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so what about things like Dresdin Files or Tails from the nightside?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.251.40 ( talk) 02:45, 4 June 2007
Hello!
Does anybody else think that Anthony Horowitz (with The Power of Five) and/or Jonathan Stroud (Bartimaeus-Trilogy) should be added too? -- 91.35.245.37 ( talk) 15:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the notation questioning the presence of Jim Butcher's Dresden series on this list. I realize that there may be debate over the technical definition of the genre, but I feel that the quibbling should be done on the discussion page rather than on the entry itself. In general terms, it's inclusion is not incorrect. Perhaps not perfect, but not incorrect. Until a more authoritative definition can be located, there's no reason to confuse readers who are most likely visiting this article for reading recommendations. - ( User:Pipedreamergrey)
I've added John Clute's definition from The Encyclopedia of Fantasy; I think that helps with the distinction of urban fantasy from other sorts of contemporary fantasy. - PKM ( talk) 18:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I've updated this article to distinguish between the two types of urban fantasy, the one that is like mythic fiction and the one that is like paranormal romance. Hopefully it makes some sort of sense. I am sure someone will let me know if it doesn't. - PKM ( talk) 01:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I've been wondering if the series which do not have dedicated articles should link to the relevant part of the author page? For example
Ilona Andrews (The Kate Daniels series)
would become
Ilona Andrews (The Kate Daniels series)
I like that it will create a consistent list but it might be semi redundant, since we are already linking to the author article, so I thought I would ask.-- Elfwood ( talk) 17:49, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to see this article explain a little more clearly how urban fantasy is distinct from other forms of fantasy in contemporary settings. marbeh raglaim ( talk) 11:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I was doing a little research on Emma Bull's War for the Oaks, and found its mention on this page bizarre. It is mentioned almost as an afterthought under History, but the examples of the genre are filled with authors and books that don't seem to warrant their own Wikipedia page. Has this article turned into an open field for authors to just promote themselves? -- 173.160.170.98 ( talk) 20:44, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to list 48 urban fantasy authors? I feel like this adds nothing to the article. It might be better to choose a few notable urban fantasy authors and briefly describe their significance. I mean, I guess it's better to have all these authors than none at all, but I think this is a Library of Babel situation where there is so much information that it is no longer useful. Augurar ( talk) 05:33, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
The top of the article asserts that Urban fantasy has to happen pretty much on Earth (or rather insinuates it). This seems like an opinion that's not backed by the article, and would make it fail for the lead section. Can anyone back up this assertion? It also seems to assert that only contemporary cities or contemporary versions of cities count, which seems odd, because Urban is place, not time period. So if someone in 2009, writes about the city in 1930's Chicago with Wizards, that's not Urban fantasy? That seems a bit odd. Urban simply means "City". So those two added definitions need sources. Also if someone does a Pseudo city on another planet that is Earth-like with city problems, how is that not Urban fantasy?
Sub-genre is broken down into place, time and theme. Nothing in the word Urban means that you can't have city problems set in the future, nor have Paranormal with Urban. =P That Publisher's Weekly quote is messed up. Of course you can have Paranormal Urban Fantasy. You can also have Paranormal Suburban fantasy. That's Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Parnormal is merely a *theme* It's not a place. (Look up the definition of the words). You can also have Historical Urban fantasy. (Ancient Rome was not a city? How not? If you focus on Rome and set it there, is that not Urban fantasy?) You can also have High Urban fantasy. ^_^ Mercedes Lackey focuses on the city in most of her Vlademar series. It's just that *right now* most people are writing Urban fantasy that is happening in the present, but that does not disinclude, say having High Dark Paranormal Romance Medieval Mythic Urban Fantasy. None of that is mutually exclusive. Perhaps setting it in a Country or a Suburb along with the city might knock the place part of the sub-genre for a loop, but there is nothing in the word "Urban" that says "Thou Shalt not set this in historical times."
I, personally, would think the article is defining, Contemporary (time period genre) Earth-based (general setting genre) Urban (Specific setting genre) fantasy, rather than Urban fantasy.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 14:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that a couple of editors have objected to some of the examples cited in the article. This is fine, as long as we talk things out here. As it stands, most paragraphs in the "Characteristics" section begin by describing a characteristic of urban fantasy. They then provide examples of how certain books use the ideas differently.
This approach earned the article a "B" rating, from two different editors, a little over a year ago. I'm not certain how this differs much from a similar section in the "Werewolf" article (also rated "B").
However, some editors seem to have taken issue with this -- and with certain sources which were included for descriptive purposes. If anyone has suggestions for changing the article/sources, or if you feel that things are in decent shape, please share your thoughts. Thanks. -- James26 ( talk) 21:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Now that we've discussed things, I'm not opposed to anyone tagging this appropriately for clean-up if they feel a tag is really necessary (I didn't think the "source" tag used by another editor was appropriate, for the reasons mentioned in edit history -- and also because the less notable sources contain statements by people in publishing). I ultimately want what's beneficial for the article. -- James26 ( talk) 18:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
This article has several problems. One is that people writing it apparently don't have a solid grounding in the recent history of fantasy. Perfectly illustrated with the position of Emma Bull in the article. Emma Bull's War for the Oaks is one of the books that caused the label to be coined, together with, for instance, the Borderland series edited by Terry Windling (Life on the Border, Bordertown and Borderland). There are other writers included in that initial wave of the subgenre like, off the top of my head, Megan Lindholm (that is, the later Robin Hobb) with Wizard of the Pigeons, Bull's husband Will Shetterly, Charles de Lint and so on.
Second, the definition. Yes, people started putting everything and anything under the label. But that initial wave had pretty strict rules - take your average modern American city, add high fantasy creatures (elves, goblins, shifters, leprechauns etc.) or just magic in it, and you've got urban fantasy. Yes, it focuses on the place, but equally or possibly even more importantly, it focuses on the intrusion of the fantastic into everyday world. Urban fantasy has to be set in the everyday world, mostly cities, but not every fantasy that's set in a city is urban fantasy. For example, Glen Cook's P.I. Garrett series is (mostly) set in cities, but it's not urban fantasy.
Which brings me to third. Quite a lot of books mentioned in the article simply took off from urban fantasy and created subgenres of their own, using the setting for their own purposes. I don't think that books focusing on romantic elements or how cool vampires are should be classified as urban fantasy. It's just like with cyberpunk. There are so many books with cyberpunk elements now, but they are not cyberpunk. So, while Sookie Stackhouse might be classified as urban fantasy, I'd say that Anita Blake is not. In the same vein, I'd also say that Butcher's Dresden is definitely urban fantasy.
BTW, this is not original research, this is experience. :) I've read quite a lot of urban fantasy books as they were coming out plus discussed them in various places, sometimes with their authors. Vlatkojk ( talk) 15:44, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I removed a number of citations that were either needless or too subjective to be included here--like those links to blogs. This article is supposed to be encyclopedic, but it didn't read like an encyclopedia article. It's true, just go to a local library and look through those thick encyclopedias. If you plan on editing a page you should know what these encyclopedia articles cite, reference, and STATE without referencing. Verifyable information is needed, but if this is a true secondary source of information, then it must make its own assertions. For example, we don't need to cite any source in the first few sentences. Unless, of course, you make a reference to what someone said about the genre--some anecdote--like, Anita Blake has called the UF genre, "The best thing to happen to Fantasy." That would need a citation in order to verify that Anite Blake (if she was real) indeed said it. But to add citations to this article's very definition of what we mean to discuss is ridiculous.
Also, I'm going to try and eliminate all citations that go to an author's blog, unless that information has something to do with that particular author or their books. This article is not meant to show Author X's version of Urban Fantasy; information from an author's blog is relevant if it adds to what article says. For example, if in one of the sections you say that Urban Fantasy protagonists are rarely homosexual, then you can add a quote from an author that might explain why they do not, and after discuss other authors.
The sections on "adult" and "young adult" UF seem irrelevant, since it does not make sense to shrink such vast discussions. I plan on adding a section called "The Urban Fantasy Definition Debate" which discusses the vast differences among authors over what constitutes Urban Fantasy. I also will add a section called "Etymology" which will include referenced material that shows how the term Urban Fantasy came about.
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Okay, I started the changes, though they are by no means complete. What I am going to do next is delete all those citations that link to blog entries--why you would use these, I don't know. I think many of the people who edit these pages don't understand the difference between verifiable information and information that needs to be cited. For example, if I write that Neil Gaiman said on his blog that Urban Fantasy is childish, then that would be something that needs a citation, preferably a link to this entry (if it still exists). But if I say that his novel, American Gods, includes an assortment of mythical deities, then that information is verifiable--that means it can be proven correct, either by reading the novel or by looking up the information in a library catalog or a similar database; it doesn't need a citation from a page or book that says that American Gods does indeed include an assortment of deities.
In this article you guys ran amok with citations.
Okay, I added an Etymology section that is very thorough and well-researched. Later on, I will expand the History section before beefing up the Hardboiled Detective Urban Fantasy sub-section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louis Corsair ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
I just deleted about a dozen of the authors of Urban Fantasy you had in the author's section. They just don't belong on this page. Charlaine Harris doesn't write Urban Fantasy, she write rural fantasy. Others write similar things. If your authors write fantasy set in rural places or schools or the like, then it likely is not urban fantasy, but contemporary fantasy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louis Corsair ( talk • contribs) 23:02, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Louis Corsair (
talk)
07:59, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
I went ahead and expanded the Hardboiled Urban Fantasy section and will follow it up with a few references to opinions about the subject. Louis Corsair ( talk) 18:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Dear James,
The problem with citing authors and their opinions is that there are a ***t load of them who are self-proclaimed urban fantasy writers. In that case, who do we cite here? This is especially problematic if their views conflict--and right now, the views on most blogs that talk about urban fantasy conflict in one way or another. I'm an urban fantasy author too and I disagree with that initial definition that stands now. Can I change that and then cite my own blog as "verification" of the information? It doesn't make sense. Also, if we were to forget academic rules and use the thoughts of a "professional" urban fantasy author, then for decency's sake use the thoughts of an established author, someone well known, like Neil Gaiman, Mercedes Lackey, etc., not the thoughts of some unknown (the beginning of this article cites Jeannie Holmes).
Case in point: I'm going to delete that line where you cite Jeannie Holmes' personal blog and replace it with a number of citations from books, whose thoughts agree with my own on this subject--George R.R. Martin, and others. Louis Corsair ( talk) 05:20, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
I added whitespace for readability, both readable code and (except the latest, extra-long section) indentation where appropriate.
I moved two "recent" sections down from the top, where they must have been inserted, to Sections 8 and 10 (of eleven). They may have been missed. --although there was a reply to current section 10 #Problems the last day this page was revised. -- P64 ( talk) 20:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Problem there is that it is defining paranormal or supernatural Fantasy by focusing on the problems from the paranormal or supernatural. For it to count as Urban, the city has to be a major influence on the problems the characters face. (as per the definition from the critics). So instead of listing the paranormal aspects, which should get a side mention that these two are often paired in contemporary times, shouldn't the article focus on how problems of the city, urban living, etc in fantastical ways affects the characters? Leave the paranormal and supernatural to the paranormal and supernatural fantasy article. How does it relate to the city? i.e. What makes it Urban Fantasy? Not what makes it paranormal/supernatural fantasy and by the way, did you know it was Urban Fantasy? Please fix the examples to keep inline with the definition.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 03:34, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
in the adult and teen sections there is a whole lot of random examples of books and authors(with descriptions) of no particular note compared to the vast majority of other urban fiction. especially as its highly subjective and the examples are extremely narrow. the first example Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake series makes sense, though it should have a link to whomever was making the claim about it being influential.
i propose a list in each section using a table featuring a range of notable works with only title, author and possibly a good-reads score similar to how movies and TV shows are done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.189.95.164 ( talk) 08:40, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
so what about things like Dresdin Files or Tails from the nightside?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.251.40 ( talk) 02:45, 4 June 2007
Hello!
Does anybody else think that Anthony Horowitz (with The Power of Five) and/or Jonathan Stroud (Bartimaeus-Trilogy) should be added too? -- 91.35.245.37 ( talk) 15:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the notation questioning the presence of Jim Butcher's Dresden series on this list. I realize that there may be debate over the technical definition of the genre, but I feel that the quibbling should be done on the discussion page rather than on the entry itself. In general terms, it's inclusion is not incorrect. Perhaps not perfect, but not incorrect. Until a more authoritative definition can be located, there's no reason to confuse readers who are most likely visiting this article for reading recommendations. - ( User:Pipedreamergrey)
I've added John Clute's definition from The Encyclopedia of Fantasy; I think that helps with the distinction of urban fantasy from other sorts of contemporary fantasy. - PKM ( talk) 18:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I've updated this article to distinguish between the two types of urban fantasy, the one that is like mythic fiction and the one that is like paranormal romance. Hopefully it makes some sort of sense. I am sure someone will let me know if it doesn't. - PKM ( talk) 01:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I've been wondering if the series which do not have dedicated articles should link to the relevant part of the author page? For example
Ilona Andrews (The Kate Daniels series)
would become
Ilona Andrews (The Kate Daniels series)
I like that it will create a consistent list but it might be semi redundant, since we are already linking to the author article, so I thought I would ask.-- Elfwood ( talk) 17:49, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to see this article explain a little more clearly how urban fantasy is distinct from other forms of fantasy in contemporary settings. marbeh raglaim ( talk) 11:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I was doing a little research on Emma Bull's War for the Oaks, and found its mention on this page bizarre. It is mentioned almost as an afterthought under History, but the examples of the genre are filled with authors and books that don't seem to warrant their own Wikipedia page. Has this article turned into an open field for authors to just promote themselves? -- 173.160.170.98 ( talk) 20:44, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to list 48 urban fantasy authors? I feel like this adds nothing to the article. It might be better to choose a few notable urban fantasy authors and briefly describe their significance. I mean, I guess it's better to have all these authors than none at all, but I think this is a Library of Babel situation where there is so much information that it is no longer useful. Augurar ( talk) 05:33, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
The top of the article asserts that Urban fantasy has to happen pretty much on Earth (or rather insinuates it). This seems like an opinion that's not backed by the article, and would make it fail for the lead section. Can anyone back up this assertion? It also seems to assert that only contemporary cities or contemporary versions of cities count, which seems odd, because Urban is place, not time period. So if someone in 2009, writes about the city in 1930's Chicago with Wizards, that's not Urban fantasy? That seems a bit odd. Urban simply means "City". So those two added definitions need sources. Also if someone does a Pseudo city on another planet that is Earth-like with city problems, how is that not Urban fantasy?
Sub-genre is broken down into place, time and theme. Nothing in the word Urban means that you can't have city problems set in the future, nor have Paranormal with Urban. =P That Publisher's Weekly quote is messed up. Of course you can have Paranormal Urban Fantasy. You can also have Paranormal Suburban fantasy. That's Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Parnormal is merely a *theme* It's not a place. (Look up the definition of the words). You can also have Historical Urban fantasy. (Ancient Rome was not a city? How not? If you focus on Rome and set it there, is that not Urban fantasy?) You can also have High Urban fantasy. ^_^ Mercedes Lackey focuses on the city in most of her Vlademar series. It's just that *right now* most people are writing Urban fantasy that is happening in the present, but that does not disinclude, say having High Dark Paranormal Romance Medieval Mythic Urban Fantasy. None of that is mutually exclusive. Perhaps setting it in a Country or a Suburb along with the city might knock the place part of the sub-genre for a loop, but there is nothing in the word "Urban" that says "Thou Shalt not set this in historical times."
I, personally, would think the article is defining, Contemporary (time period genre) Earth-based (general setting genre) Urban (Specific setting genre) fantasy, rather than Urban fantasy.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 14:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that a couple of editors have objected to some of the examples cited in the article. This is fine, as long as we talk things out here. As it stands, most paragraphs in the "Characteristics" section begin by describing a characteristic of urban fantasy. They then provide examples of how certain books use the ideas differently.
This approach earned the article a "B" rating, from two different editors, a little over a year ago. I'm not certain how this differs much from a similar section in the "Werewolf" article (also rated "B").
However, some editors seem to have taken issue with this -- and with certain sources which were included for descriptive purposes. If anyone has suggestions for changing the article/sources, or if you feel that things are in decent shape, please share your thoughts. Thanks. -- James26 ( talk) 21:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Now that we've discussed things, I'm not opposed to anyone tagging this appropriately for clean-up if they feel a tag is really necessary (I didn't think the "source" tag used by another editor was appropriate, for the reasons mentioned in edit history -- and also because the less notable sources contain statements by people in publishing). I ultimately want what's beneficial for the article. -- James26 ( talk) 18:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
This article has several problems. One is that people writing it apparently don't have a solid grounding in the recent history of fantasy. Perfectly illustrated with the position of Emma Bull in the article. Emma Bull's War for the Oaks is one of the books that caused the label to be coined, together with, for instance, the Borderland series edited by Terry Windling (Life on the Border, Bordertown and Borderland). There are other writers included in that initial wave of the subgenre like, off the top of my head, Megan Lindholm (that is, the later Robin Hobb) with Wizard of the Pigeons, Bull's husband Will Shetterly, Charles de Lint and so on.
Second, the definition. Yes, people started putting everything and anything under the label. But that initial wave had pretty strict rules - take your average modern American city, add high fantasy creatures (elves, goblins, shifters, leprechauns etc.) or just magic in it, and you've got urban fantasy. Yes, it focuses on the place, but equally or possibly even more importantly, it focuses on the intrusion of the fantastic into everyday world. Urban fantasy has to be set in the everyday world, mostly cities, but not every fantasy that's set in a city is urban fantasy. For example, Glen Cook's P.I. Garrett series is (mostly) set in cities, but it's not urban fantasy.
Which brings me to third. Quite a lot of books mentioned in the article simply took off from urban fantasy and created subgenres of their own, using the setting for their own purposes. I don't think that books focusing on romantic elements or how cool vampires are should be classified as urban fantasy. It's just like with cyberpunk. There are so many books with cyberpunk elements now, but they are not cyberpunk. So, while Sookie Stackhouse might be classified as urban fantasy, I'd say that Anita Blake is not. In the same vein, I'd also say that Butcher's Dresden is definitely urban fantasy.
BTW, this is not original research, this is experience. :) I've read quite a lot of urban fantasy books as they were coming out plus discussed them in various places, sometimes with their authors. Vlatkojk ( talk) 15:44, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I removed a number of citations that were either needless or too subjective to be included here--like those links to blogs. This article is supposed to be encyclopedic, but it didn't read like an encyclopedia article. It's true, just go to a local library and look through those thick encyclopedias. If you plan on editing a page you should know what these encyclopedia articles cite, reference, and STATE without referencing. Verifyable information is needed, but if this is a true secondary source of information, then it must make its own assertions. For example, we don't need to cite any source in the first few sentences. Unless, of course, you make a reference to what someone said about the genre--some anecdote--like, Anita Blake has called the UF genre, "The best thing to happen to Fantasy." That would need a citation in order to verify that Anite Blake (if she was real) indeed said it. But to add citations to this article's very definition of what we mean to discuss is ridiculous.
Also, I'm going to try and eliminate all citations that go to an author's blog, unless that information has something to do with that particular author or their books. This article is not meant to show Author X's version of Urban Fantasy; information from an author's blog is relevant if it adds to what article says. For example, if in one of the sections you say that Urban Fantasy protagonists are rarely homosexual, then you can add a quote from an author that might explain why they do not, and after discuss other authors.
The sections on "adult" and "young adult" UF seem irrelevant, since it does not make sense to shrink such vast discussions. I plan on adding a section called "The Urban Fantasy Definition Debate" which discusses the vast differences among authors over what constitutes Urban Fantasy. I also will add a section called "Etymology" which will include referenced material that shows how the term Urban Fantasy came about.
***
Okay, I started the changes, though they are by no means complete. What I am going to do next is delete all those citations that link to blog entries--why you would use these, I don't know. I think many of the people who edit these pages don't understand the difference between verifiable information and information that needs to be cited. For example, if I write that Neil Gaiman said on his blog that Urban Fantasy is childish, then that would be something that needs a citation, preferably a link to this entry (if it still exists). But if I say that his novel, American Gods, includes an assortment of mythical deities, then that information is verifiable--that means it can be proven correct, either by reading the novel or by looking up the information in a library catalog or a similar database; it doesn't need a citation from a page or book that says that American Gods does indeed include an assortment of deities.
In this article you guys ran amok with citations.
Okay, I added an Etymology section that is very thorough and well-researched. Later on, I will expand the History section before beefing up the Hardboiled Detective Urban Fantasy sub-section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louis Corsair ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
I just deleted about a dozen of the authors of Urban Fantasy you had in the author's section. They just don't belong on this page. Charlaine Harris doesn't write Urban Fantasy, she write rural fantasy. Others write similar things. If your authors write fantasy set in rural places or schools or the like, then it likely is not urban fantasy, but contemporary fantasy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louis Corsair ( talk • contribs) 23:02, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Louis Corsair (
talk)
07:59, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
I went ahead and expanded the Hardboiled Urban Fantasy section and will follow it up with a few references to opinions about the subject. Louis Corsair ( talk) 18:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Dear James,
The problem with citing authors and their opinions is that there are a ***t load of them who are self-proclaimed urban fantasy writers. In that case, who do we cite here? This is especially problematic if their views conflict--and right now, the views on most blogs that talk about urban fantasy conflict in one way or another. I'm an urban fantasy author too and I disagree with that initial definition that stands now. Can I change that and then cite my own blog as "verification" of the information? It doesn't make sense. Also, if we were to forget academic rules and use the thoughts of a "professional" urban fantasy author, then for decency's sake use the thoughts of an established author, someone well known, like Neil Gaiman, Mercedes Lackey, etc., not the thoughts of some unknown (the beginning of this article cites Jeannie Holmes).
Case in point: I'm going to delete that line where you cite Jeannie Holmes' personal blog and replace it with a number of citations from books, whose thoughts agree with my own on this subject--George R.R. Martin, and others. Louis Corsair ( talk) 05:20, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
I added whitespace for readability, both readable code and (except the latest, extra-long section) indentation where appropriate.
I moved two "recent" sections down from the top, where they must have been inserted, to Sections 8 and 10 (of eleven). They may have been missed. --although there was a reply to current section 10 #Problems the last day this page was revised. -- P64 ( talk) 20:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Problem there is that it is defining paranormal or supernatural Fantasy by focusing on the problems from the paranormal or supernatural. For it to count as Urban, the city has to be a major influence on the problems the characters face. (as per the definition from the critics). So instead of listing the paranormal aspects, which should get a side mention that these two are often paired in contemporary times, shouldn't the article focus on how problems of the city, urban living, etc in fantastical ways affects the characters? Leave the paranormal and supernatural to the paranormal and supernatural fantasy article. How does it relate to the city? i.e. What makes it Urban Fantasy? Not what makes it paranormal/supernatural fantasy and by the way, did you know it was Urban Fantasy? Please fix the examples to keep inline with the definition.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 03:34, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
in the adult and teen sections there is a whole lot of random examples of books and authors(with descriptions) of no particular note compared to the vast majority of other urban fiction. especially as its highly subjective and the examples are extremely narrow. the first example Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake series makes sense, though it should have a link to whomever was making the claim about it being influential.
i propose a list in each section using a table featuring a range of notable works with only title, author and possibly a good-reads score similar to how movies and TV shows are done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.189.95.164 ( talk) 08:40, 26 April 2017 (UTC)