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I'm getting and a little bit sick of hearing about Usman being the "first Muslim...", "the first Pakistani-born" and now "only the seventh foreign born cricketer...", and I'm wondering how sure we are of all this, and how appropriate it all is. The source is one article from The Daily Telegraph, not always the world's best source. The article is full of biases we would never allow here - "blue blood Afrikaner" about Kepler Wessels, and "wristy flicks and flourishes that tend to be bestowed on those with DNA from the subcontinent" about Khawaja.
Who has really checked that no-one before Khawaja was Muslim? Remember that first class cricket has been played here since the 1800s. Can anyone list the religion of every player? And as for where everyone was born, well.....
Again, no player in the team is described as Christian, or Atheist, or Methodist, upon his selection. Too much concentration on a matter irrelevant to the reason he has an article, coupled with a real danger of POV being on display. HiLo48 ( talk) 22:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Some comments. Firstly, that Khawaja is both Muslim and Pakistani-Australian is notable and encyclopedic. It merits inclusion in his article. He is most certainly the first Muslim and first Pakistani-Australian to play Test cricket for Australia. On the second claim re: First-Class cricket, I would suggest that Duncan Sharpe was the first Pakistani-Australian to play first class cricket in Australia, but it depends how you look at it. Sharpe was not a Muslim, though. Plenty of other Muslims have played first class cricket in Australia before - most obviously the entire Pakistani cricket team on several occasions - but Imran Khan played a season for New South Wales in the 1980s and the Nawab of Pataudi played for England in Australia on the Bodyline tour in 1932-33. I suggest both claims about first class cricket need further clarification-- Mattinbgn ( talk) 10:33, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I removed a sentence about Khawaja's sponsorships here. Just posting here to explain in case anyone objects. First, the sentence wasn't supported by the cited source. Nor could I find any other source supporting it. Second, I'm not sure of the value of this information to the article. I would have thought that an athlete's sponsorship deals are only worth mentioning if there is something unusal about them or they affected the athlete's career in some way.-- Mkativerata ( talk) 00:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Based on the latest statements by Usmaan about the racial discrimination he faced for being a Pakistani born, I wanted to add on page, it’s a verified information and must be added, I am open for discussion with anyone who thinks otherwise but Don’t delete stuff Itisanimesh ( talk) 15:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
I am unsure why we are including this individual's birthplace, prior nationality, or ethnicity in the lead, and specifically too in the first sentence. Per MOS:Ethnicity, "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." Even if we felt this individual's religion or ethnicity were relevant to his notability, is it really relevant enough to be part of the very first sentence? That seems a bit odd and inappropriate. Apoorva Iyer ( talk) 10:11, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Chinmay0777, the piece of info merits removal as the post was not of serious nature and does not has the WP:DUEWeight. Futhermore, the language used also was against WP:Neutrality. Also look up WP:NOTNEWS. 182.183.7.252 ( talk) 07:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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I'm getting and a little bit sick of hearing about Usman being the "first Muslim...", "the first Pakistani-born" and now "only the seventh foreign born cricketer...", and I'm wondering how sure we are of all this, and how appropriate it all is. The source is one article from The Daily Telegraph, not always the world's best source. The article is full of biases we would never allow here - "blue blood Afrikaner" about Kepler Wessels, and "wristy flicks and flourishes that tend to be bestowed on those with DNA from the subcontinent" about Khawaja.
Who has really checked that no-one before Khawaja was Muslim? Remember that first class cricket has been played here since the 1800s. Can anyone list the religion of every player? And as for where everyone was born, well.....
Again, no player in the team is described as Christian, or Atheist, or Methodist, upon his selection. Too much concentration on a matter irrelevant to the reason he has an article, coupled with a real danger of POV being on display. HiLo48 ( talk) 22:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Some comments. Firstly, that Khawaja is both Muslim and Pakistani-Australian is notable and encyclopedic. It merits inclusion in his article. He is most certainly the first Muslim and first Pakistani-Australian to play Test cricket for Australia. On the second claim re: First-Class cricket, I would suggest that Duncan Sharpe was the first Pakistani-Australian to play first class cricket in Australia, but it depends how you look at it. Sharpe was not a Muslim, though. Plenty of other Muslims have played first class cricket in Australia before - most obviously the entire Pakistani cricket team on several occasions - but Imran Khan played a season for New South Wales in the 1980s and the Nawab of Pataudi played for England in Australia on the Bodyline tour in 1932-33. I suggest both claims about first class cricket need further clarification-- Mattinbgn ( talk) 10:33, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I removed a sentence about Khawaja's sponsorships here. Just posting here to explain in case anyone objects. First, the sentence wasn't supported by the cited source. Nor could I find any other source supporting it. Second, I'm not sure of the value of this information to the article. I would have thought that an athlete's sponsorship deals are only worth mentioning if there is something unusal about them or they affected the athlete's career in some way.-- Mkativerata ( talk) 00:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Based on the latest statements by Usmaan about the racial discrimination he faced for being a Pakistani born, I wanted to add on page, it’s a verified information and must be added, I am open for discussion with anyone who thinks otherwise but Don’t delete stuff Itisanimesh ( talk) 15:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
I am unsure why we are including this individual's birthplace, prior nationality, or ethnicity in the lead, and specifically too in the first sentence. Per MOS:Ethnicity, "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." Even if we felt this individual's religion or ethnicity were relevant to his notability, is it really relevant enough to be part of the very first sentence? That seems a bit odd and inappropriate. Apoorva Iyer ( talk) 10:11, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Chinmay0777, the piece of info merits removal as the post was not of serious nature and does not has the WP:DUEWeight. Futhermore, the language used also was against WP:Neutrality. Also look up WP:NOTNEWS. 182.183.7.252 ( talk) 07:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)