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Is there a high speed internet connection there? -- LMS
Charter Communications has some customers up there, and the unversities would have some access... but generally, no. Why do you ask, Larry? -- trimalchio
I have confirmed that Charter Comm offers high speed cable internet in Marquette, Michigan which is the home of Northern Michigan University. -t
Because I'm looking for places to live (I can live anywhere, more or less) and wondering if the U.P. should be on the list! --LMS
High speed access is available in most of the largest towns (Marquette and area, Houghton, Sault Ste. Marie). Anywhere that you can get cable (most places that aren't truly in the middle of nowhere), you can get reasonably high speed access. -- dcclark
Added mention of discovery of gold deposits in U.P. -- Daniel C. Boyer
I seem to remember learning in my ninth grade health class that there is an illegal drug called methcathinone (or something similar) that is used virtually exclusively in the UP, and that use is epidemic there. Does anybody know if this is/was true? Tokerboy 04:21 Nov 24, 2002 (UTC)
Yes and no; this was invented in Marquette, in the dorms of Northern Michigan University, and was (somewhat) popular some years ago but use has dramatically fallen off since the mid-1990s. I wouldn't call it really endemic even at its height and it its use is pretty rare now. -- Daniel C. Boyer
"More realistically, there is a strong movement in the Upper Peninsula for secession..." More realistically than what? - Molinari 01:25 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Unless you like bitter cold temperatures in the winter and virtually no warm weather in the summer, I would not recommend moving here to the U.P. We do not have many fast food restaurants, modern shopping centers or big city entertainment.
Can we create a new article to put all the information about the details and timelines surrounding Michigan's admittance into the union as a state? I've been trying to trim that paragraph down into something that a person can read through and get a sense of how and why the U.P. became part of Michigan, without getting sidetracked into the minutiae of how it unfolded. I don't think the dates, who convened the convention, the official territorial status of which parcel of land, and how hasty it was is really important to the topic of this article, or to the key point here: that the U.P. was given to Michigan in trade for Toledo. Tverbeek 03:04, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
As discussed in the pasty article, pasties really aren't fast food. I removed the pasty vs. hamburger comment and added a sentence about their popularity among locals and tourists. -- Dcclark 04:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Agreed - fast to heat up and eat, but only true Yoopers have the time, ability and patience to make a great pasty. It's a process. Thanks for changing it.
Is korppu really spelled korpu in the U.P.? I didn't correct this right away, because it is quite possible that the second p was dropped from spelling because of influence of English. What about nisu? It sounds a bit old-fashioned, pulla is more often used in modern Finnish. This is understandable, because those Finns came to the U.P. about a hundred years ago. I was just wondering if the word pulla is also recognized there? -- SGJ 18:11, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
The "Economy and culture" section should also contain information about the rise and fall of the copper mining industry. --
Petri Krohn
09:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
in the U.P. nisu is called nisu and Korppu is spelled korpu. Most of the Finnish language spoken here is old school Finnish. Most of the immigrants that moved here spoke Finnish that was spoken at the time they left Finland(late 1800's or early 1900's). Thus, the Finnish spoken here is older and not as modern. In fact when we go back to the mother land (Finland), the younger fins there don't understand the older language/slang (even if comming from the mouth of us younger fins). However, most of the language differences are recognizable. For the American's it's like speaking the British English of the revolution period. Not the (American) English we come to understand and use today.
Thomas J. Hiltunen
Copper Country copper mining ended with the closure of the White Pine mine... that I know of, there haven't been any active mines up here since.
MathieuM 09:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a travel or real estate agency or a networking site. MPS 05:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I've made a new category: Category:Upper Peninsula of Michigan for UP-related articles. There are a lot, so any help categorizing things would be greatly appreciated! I imagine there is some use for subcategories as well (such as Keweenaw, especially). -- dcclark ( talk) 21:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I just added a section on time zones—i hope you like it. I couldn't find what year the majority of the U.P. went from CST to EST, although anecdotal evidence and an author suggest it may have been around 1970-1973. Does anyone know the exact date or year?
Also, i have heard that some residents are pushing for the U.P. to go back to Central Time, but i couldn't find any sources to back that up, or much information about it at all. If anyone knows more about that, it would make a great addition to this section.
Thanks,
Foobaz·
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22:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
This totally reads like orig. research, and I doubt this is at all a currently notable movement. Cornell Rockey 04:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Regardless, I am going to rewrite the first two paragraphs of the section, as there is much redundant information. - Sarfa 22:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The politics section has been removed, re-added, and removed again. I feel that some variation on that section is useful, at least to list the senator and representatives from the UP, and their parties. The interpretation that goes along with it (that the UP is somehow progressive politically) is questionable, but interesting. I'd love to see sources. As it is, please stop removing the section whole cloth and allow the obviously correct section (the names of the congressmen and women) to remain. -- dcclark ( talk) 13:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Why was the city of Mackinac Island not included in this table? It is part of Mackinaw county and th U.P. with a poulation of 500 and an are of 3.8 square miles (9.8 km²). (Khaose1)
I started a transportation section. It will need more subsections. I would respectfully suggest that a good source for this would be Transportation in the Upper Peninsula. which has a good compendium of information on transportation in the UP. We need to put in all the ferries (including Pictured Rocks and Isle Royal and Drummond Island. Need to put in Railways. Walking/hiking. Bicycling. Public Transportation. Buses. Transportation in the Upper Peninsula. Just a few thoughts. I need HELP PLEASE. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 04:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
I am thinking that this should be included, but I don't have any idea where it runs or what it is called. I think that there are county roads involved. Help, please. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 01:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
I thin that there is at least one really unique bridge on US-2 that should also be mentioned. It was quite an engineering feat at the time, I think. And its really beautiful, too. Anybody got some information to put in the article? Please help . 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 22:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Stan Could this be the Eagle River Bridge? http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-9620_11057-173540--,00.html
The following is a list of all the zoos and planetariums in the state of Michigan from this webiste:
http://www.michigan.org/travel/attractions/?city=G2760&m=2;4
*Deer Forest Fun Park Coloma 140
Some of these are definitely in the Yooper and should be consider for listing, either in this article or in individual cities.
Anywayz, I'm putting this up for your introspection and possible actions. Best. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 02:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
The Porcupine Mountains, the oldest mountains in North America (underneath the picture of a vista in the Porcupines). Are they really the oldest? It isn't said on the main page for them, and I didn't find a reference that stated so. Can anyone shed some light on the situation? The Umbrella Corporation ( talk) 20:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
This is just a shameless promotion of a new userbox tag I created for anyone who wishes to let others know that they are Yoopers. Feel free to include this in your User Page. To do this, just copy and paste this tag into your User Page, it will automatically generate the userbox:
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Saukkomies
talk
19:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The mentions of newspapers needs to be cleaned up. The Mining Journal is not the primary paper for the UP, it's just the only paper that publishes on Sundays. I would argue, even though I'm from Negaunee, that the papers in Iron Mountain, Escanaba, Houghton and the Soo are just as important as The Mining Journal even though they don't have Sunday editions. Actually, I'm fairly certain that it isn't circulated UP-wide except on Sundays. Otherwise I think they only distribute it through Baraga, Marquette and Alger counties the rest of the week. Imzadi1979 ( talk) 11:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
this article could really use a map showing exactly where the region is. Kingturtle 22:40, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The peninsula is located along the south shore of Lake Superior and stops at the Wisconsin state line on the west end.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UPAncbymunicipality.png map shows African American as a category with parts of Alger and (maybe) Luce shaded as such. There is no place in the Upper Peninsula where African Americans make up the majority of a municipality. This map should be deleted or fixed (where did the relevant info come from anyways?). I'm surprised this has stayed on the page almost a year. talk) 02:18, 26 March 2010
Information for the map came directly from the Census Bureau. It was obtained using the Census factfinder. The African-American plurality areas are correct. These municipalities are home to prisons, which house many minority inmates from downstate. Furthermore, they are located in remote areas, which accounts for African-Americans making up a plurality of the population. It is not an error at all. The reason the map isn't "sourced" is because it's not possible to link directly to a census factfinder page; you have to navigate to it first. If any further clarification is needed, please ask. Chflitwick ( talk) 21:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
(Margin realigned)
This is indeed a fascinating discussion. Living in Houghton County, I can absolutely attest that the demographics are not 37% African American in the community population outside of the prison (which I'm assuming must be Camp Kitwin). So, in order to accurately describe the demographics of Houghton Township, I would imagine it would be necessary to look into how other places handle this - I'm sure there are many. Maybe someone at the Census Bureau would know... I will check with a friend of mine who is a Government Publications Librarian at the Michigan Tech University to see if she can find out what the standard practice is regarding this - she's pretty good at finding this sort of thing out - and I'll report back here what she discovered. -- Saukkomies talk 09:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
(margin readjusted)
I got a reply from my Government Documents reference librarian friend about the issue regarding how the demographics of prison inmates is dealt with by the Federal Government. Here is her reply:
The populations of prisons are included in the housing segment called "group housing", which includes nursing homes, college dorms and group homes for the mentally ill. To parse that data out you may go to American Fact Finder and use the detailed tables there.
Here is the page for the 2000 data sets, it'll be a while before the 2010 stuff comes out.
You want Census 2000 Summary File 1 (SF 1) 100-Percent Data, click on Detailed Tables
Select the geographic type and area, click Add, then click Next
In the choose a table selection method scroll down to PCT 16 "Group Quarters Population by Group Quarters Type"
Click Add, click Show Result
You can pull it out by race or sex and age, but I still think you have to go back and subtract it from the other data.
So, the way that this is handled is to provide two separate lists of demographics - one that is an overall list including the inmates, and another that excludes them. This would be done whenever the demographics of a particular political area would be significantly effected by prison populations (and other such things as mentioned in her quote).
I hope this helps. I'll leave it to someone else to do the muscle work of figuring it all out. -- Saukkomies talk 22:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me that there should be more discussion of fishing as it relates to the UP economy and cuisine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.67.179.8 ( talk) 18:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone out there have any information, photos, etc. regarding the downtown areas of either Calumet or Laurium? I run a resale/antique shop in downtown Laurium, and would like to put together a publication regarding this subject. Please get back to me if you would like to help me out with this.
jim upresale@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/upresale
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Is there a high speed internet connection there? -- LMS
Charter Communications has some customers up there, and the unversities would have some access... but generally, no. Why do you ask, Larry? -- trimalchio
I have confirmed that Charter Comm offers high speed cable internet in Marquette, Michigan which is the home of Northern Michigan University. -t
Because I'm looking for places to live (I can live anywhere, more or less) and wondering if the U.P. should be on the list! --LMS
High speed access is available in most of the largest towns (Marquette and area, Houghton, Sault Ste. Marie). Anywhere that you can get cable (most places that aren't truly in the middle of nowhere), you can get reasonably high speed access. -- dcclark
Added mention of discovery of gold deposits in U.P. -- Daniel C. Boyer
I seem to remember learning in my ninth grade health class that there is an illegal drug called methcathinone (or something similar) that is used virtually exclusively in the UP, and that use is epidemic there. Does anybody know if this is/was true? Tokerboy 04:21 Nov 24, 2002 (UTC)
Yes and no; this was invented in Marquette, in the dorms of Northern Michigan University, and was (somewhat) popular some years ago but use has dramatically fallen off since the mid-1990s. I wouldn't call it really endemic even at its height and it its use is pretty rare now. -- Daniel C. Boyer
"More realistically, there is a strong movement in the Upper Peninsula for secession..." More realistically than what? - Molinari 01:25 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Unless you like bitter cold temperatures in the winter and virtually no warm weather in the summer, I would not recommend moving here to the U.P. We do not have many fast food restaurants, modern shopping centers or big city entertainment.
Can we create a new article to put all the information about the details and timelines surrounding Michigan's admittance into the union as a state? I've been trying to trim that paragraph down into something that a person can read through and get a sense of how and why the U.P. became part of Michigan, without getting sidetracked into the minutiae of how it unfolded. I don't think the dates, who convened the convention, the official territorial status of which parcel of land, and how hasty it was is really important to the topic of this article, or to the key point here: that the U.P. was given to Michigan in trade for Toledo. Tverbeek 03:04, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
As discussed in the pasty article, pasties really aren't fast food. I removed the pasty vs. hamburger comment and added a sentence about their popularity among locals and tourists. -- Dcclark 04:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Agreed - fast to heat up and eat, but only true Yoopers have the time, ability and patience to make a great pasty. It's a process. Thanks for changing it.
Is korppu really spelled korpu in the U.P.? I didn't correct this right away, because it is quite possible that the second p was dropped from spelling because of influence of English. What about nisu? It sounds a bit old-fashioned, pulla is more often used in modern Finnish. This is understandable, because those Finns came to the U.P. about a hundred years ago. I was just wondering if the word pulla is also recognized there? -- SGJ 18:11, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
The "Economy and culture" section should also contain information about the rise and fall of the copper mining industry. --
Petri Krohn
09:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
in the U.P. nisu is called nisu and Korppu is spelled korpu. Most of the Finnish language spoken here is old school Finnish. Most of the immigrants that moved here spoke Finnish that was spoken at the time they left Finland(late 1800's or early 1900's). Thus, the Finnish spoken here is older and not as modern. In fact when we go back to the mother land (Finland), the younger fins there don't understand the older language/slang (even if comming from the mouth of us younger fins). However, most of the language differences are recognizable. For the American's it's like speaking the British English of the revolution period. Not the (American) English we come to understand and use today.
Thomas J. Hiltunen
Copper Country copper mining ended with the closure of the White Pine mine... that I know of, there haven't been any active mines up here since.
MathieuM 09:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a travel or real estate agency or a networking site. MPS 05:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I've made a new category: Category:Upper Peninsula of Michigan for UP-related articles. There are a lot, so any help categorizing things would be greatly appreciated! I imagine there is some use for subcategories as well (such as Keweenaw, especially). -- dcclark ( talk) 21:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I just added a section on time zones—i hope you like it. I couldn't find what year the majority of the U.P. went from CST to EST, although anecdotal evidence and an author suggest it may have been around 1970-1973. Does anyone know the exact date or year?
Also, i have heard that some residents are pushing for the U.P. to go back to Central Time, but i couldn't find any sources to back that up, or much information about it at all. If anyone knows more about that, it would make a great addition to this section.
Thanks,
Foobaz·
o<
22:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
This totally reads like orig. research, and I doubt this is at all a currently notable movement. Cornell Rockey 04:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Regardless, I am going to rewrite the first two paragraphs of the section, as there is much redundant information. - Sarfa 22:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The politics section has been removed, re-added, and removed again. I feel that some variation on that section is useful, at least to list the senator and representatives from the UP, and their parties. The interpretation that goes along with it (that the UP is somehow progressive politically) is questionable, but interesting. I'd love to see sources. As it is, please stop removing the section whole cloth and allow the obviously correct section (the names of the congressmen and women) to remain. -- dcclark ( talk) 13:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Why was the city of Mackinac Island not included in this table? It is part of Mackinaw county and th U.P. with a poulation of 500 and an are of 3.8 square miles (9.8 km²). (Khaose1)
I started a transportation section. It will need more subsections. I would respectfully suggest that a good source for this would be Transportation in the Upper Peninsula. which has a good compendium of information on transportation in the UP. We need to put in all the ferries (including Pictured Rocks and Isle Royal and Drummond Island. Need to put in Railways. Walking/hiking. Bicycling. Public Transportation. Buses. Transportation in the Upper Peninsula. Just a few thoughts. I need HELP PLEASE. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 04:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
I am thinking that this should be included, but I don't have any idea where it runs or what it is called. I think that there are county roads involved. Help, please. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 01:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
I thin that there is at least one really unique bridge on US-2 that should also be mentioned. It was quite an engineering feat at the time, I think. And its really beautiful, too. Anybody got some information to put in the article? Please help . 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 22:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Stan Could this be the Eagle River Bridge? http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-9620_11057-173540--,00.html
The following is a list of all the zoos and planetariums in the state of Michigan from this webiste:
http://www.michigan.org/travel/attractions/?city=G2760&m=2;4
*Deer Forest Fun Park Coloma 140
Some of these are definitely in the Yooper and should be consider for listing, either in this article or in individual cities.
Anywayz, I'm putting this up for your introspection and possible actions. Best. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 02:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
The Porcupine Mountains, the oldest mountains in North America (underneath the picture of a vista in the Porcupines). Are they really the oldest? It isn't said on the main page for them, and I didn't find a reference that stated so. Can anyone shed some light on the situation? The Umbrella Corporation ( talk) 20:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
This is just a shameless promotion of a new userbox tag I created for anyone who wishes to let others know that they are Yoopers. Feel free to include this in your User Page. To do this, just copy and paste this tag into your User Page, it will automatically generate the userbox:
{{Template:User Yooper}}
This is what it will look like on your page:
I am also including a plug to include the "Wikipedians from the Upper Peninsula" category to the bottom of your User Page. By pasting the appropriate category tag in your User Page, you will automatically be added to the list. If you're interested, just click on the link below to take you to the category page, where it gives instructions on how to do this:
Wikipedians from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan
There are more of us Yooper Wiki editors out there than people think (I mean, come on - what better way to spend all those long winter months than to take up the hobby of editing Wikipedia articles about snow). Here's your chance to show we're out there! --
Saukkomies
talk
19:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The mentions of newspapers needs to be cleaned up. The Mining Journal is not the primary paper for the UP, it's just the only paper that publishes on Sundays. I would argue, even though I'm from Negaunee, that the papers in Iron Mountain, Escanaba, Houghton and the Soo are just as important as The Mining Journal even though they don't have Sunday editions. Actually, I'm fairly certain that it isn't circulated UP-wide except on Sundays. Otherwise I think they only distribute it through Baraga, Marquette and Alger counties the rest of the week. Imzadi1979 ( talk) 11:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
this article could really use a map showing exactly where the region is. Kingturtle 22:40, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The peninsula is located along the south shore of Lake Superior and stops at the Wisconsin state line on the west end.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UPAncbymunicipality.png map shows African American as a category with parts of Alger and (maybe) Luce shaded as such. There is no place in the Upper Peninsula where African Americans make up the majority of a municipality. This map should be deleted or fixed (where did the relevant info come from anyways?). I'm surprised this has stayed on the page almost a year. talk) 02:18, 26 March 2010
Information for the map came directly from the Census Bureau. It was obtained using the Census factfinder. The African-American plurality areas are correct. These municipalities are home to prisons, which house many minority inmates from downstate. Furthermore, they are located in remote areas, which accounts for African-Americans making up a plurality of the population. It is not an error at all. The reason the map isn't "sourced" is because it's not possible to link directly to a census factfinder page; you have to navigate to it first. If any further clarification is needed, please ask. Chflitwick ( talk) 21:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
(Margin realigned)
This is indeed a fascinating discussion. Living in Houghton County, I can absolutely attest that the demographics are not 37% African American in the community population outside of the prison (which I'm assuming must be Camp Kitwin). So, in order to accurately describe the demographics of Houghton Township, I would imagine it would be necessary to look into how other places handle this - I'm sure there are many. Maybe someone at the Census Bureau would know... I will check with a friend of mine who is a Government Publications Librarian at the Michigan Tech University to see if she can find out what the standard practice is regarding this - she's pretty good at finding this sort of thing out - and I'll report back here what she discovered. -- Saukkomies talk 09:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
(margin readjusted)
I got a reply from my Government Documents reference librarian friend about the issue regarding how the demographics of prison inmates is dealt with by the Federal Government. Here is her reply:
The populations of prisons are included in the housing segment called "group housing", which includes nursing homes, college dorms and group homes for the mentally ill. To parse that data out you may go to American Fact Finder and use the detailed tables there.
Here is the page for the 2000 data sets, it'll be a while before the 2010 stuff comes out.
You want Census 2000 Summary File 1 (SF 1) 100-Percent Data, click on Detailed Tables
Select the geographic type and area, click Add, then click Next
In the choose a table selection method scroll down to PCT 16 "Group Quarters Population by Group Quarters Type"
Click Add, click Show Result
You can pull it out by race or sex and age, but I still think you have to go back and subtract it from the other data.
So, the way that this is handled is to provide two separate lists of demographics - one that is an overall list including the inmates, and another that excludes them. This would be done whenever the demographics of a particular political area would be significantly effected by prison populations (and other such things as mentioned in her quote).
I hope this helps. I'll leave it to someone else to do the muscle work of figuring it all out. -- Saukkomies talk 22:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me that there should be more discussion of fishing as it relates to the UP economy and cuisine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.67.179.8 ( talk) 18:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone out there have any information, photos, etc. regarding the downtown areas of either Calumet or Laurium? I run a resale/antique shop in downtown Laurium, and would like to put together a publication regarding this subject. Please get back to me if you would like to help me out with this.
jim upresale@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/upresale