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Wouldn't this area also include areas that are in present-day southeastern Turkey? Sanli Urfa, for instance? john k 16:44, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
However, Urfa (ar-Ruha, Edessa) was traditionally part of the Mesopotamia province of the Byzantines which was lumped together under al-Jazira by the Umayyads. So, there might be some merits to this.-- Khodadad 08:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Would this not be better entitled al-Jazira,_Mesopotamia? It's quite unusual to see the Arabic definite article given as a separate word, IMO. Palmiro 18:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I have a sneaking suspicion that "riparian plain" is not the right description here. The riparian zone is the band of land immediately adjactent to a channel (and some of the channel) — it's on the order of metres to 10s of metres (perhaps more for the Amazon). A riparian plain is better known as a floodplain. However, I think this plain is much much bigger. An alluvial plain, perhaps, if not simply a plain? Cheers, Daniel Collins 22:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC).
This article could use a map to make it really helpful. Stephen C. Carlson 01:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Geographically in English this area is called Upper Mesopotamia. Moving the article there would get rid of any confusion with former provinces called al-Jazira, and clarify that this is a geographical area and not a political one. The redirect would take care of links from Al-Jazira, Mesopotamia. -- Bejnar ( talk) 01:18, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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The Syriac name is only relevant at the point it was inserted if it relates to the Arabic name, for which I could not find a source. Does anyone have a source for that? The Arabic name means island in Arabic, which some have claimed is because it is the island between the Tigris and the Euphrates; however in actual usage the territory so named does not correspond to that island, (1) because it doesn't go downstream far enough, and (2) because it includes highlands to the east and west of the two rivers. The Syriac name might be interesting, hence I placed it in a note. It would be also be interesting to know what the Roman and Parthian names were for the area. Then a whole section could be devoted to the naming discussion. Now as Syriac and Arabic are both Central Semitic languages and Syriac was spoken in Upper Mesopotamia prior to the Arab invasion, it is reasonable to conjecture that the island name in Arabic was taken from a similar sounding island name in Syriac. However, without a citation, it remains original research. -- Bejnar ( talk) 21:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
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Wouldn't this area also include areas that are in present-day southeastern Turkey? Sanli Urfa, for instance? john k 16:44, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
However, Urfa (ar-Ruha, Edessa) was traditionally part of the Mesopotamia province of the Byzantines which was lumped together under al-Jazira by the Umayyads. So, there might be some merits to this.-- Khodadad 08:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Would this not be better entitled al-Jazira,_Mesopotamia? It's quite unusual to see the Arabic definite article given as a separate word, IMO. Palmiro 18:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I have a sneaking suspicion that "riparian plain" is not the right description here. The riparian zone is the band of land immediately adjactent to a channel (and some of the channel) — it's on the order of metres to 10s of metres (perhaps more for the Amazon). A riparian plain is better known as a floodplain. However, I think this plain is much much bigger. An alluvial plain, perhaps, if not simply a plain? Cheers, Daniel Collins 22:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC).
This article could use a map to make it really helpful. Stephen C. Carlson 01:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Geographically in English this area is called Upper Mesopotamia. Moving the article there would get rid of any confusion with former provinces called al-Jazira, and clarify that this is a geographical area and not a political one. The redirect would take care of links from Al-Jazira, Mesopotamia. -- Bejnar ( talk) 01:18, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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The Syriac name is only relevant at the point it was inserted if it relates to the Arabic name, for which I could not find a source. Does anyone have a source for that? The Arabic name means island in Arabic, which some have claimed is because it is the island between the Tigris and the Euphrates; however in actual usage the territory so named does not correspond to that island, (1) because it doesn't go downstream far enough, and (2) because it includes highlands to the east and west of the two rivers. The Syriac name might be interesting, hence I placed it in a note. It would be also be interesting to know what the Roman and Parthian names were for the area. Then a whole section could be devoted to the naming discussion. Now as Syriac and Arabic are both Central Semitic languages and Syriac was spoken in Upper Mesopotamia prior to the Arab invasion, it is reasonable to conjecture that the island name in Arabic was taken from a similar sounding island name in Syriac. However, without a citation, it remains original research. -- Bejnar ( talk) 21:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)