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Any reason why the article is called "Île d'Ouessant" and not by its English language name "Ushant"? This is the English language wikipedia after all and not the French language one. -- kudz75 01:28, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Moved -- Henrygb 23:14, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
While reading up on the Journey of Pytheas, I ran across the equation Uxisame/Uxantos/Uxantis = Ouessant/Ushant. The former three names are found in the works of early Greek geographers and historians such as Pliny the Elder, and 19th (and early 20th) century scholars readily supported connecting these to modern-day Ushant. (See, for example: Matthias, Franz (1901). Über Pytheas von Massilia und die ältesten Nachrichten von den Germanen, p. 10. Berlin: W. Pormetter Verlag.) This article is currently ignorant of these connections (whatever their scholarly value today), and it seems to be something interesting enough to warrant further investigation. Cheers, -- 84.75.164.153 ( talk) 11:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
A straight numerical comparison (forgot to take out Trollope, Aiken, WP, LLC) shows Ushant still more prevalent since 1990:
However try it with a tourist term like "ferry" and it is reversed, 173x vs 348x. More surprisingly "pilot" also favours Ouessant, indicating modern shipping uses the French name. In ictu oculi ( talk) 02:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nom when reached backlog second time. Even though it is only 1 for, 1 against, it's evident that there isn't any great interest in changing as this has been round RM a full 14 days without attracting comment. ( non-admin closure). In ictu oculi ( talk) 00:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Ushant → Ouessant – This was moved to the old English spelling in 2005. There's no question that English sources continue to use the old English spelling in reference to four naval battles fought off the coast of Brittany Battle of Ushant (1778), Battle of Ushant (1781), Battle of Ushant (1794), Battle of Ushant (1944) and naturally more books are printed about naval battles than tourism and those articles should retain the English spelling. The old spelling also features in the 1796 sea shanty " Spanish Ladies." However this article isn't about the naval battles, it is about the modern island, and in English source references to the modern island and tourism BBC News - French island of Ouessant adopts local tartan Aug 10, 2010 - "A small island off the Atlantic coast of France adopts its own official tartan to mark its Celtic heritage" the French spelling prevails. Relisted. Favonian ( talk) 19:42, 15 September 2013 (UTC). In ictu oculi ( talk) 02:31, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
"It is the only place in Brittany with a separate name in English."
This is not true: like many places in Brittany the supposed 'exonym' is actually the name given to the island by Bretons.
There are differences between the french and breton names of most of the places in Brittany and Ouessant is not the only example where the english use the breton version instead of the french one. — Preceding
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I did wonder about this. That declaration is followed by "and Kadoran (Île Cadoran)". However English usage preferring the Breton name is not actually the same as a uniquely English name that is neither Breton nor French. English Ushant is not Breton Eusa is not French Ouessant.
Still, I don't know if the assertion that it is the only place in Brittany with a separate name in English is verifiable as I've not succeeded in finding a reference to confirm it. It would be good if someone could. Calmeilles ( talk) 15:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
All this predicated on whether or not one genuinely considers an anglicisation of Ouessant to Ushant a separate name. I can't believe I am the first to suggest that the English is a different version of the same name. Optymystic ( talk) 12:06, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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Any reason why the article is called "Île d'Ouessant" and not by its English language name "Ushant"? This is the English language wikipedia after all and not the French language one. -- kudz75 01:28, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Moved -- Henrygb 23:14, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
While reading up on the Journey of Pytheas, I ran across the equation Uxisame/Uxantos/Uxantis = Ouessant/Ushant. The former three names are found in the works of early Greek geographers and historians such as Pliny the Elder, and 19th (and early 20th) century scholars readily supported connecting these to modern-day Ushant. (See, for example: Matthias, Franz (1901). Über Pytheas von Massilia und die ältesten Nachrichten von den Germanen, p. 10. Berlin: W. Pormetter Verlag.) This article is currently ignorant of these connections (whatever their scholarly value today), and it seems to be something interesting enough to warrant further investigation. Cheers, -- 84.75.164.153 ( talk) 11:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
A straight numerical comparison (forgot to take out Trollope, Aiken, WP, LLC) shows Ushant still more prevalent since 1990:
However try it with a tourist term like "ferry" and it is reversed, 173x vs 348x. More surprisingly "pilot" also favours Ouessant, indicating modern shipping uses the French name. In ictu oculi ( talk) 02:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nom when reached backlog second time. Even though it is only 1 for, 1 against, it's evident that there isn't any great interest in changing as this has been round RM a full 14 days without attracting comment. ( non-admin closure). In ictu oculi ( talk) 00:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Ushant → Ouessant – This was moved to the old English spelling in 2005. There's no question that English sources continue to use the old English spelling in reference to four naval battles fought off the coast of Brittany Battle of Ushant (1778), Battle of Ushant (1781), Battle of Ushant (1794), Battle of Ushant (1944) and naturally more books are printed about naval battles than tourism and those articles should retain the English spelling. The old spelling also features in the 1796 sea shanty " Spanish Ladies." However this article isn't about the naval battles, it is about the modern island, and in English source references to the modern island and tourism BBC News - French island of Ouessant adopts local tartan Aug 10, 2010 - "A small island off the Atlantic coast of France adopts its own official tartan to mark its Celtic heritage" the French spelling prevails. Relisted. Favonian ( talk) 19:42, 15 September 2013 (UTC). In ictu oculi ( talk) 02:31, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
"It is the only place in Brittany with a separate name in English."
This is not true: like many places in Brittany the supposed 'exonym' is actually the name given to the island by Bretons.
There are differences between the french and breton names of most of the places in Brittany and Ouessant is not the only example where the english use the breton version instead of the french one. — Preceding
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13:46, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I did wonder about this. That declaration is followed by "and Kadoran (Île Cadoran)". However English usage preferring the Breton name is not actually the same as a uniquely English name that is neither Breton nor French. English Ushant is not Breton Eusa is not French Ouessant.
Still, I don't know if the assertion that it is the only place in Brittany with a separate name in English is verifiable as I've not succeeded in finding a reference to confirm it. It would be good if someone could. Calmeilles ( talk) 15:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
All this predicated on whether or not one genuinely considers an anglicisation of Ouessant to Ushant a separate name. I can't believe I am the first to suggest that the English is a different version of the same name. Optymystic ( talk) 12:06, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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