the cartography on this map was done (most likely 1973, although the copyright date is 1974) and 1975, per the source you found. I know from personal experience that in the late 1970's Foothill dr. was signed as US-40 mainline. Dave ( talk) 07:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Once we know all of this, a good article will be possible (and I'll try finding some of this information on my own, but perhaps you know some of the answers to these questions Dave? Of course, if anyone else knows this they can say so as well). It'll take some work, but I think getting this article to GA will be well-worth it. CL ( T · C) — 23:15, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Here's what I have to help out. Feel free to add more to this table (I've got sorted chronologically) and ask for any citation texts if you want to use
The Utah Travel Council map is a special case, I bought the map in 1984-5ish. It's a very detailed map, however, by all appearances it was originally drafted in the 1970's with manual patch updates to the 1980's. I cannot find any dates on the map. These patches are not applied consistently and as such it is not suitable for a timeline or dates (i.e. it shows US-91 fully intact and intersecting with freeways that would not be built until long after US-91 was obliterated, etc.)
Another resource for the highways leading to Nevada is the Nevada DOT map archive at [3] (They have every NDOT map ever published, wouldn't that be nice UDOT wink, wink, hint, hint). However from my research on the US-50 article I can tell you that the highway between SLC and Wendover was US-40/50 until 1954, then US-40/US-50 Alt from then until 1977ish when it all just became I-80.
NR= Not enough Resolution to tell
Source | Year published | Status of I-80 | North Temple | Foothill Drive | 21st south (west of State St.) | 21st south (east of State St.) | State street | Routing of US 40 through downtown | Highway west of Salt Lake towards Tooele and Wendover | Highway over Parleys Summit | Interchanges visible on 21st south | Misc notes |
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Rand McNally [4] | 1926 | Non-Existant | No Designation | NR | US-40 | NR | US-91/US-40 (South of SLC) | NR | US-40 | NR | None | Map shows the route of US-40 that is also shown in the 1925 draft proposal for U.S. Highways that was never approved and changed in the approved 1926 draft. |
Sears Official Road map [5] | 1937 | Non-Existant | US-40 | NR | US-50 | NR | US-91/US-50 (South of SLC | NR | US-40/50 | US-40 | NR | None |
National Geographic Atlas | 1960 | Non-Existant | US-40 | NR | US-50 ALT | NR | US-89/91 (area is congested in map, can't tell if US 50 ALT is also present or not) | NR | US-40/US-50 Alt | US-40 | NR | |
USGS [6] | 1963 | Non-Existant | US-40 | US-40 ALT | US-50 ALT | NR | US-89/91/Alt-50 (south of SLC) | NR - but a route from North Temple down 9th west to 21st south is strongly implied, including a curved intersection between 9th west and 21st south | US-40/US-50 ALT | US-40 | None | Shows 33rd south as SR-4 (what was the legislative designation for the future route of I-80 at the time) |
USGS [7] | 1970 | Gap between Redwood Road and edge of map | US-40 | NR | SR-201 | NR | US-89/91/Alt-50(south of SLC) | NR- but along Foothill Dr is strongly implied | US-40/I-80 | US-40/I-80 | 9th West, Redwood Road | |
UDOT MAP | 1974 | Gap between Redwood Road and SR-202 | US-40 (west of Redwood Road) US-40 ALT (east of Redwood Road) |
US-40 ALT | US-50 ALT | None | US-89/91 | None shown | I-80 | I-80/US-40 | 9th west, Redwood Road | In western Utah US-40/US-50 ALT shields shown in Wendover and SLC but not in between. |
UDOT MAP | 1979 | Gap between Redwood Road and SR-202 | SR-186 | SR-186 | SR-201 | NONE | US-89 | N/A | I-80 | I-80 | 9th West, Redwood Road (Expressway to edge of insert) | Includes Straight Line Diagrams for Interstate Highways (unfortunately not for SR-201 as that would answer a lot of you questions) |
Utah Travel Council | 198x??? See note above | Gap between SR-202 and Airport, Under Construction between airport and Redwood Road | US-40 | US-40 | US-50 ALT | None | US-89/91 | N Temple, 3rd West, 4th South, Foothill Dr. | I-80/US-40/US-50 ALT | I-80/US-40 | I-215 (under Construction) | |
Rand McNally | 198? (undated, but is clearly either 1982 or 1983) | Gap between Redwood Road and SR-202, Under construction between Redwood Road and 56th West | SR-186 | SR-186 | SR-201 | None | US-89 | N/A | I-80 | I-80 | 9th West, Redwood Road, I-215 (Expressway to just shy of SR-111) | |
UDOT Map | 1983 | Complete except under construction between Redwood Road and 56th West, | SR-186 | SR-186 | SR-201 | none | US-89 | N/A | I-80 | I-80 | 9th West, Redwood Road, I-215 (Expressway to SR-202) | SLC Inset is larger and shows more detail than 1979 and 74 versions, shows Bangeter Highway under construction |
Dave ( talk) 05:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC) ALthough not perfect, the progression of these maps is starting to paint a picture
Here are the ones I'll add and format myself later:
I'll need the '26, '37, '60, '79, the UT Travel Council, and the '86 map refs. CL ( T · C) — 03:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
FYI, According to the FWHA, the date of completion of the last piece of I-80 was August 22, 1986 per [14] This would be a better source than the 86 map Dave ( talk) 05:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
How's it looking? CL ( T · C) — 20:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Dave ( talk) 07:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Imzadi1979 ( talk) 22:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
A good article on my first read, but is it a Good Article?
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This article was assessed 22 June. However, I feel that now it meets the B-class criteria. C L — 23:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Told you I'd work on it ;) CL ( T · C) — 02:15, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the UTAH designations for the end point of U-201, I'm finding 2 different ending points. Reference #8 points to US 89, while reference #9 shows the end at the onramps to I-15. Any ideas? I can make the map either way. 25or6to4 ( talk) 02:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I emailed UDOT about this several years ago, and they said "I understand that they are working on where this route is going to end, possibly making a new state route from 900 West running easterly to US-89 with SR-201 ending as we have it." Obviously this has not happened, and (as of whenever Google Street View got their photos) signs are posted to US-89. It's also shown in red on the official map. -- NE2 03:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I know the big UP rail yard is at the eastern terminus of 201, but what is the the name of the RR line that pretty much parallels the route near Kennecott? -- Admrb♉ltz ( t • c • log) 04:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Here, You is.... Utah Road and Recreation Atlas (Map). 1:250000. Benchmark Maps. 2002. p. 42. § G6. ISBN 0-929591-74-7. Dave ( talk) 05:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Could've asked me - I've become an expert on this in the past few weeks :)
There have been five different companies going east or southeast from Garfield. From north to south, these are:
The Kennecott line is, as discussed above, the one that parallels SR-201 west of Magna. The D&RGW used to be between SR-201 and that line, but is no longer operated (or may be operated by Kennecott?) past this point. -- NE2 06:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I recall a while back there being confusion as to whether US-40 or US-40 Alternate was routed through 2100 South on Salt Lake's east side, right? Well, I ran into a newspaper article from 1959 that lists US-40A going through Foothill Drive and 4th South into Downtown (so one would assume US-40 at that time would go through 21st South). This article from '62 states the Highway Department was looking into switching the alignment of the two routes. By 1975, US-40A was now on 2100 South, judging by this topographical map of the area (you can barely see the Alt 40 shield in purple). Basically:
Does the history already mention this? It's a bit confusing since it uses the internal designations of U.S. routes at the time.
As for U.S. 50 Alternate on present-day SR-201, it still existed in 1972 through Magna, judging by this. This newspaper article from '60 [scroll down a little and there's a map of Salt Lake, pretty interesting] gives 21st South through Sugar House the US-50A designation - apparently, that and US-40 were cosigned in that area? But what happens to US-40 as it heads west toward Magna? Does it turn up State Street and then continue west on North Temple toward the airport? Hmm... CL ( T · C) — 03:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
For the record, I have the 1974 UDOT map, Here is what it shows:
So if we take this literally the changeover would have to be between when the cartography on this map was done (most likely 1973, although the copyright date is 1974) and 1975, per the source you found. I know from personal experience that in the late 1970's Foothill dr. was signed as US-40 mainline. Dave ( talk) 07:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Once we know all of this, a good article will be possible (and I'll try finding some of this information on my own, but perhaps you know some of the answers to these questions Dave? Of course, if anyone else knows this they can say so as well). It'll take some work, but I think getting this article to GA will be well-worth it. CL ( T · C) — 23:15, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Here's what I have to help out. Feel free to add more to this table (I've got sorted chronologically) and ask for any citation texts if you want to use
The Utah Travel Council map is a special case, I bought the map in 1984-5ish. It's a very detailed map, however, by all appearances it was originally drafted in the 1970's with manual patch updates to the 1980's. I cannot find any dates on the map. These patches are not applied consistently and as such it is not suitable for a timeline or dates (i.e. it shows US-91 fully intact and intersecting with freeways that would not be built until long after US-91 was obliterated, etc.)
Another resource for the highways leading to Nevada is the Nevada DOT map archive at [3] (They have every NDOT map ever published, wouldn't that be nice UDOT wink, wink, hint, hint). However from my research on the US-50 article I can tell you that the highway between SLC and Wendover was US-40/50 until 1954, then US-40/US-50 Alt from then until 1977ish when it all just became I-80.
NR= Not enough Resolution to tell
Source | Year published | Status of I-80 | North Temple | Foothill Drive | 21st south (west of State St.) | 21st south (east of State St.) | State street | Routing of US 40 through downtown | Highway west of Salt Lake towards Tooele and Wendover | Highway over Parleys Summit | Interchanges visible on 21st south | Misc notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Rand McNally [4] | 1926 | Non-Existant | No Designation | NR | US-40 | NR | US-91/US-40 (South of SLC) | NR | US-40 | NR | None | Map shows the route of US-40 that is also shown in the 1925 draft proposal for U.S. Highways that was never approved and changed in the approved 1926 draft. |
Sears Official Road map [5] | 1937 | Non-Existant | US-40 | NR | US-50 | NR | US-91/US-50 (South of SLC | NR | US-40/50 | US-40 | NR | None |
National Geographic Atlas | 1960 | Non-Existant | US-40 | NR | US-50 ALT | NR | US-89/91 (area is congested in map, can't tell if US 50 ALT is also present or not) | NR | US-40/US-50 Alt | US-40 | NR | |
USGS [6] | 1963 | Non-Existant | US-40 | US-40 ALT | US-50 ALT | NR | US-89/91/Alt-50 (south of SLC) | NR - but a route from North Temple down 9th west to 21st south is strongly implied, including a curved intersection between 9th west and 21st south | US-40/US-50 ALT | US-40 | None | Shows 33rd south as SR-4 (what was the legislative designation for the future route of I-80 at the time) |
USGS [7] | 1970 | Gap between Redwood Road and edge of map | US-40 | NR | SR-201 | NR | US-89/91/Alt-50(south of SLC) | NR- but along Foothill Dr is strongly implied | US-40/I-80 | US-40/I-80 | 9th West, Redwood Road | |
UDOT MAP | 1974 | Gap between Redwood Road and SR-202 | US-40 (west of Redwood Road) US-40 ALT (east of Redwood Road) |
US-40 ALT | US-50 ALT | None | US-89/91 | None shown | I-80 | I-80/US-40 | 9th west, Redwood Road | In western Utah US-40/US-50 ALT shields shown in Wendover and SLC but not in between. |
UDOT MAP | 1979 | Gap between Redwood Road and SR-202 | SR-186 | SR-186 | SR-201 | NONE | US-89 | N/A | I-80 | I-80 | 9th West, Redwood Road (Expressway to edge of insert) | Includes Straight Line Diagrams for Interstate Highways (unfortunately not for SR-201 as that would answer a lot of you questions) |
Utah Travel Council | 198x??? See note above | Gap between SR-202 and Airport, Under Construction between airport and Redwood Road | US-40 | US-40 | US-50 ALT | None | US-89/91 | N Temple, 3rd West, 4th South, Foothill Dr. | I-80/US-40/US-50 ALT | I-80/US-40 | I-215 (under Construction) | |
Rand McNally | 198? (undated, but is clearly either 1982 or 1983) | Gap between Redwood Road and SR-202, Under construction between Redwood Road and 56th West | SR-186 | SR-186 | SR-201 | None | US-89 | N/A | I-80 | I-80 | 9th West, Redwood Road, I-215 (Expressway to just shy of SR-111) | |
UDOT Map | 1983 | Complete except under construction between Redwood Road and 56th West, | SR-186 | SR-186 | SR-201 | none | US-89 | N/A | I-80 | I-80 | 9th West, Redwood Road, I-215 (Expressway to SR-202) | SLC Inset is larger and shows more detail than 1979 and 74 versions, shows Bangeter Highway under construction |
Dave ( talk) 05:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC) ALthough not perfect, the progression of these maps is starting to paint a picture
Here are the ones I'll add and format myself later:
I'll need the '26, '37, '60, '79, the UT Travel Council, and the '86 map refs. CL ( T · C) — 03:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
FYI, According to the FWHA, the date of completion of the last piece of I-80 was August 22, 1986 per [14] This would be a better source than the 86 map Dave ( talk) 05:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
How's it looking? CL ( T · C) — 20:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Dave ( talk) 07:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Imzadi1979 ( talk) 22:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
A good article on my first read, but is it a Good Article?
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