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" Present tense forms are used, in principle, to refer to circumstances that exist at the present time (or over a period that includes the present time)."
I propose elaboration of the parenthetical phrase. I think that case needs more attention (and a name?).
Vzeebjtf ( talk) 14:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
-- See gnomic aspect. โ kwami ( talk) 00:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
The prefix "non" does not need or take a hyphen except when it precedes a proper noun or proper adjective. For example: nonfinite, nongeneral, noninteger, nonnegative, nonpositive, nonscientific, nonstandard, nontechnical, nonuniform, and nonverbal.
Examples of the hyphenated cases include non-British, non-Canadian, non-Catholic, non-English, non-European, non-Jewish, non-Oriental, non-Protestant, non-Roman, non-Slavic, non-Soviet, and non-Yankee.
Source: I was taught this by my mother, a crackerjack English teacher in a school in the United States, and other English teachers in the United States, and numerous dictionaries and mathematics textbooks.
98.67.108.42 (
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17:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I don't know if this article is the best for this, but it came up in a discussion on the language ref desk. We all knew a lot of people who do this. The question was which verbs, like seen and done, use the PP form for simple past. Been (for 'was, were') is in there as well, but I don't know how general that is. And we didn't know if there were other verbs like these three. โ kwami ( talk) 00:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Despite the assertion about the Future perfect progressive "expressing a confident assumption about the present", the wikipedia entry for the Future perfect states that one about the past is also possible, "However it is also possible for it to be accompanied by a marker of the retrospective time of occurrence, as in I will have done it on the previous Tuesday, so this second example should also be added. -- Backinstadiums ( talk) 11:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
The assertion that "The past perfect progressive or past perfect continuous (also known as the pluperfect progressive or pluperfect continuous) [...] is formed by combining had (the past tense of auxiliary have), been (the past participle of be), and the present participle of the main verb" is problematic for two reasons -
Sure, you can parse those sentences by claiming that "lying" and "waiting" are adverbial rather than aspectual a la "She ran screaming that she'd been mugged," but such an interpretation fails to deny how the past perfect progressive CAN be marked by a stative past participle other than been. The context implies how to construe a sentence like, "She had stood waiting for an hour before her friend arrived." Whether she (A) intransively engaged in bearing her weight in an upright position for 60 minutes, or (B) statively was or remained expectantly idling for 60 minutes regardless of her standing, seating, or kneeling (etc.) posture is a matter of interpretation, not grammatical prescription. -- Kent Dominicยท(talk) 11:08, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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I started with the grammatical sentences and then regularized them to show the underlying pattern.
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Just granpa ( talk) 20:14, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
compare Will have done it yesterday -- Backinstadiums ( talk) 23:33, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 25 August 2020 and 12 December 2020. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
RedClover4.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 04:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
" Present tense forms are used, in principle, to refer to circumstances that exist at the present time (or over a period that includes the present time)."
I propose elaboration of the parenthetical phrase. I think that case needs more attention (and a name?).
Vzeebjtf ( talk) 14:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
-- See gnomic aspect. โ kwami ( talk) 00:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
The prefix "non" does not need or take a hyphen except when it precedes a proper noun or proper adjective. For example: nonfinite, nongeneral, noninteger, nonnegative, nonpositive, nonscientific, nonstandard, nontechnical, nonuniform, and nonverbal.
Examples of the hyphenated cases include non-British, non-Canadian, non-Catholic, non-English, non-European, non-Jewish, non-Oriental, non-Protestant, non-Roman, non-Slavic, non-Soviet, and non-Yankee.
Source: I was taught this by my mother, a crackerjack English teacher in a school in the United States, and other English teachers in the United States, and numerous dictionaries and mathematics textbooks.
98.67.108.42 (
talk)
17:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I don't know if this article is the best for this, but it came up in a discussion on the language ref desk. We all knew a lot of people who do this. The question was which verbs, like seen and done, use the PP form for simple past. Been (for 'was, were') is in there as well, but I don't know how general that is. And we didn't know if there were other verbs like these three. โ kwami ( talk) 00:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Despite the assertion about the Future perfect progressive "expressing a confident assumption about the present", the wikipedia entry for the Future perfect states that one about the past is also possible, "However it is also possible for it to be accompanied by a marker of the retrospective time of occurrence, as in I will have done it on the previous Tuesday, so this second example should also be added. -- Backinstadiums ( talk) 11:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
The assertion that "The past perfect progressive or past perfect continuous (also known as the pluperfect progressive or pluperfect continuous) [...] is formed by combining had (the past tense of auxiliary have), been (the past participle of be), and the present participle of the main verb" is problematic for two reasons -
Sure, you can parse those sentences by claiming that "lying" and "waiting" are adverbial rather than aspectual a la "She ran screaming that she'd been mugged," but such an interpretation fails to deny how the past perfect progressive CAN be marked by a stative past participle other than been. The context implies how to construe a sentence like, "She had stood waiting for an hour before her friend arrived." Whether she (A) intransively engaged in bearing her weight in an upright position for 60 minutes, or (B) statively was or remained expectantly idling for 60 minutes regardless of her standing, seating, or kneeling (etc.) posture is a matter of interpretation, not grammatical prescription. -- Kent Dominicยท(talk) 11:08, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. โ Community Tech bot ( talk) 20:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Future-in-the-past. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 19#Future-in-the-past until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
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Just granpa ( talk) 20:14, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
compare Will have done it yesterday -- Backinstadiums ( talk) 23:33, 20 May 2022 (UTC)