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I wanted to make the notion of "clinging" more concrete (for instance, how do you know when you are experiencing "clinging"?), so I added some text from the Abhidhammattha Sangaha. However, doing this made this short article look pretty unstructured. So, wanting to add structure -- and also knowing how some Buddhist practitioners find the Abhidhamma and its commentary to be anathema -- I gave the new material the heading of "From the Abhidhamma Pitaka." To then counter balance this, I gave the preceding material the heading of "From the Sutta Pitaka." However, this last change necessitated shifting around some text that was general to Buddhism versus text that pertained to the Sutta's exposition of the 12 Nidanas.
I regret if this restructuring or introduction of headers has caused me to delete a portion of text which someone else might have valued or to introduce any errors or, in anyone else's estimation, reduced the impact of this article. Please revert any such changes. Best wishes, LarryR 18:50, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
It appears that this article started as a disambiguation page and then morphed into a combo-Buddhism-Hinduism (or, chronologically, should that be combo-Hinduism-Buddhism?) page. Is this the right approach? Or should this current article be split into three pages: a disambiguation page, a "upadana (Buddhism)" page, and a "upadana (Hinduism)" page -- especially given that the terms' usages almost seem conceptually unrelated. Help from anyone with more than five weeks of Wikipedia experience appreciated. Thanks, LarryR 05:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been told by a person whose editorial instincts I greatly trust that the current Buddhism portion of this article (which I mostly wrote) is difficult to understand. Thus, I'd like to make some changes that I think would make it more readable but doing so would change aspects of this article that existed prior to my contributions. So, I'd like to run these changes by anyone following this article here on this talk page:
Thanks for any feedback. LarryR 12:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Within this article there is no hint to basic needs. Is it common knowledge that craving always refers to phenomena one does not actually need? ("The Basic Needs of Human Beings
Although society has been changed with the time the basic needs of people are the same as Buddha mentioned. Clothes, food, shelter and medicine are the basic needs of human beings.")cited from weblink; what about understanding and being understood? no need according to buddhism? is it termed upadana whenever you wish for communication?
Back in March 2012, an editor (who has made no other contributions and whose user page has been removed) added the following text to this article (after a discussion of the Pali canon's, the Abhidhamma's and Buddhaghosa's explications of the term):
I think that thinking of upadana as "raw material" could be useful; for instance, elsewhere in the article the notion that upadana originally meant "fuel" is discussed (and attributed to an internationally recognized source). In addition, I appreciate the sincerity of intention that went into this paragraph as indicated by its use of meaningful Pali phrases. But for this paragraph to state that upadna is unequivocally "raw materials" without citation, indicating that the only meaningful context for updana is in regards to the aggregates ( khandha) and then deducing that this somehow refutes the widespread, scholarly translation of upadana as "clinging" (e.g., for starters, the PED definition is at http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.0:1:3973.pali) appears to me to be poorly reasoned, unfounded, and harmful to readers of this article. Therefore, I'd like to remove this paragraph (and the related, similarly worded one stuck in at the very bottom of this article's section on "Buddhism"). Any objections?
Thanks, Larry Rosenfeld ( talk) 10:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
The 5 skandhas, which are also described as "clinging", are only listed here under "See also". There really needs to be an explanation here and under Skandhas of the relationship between these sets of ideas. Hans Wolfgang Schumann, in "Buddhism: An outline of its Teachings and Schools" actually lists the 5 Skandhas as Upadana-Kkandha.
-- 174.7.56.10 ( talk) 02:53, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
It was confusing and contradictory to Buddha's teachings and I cannot identify what it has to do with Upadana. Reading the source of this table ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sama%C3%B1%C3%B1aphala_Sutta ) clarified some things, but I think it should be clarified to readers why the table is there, or maybe the table should be removed.
115.132.144.11 ( talk) 15:20, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
The article states that "Upādāna (clinging) and taṇhā (desire) are seen as the two primary causes of suffering". But according to the theory behind vipassana, aversion is also a primary cause of suffering. Why isn't this mentioned, is it something that is not important in Buddhism? — Kri ( talk) 19:49, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
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I wanted to make the notion of "clinging" more concrete (for instance, how do you know when you are experiencing "clinging"?), so I added some text from the Abhidhammattha Sangaha. However, doing this made this short article look pretty unstructured. So, wanting to add structure -- and also knowing how some Buddhist practitioners find the Abhidhamma and its commentary to be anathema -- I gave the new material the heading of "From the Abhidhamma Pitaka." To then counter balance this, I gave the preceding material the heading of "From the Sutta Pitaka." However, this last change necessitated shifting around some text that was general to Buddhism versus text that pertained to the Sutta's exposition of the 12 Nidanas.
I regret if this restructuring or introduction of headers has caused me to delete a portion of text which someone else might have valued or to introduce any errors or, in anyone else's estimation, reduced the impact of this article. Please revert any such changes. Best wishes, LarryR 18:50, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
It appears that this article started as a disambiguation page and then morphed into a combo-Buddhism-Hinduism (or, chronologically, should that be combo-Hinduism-Buddhism?) page. Is this the right approach? Or should this current article be split into three pages: a disambiguation page, a "upadana (Buddhism)" page, and a "upadana (Hinduism)" page -- especially given that the terms' usages almost seem conceptually unrelated. Help from anyone with more than five weeks of Wikipedia experience appreciated. Thanks, LarryR 05:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been told by a person whose editorial instincts I greatly trust that the current Buddhism portion of this article (which I mostly wrote) is difficult to understand. Thus, I'd like to make some changes that I think would make it more readable but doing so would change aspects of this article that existed prior to my contributions. So, I'd like to run these changes by anyone following this article here on this talk page:
Thanks for any feedback. LarryR 12:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Within this article there is no hint to basic needs. Is it common knowledge that craving always refers to phenomena one does not actually need? ("The Basic Needs of Human Beings
Although society has been changed with the time the basic needs of people are the same as Buddha mentioned. Clothes, food, shelter and medicine are the basic needs of human beings.")cited from weblink; what about understanding and being understood? no need according to buddhism? is it termed upadana whenever you wish for communication?
Back in March 2012, an editor (who has made no other contributions and whose user page has been removed) added the following text to this article (after a discussion of the Pali canon's, the Abhidhamma's and Buddhaghosa's explications of the term):
I think that thinking of upadana as "raw material" could be useful; for instance, elsewhere in the article the notion that upadana originally meant "fuel" is discussed (and attributed to an internationally recognized source). In addition, I appreciate the sincerity of intention that went into this paragraph as indicated by its use of meaningful Pali phrases. But for this paragraph to state that upadna is unequivocally "raw materials" without citation, indicating that the only meaningful context for updana is in regards to the aggregates ( khandha) and then deducing that this somehow refutes the widespread, scholarly translation of upadana as "clinging" (e.g., for starters, the PED definition is at http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.0:1:3973.pali) appears to me to be poorly reasoned, unfounded, and harmful to readers of this article. Therefore, I'd like to remove this paragraph (and the related, similarly worded one stuck in at the very bottom of this article's section on "Buddhism"). Any objections?
Thanks, Larry Rosenfeld ( talk) 10:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
The 5 skandhas, which are also described as "clinging", are only listed here under "See also". There really needs to be an explanation here and under Skandhas of the relationship between these sets of ideas. Hans Wolfgang Schumann, in "Buddhism: An outline of its Teachings and Schools" actually lists the 5 Skandhas as Upadana-Kkandha.
-- 174.7.56.10 ( talk) 02:53, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
It was confusing and contradictory to Buddha's teachings and I cannot identify what it has to do with Upadana. Reading the source of this table ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sama%C3%B1%C3%B1aphala_Sutta ) clarified some things, but I think it should be clarified to readers why the table is there, or maybe the table should be removed.
115.132.144.11 ( talk) 15:20, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
The article states that "Upādāna (clinging) and taṇhā (desire) are seen as the two primary causes of suffering". But according to the theory behind vipassana, aversion is also a primary cause of suffering. Why isn't this mentioned, is it something that is not important in Buddhism? — Kri ( talk) 19:49, 29 July 2015 (UTC)