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Interesting isn't it, that such names are found in upper Macedon, as well as just south of Macedon (>Perrhaibon, a district that can be said to have been between Macedon and Thessaly); and even in Macedon "proper" (> Cyrrhus). Hmm ... maybe that's because these forms were Macedonian forms after all. Alexander 007 08:01, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Non-Hellenic, as far as I can tell, is defined according to whether a given element has a Greek Indo-European etymology or not. For instance, Pyrrhus can be said to be Hellenic. Cyrrhus, until it has an agreed upon Greek etymology, cannot be said to be Hellenic. So, at present, such terms are in a kind of "limbo", until new research gives them etymologies, demonstrating that they are Greek or non-Greek. Alexander 007 20:41, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Exactly, so those terms are generally considered pre-Greek or "non-Greek" (though they have become Greek). Those Macedonian examples may also be from a pre-Greek substratum, but they may all be native (which would have interesting implications if they can't be given Greek etymologies), or they may be from an adstratum (late loans). Alexander 007 20:51, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
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Interesting isn't it, that such names are found in upper Macedon, as well as just south of Macedon (>Perrhaibon, a district that can be said to have been between Macedon and Thessaly); and even in Macedon "proper" (> Cyrrhus). Hmm ... maybe that's because these forms were Macedonian forms after all. Alexander 007 08:01, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Non-Hellenic, as far as I can tell, is defined according to whether a given element has a Greek Indo-European etymology or not. For instance, Pyrrhus can be said to be Hellenic. Cyrrhus, until it has an agreed upon Greek etymology, cannot be said to be Hellenic. So, at present, such terms are in a kind of "limbo", until new research gives them etymologies, demonstrating that they are Greek or non-Greek. Alexander 007 20:41, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Exactly, so those terms are generally considered pre-Greek or "non-Greek" (though they have become Greek). Those Macedonian examples may also be from a pre-Greek substratum, but they may all be native (which would have interesting implications if they can't be given Greek etymologies), or they may be from an adstratum (late loans). Alexander 007 20:51, 18 July 2005 (UTC)