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how does this look as a format? i'm pondering recasting it in terms of ceremonial counties of England once i'm done (but then that does have the stockton problem) : perhaps better left as-is? the scheme ceremonial counties but with cleveland (and possibly avon) has certain merits but i don't want to do that. Morwen - Talk 15:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
this was generated by taking the list of UDs and boroughs from List of rural and urban districts in England and deleting the entries from the list at successor parishes! note i am ignoring the 5 split ones (e.g Billinge Chapel End, Lakes)
Is there a category for unparished areas, or if not, would it be useful to have one? DuncanHill 10:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
the idea is to list unparished areas in 1974, and then parishes created in these since. it is not intended to list every single parish in urban boroughs: we have a perfectly good List of civil parishes in Greater Manchester which does this. adding stuff like Ringway makes a nonsense of the purposes of the list. 83.146.2.234 11:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
There is a civil parish of Congleton. I'm not sure when it was established (or re-established). see here, in the section named "Town Councils"). Unless I am mistaken about what the list is supposed to show, Congleton should be removed from it.
Additionally, Chester (the central city part) is unparished, bar an anomalous small area Chester Castle (parish) in the middle of it As far as I know, it remained unparished from at least 1974, and possibly prior to that. It should be added to the list. To verify its unparished nature is a bit more tricky and time-consuming, but it can be done if so desired. Let me know. DDStretch (talk) 12:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Since there was some uncertainty about when Congleton civil parish was established, I emailed the Town Clerk about it (as I'd previously been in contact with him about other issues to do with the borough.) He emailed me back the Constitution of Congleton Town Council, which contains the information required. I include the relevant paragraphs below:
CONSTITUTION OF The District of Congleton was formed in April 1974 by the merger of 5 former urban and rural authorities, Alsager UDC, Congleton BC, Congleton RDC, Middlewich UDC and Sandbach UDC. The first election for the District Council being held in June 1973. The grant of a Charter was approved in May 1974 which gave the Council “Borough” status and authorised the office of Mayor as first citizen of the Borough.
The former Congleton Borough Council, abolished on 31st March 1974, had been responsible for the geographical area of Congleton Town, currently covered by the Town Council. It was a non-county Borough Council which served as a principal authority within a two tier local government system, sharing duties with Cheshire County Council.
Between 1974 and 1980, no formal “third tier” of local government was in place for the Town, however an informal body of former mayors lobbied for town council status.
Congleton Town Council was inaugurated in 1980, and took up its responsibilities in April 1981, to provide the local council tier of local government for the town of Congleton, serving approximately 28,000 residents. It exists to serve as a vehicle of local opinion; to provide an effective link between the local residents and council tax payers with the Borough and County councils; to express local feelings and interests and to keep watch on all developments within the Town. It has the statutory responsibility to examine plans due for consideration by the Borough Council as planning authority. It also manages a range of local services and facilities.
So, I consider it certain that 1980 is the year in which it was established. I'm not sure how this might be cited if that is required. DDStretch (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
is there anybody who could answer the following questions to somebody from the continent:
Thanks for help anyway.
-- Kallewirsch ( talk) 05:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
It would be good to have a list of current unparished areas by current county (rather than 1974 county) - it's quite difficult to identify from the list in the article which towns and cities do not have town/city councils.
The list also needs updating, e.g. St Austell, Maldon, Stroud, Andover, Malvern all now seem to be civil parishes with town councils (according to the relevant WP article or council website).-- Mhockey ( talk) 23:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I would suggest a separate list, leaving the present list in place (updated) to show the history of how we got here. I would use ceremonial county, which is how we categorise civil parishes ( Category:Civil parishes in England by county). I would not include (in the new list) former unparished areas such as Keynsham - if you wanted to know about them, you would use the present history-based list.-- Mhockey ( talk) 08:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I think a full-blown rewrite is needed based on current areas. I don't just mean using ceremonial instead of 1974 counties, but using current information to describe what the area actually is. Two examples:
The historical information should be brought fully up-to-date as well of course.-- Nilf anion ( talk) 17:25, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
There indeed is an order in September 2021 about an area moving Lubenham to Market Harborough unparished area but it it possible there has been a decision to parish the unparished area since then? I can't find any and there doesn't appear to be a town council and "Market Harborough Town Council" only returns a few results. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 16:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Is it still true that the whole city is unparished as I am sure that somewhere I read that Sutton-on-Hull had recently become a parish. Keith D ( talk) 15:39, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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how does this look as a format? i'm pondering recasting it in terms of ceremonial counties of England once i'm done (but then that does have the stockton problem) : perhaps better left as-is? the scheme ceremonial counties but with cleveland (and possibly avon) has certain merits but i don't want to do that. Morwen - Talk 15:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
this was generated by taking the list of UDs and boroughs from List of rural and urban districts in England and deleting the entries from the list at successor parishes! note i am ignoring the 5 split ones (e.g Billinge Chapel End, Lakes)
Is there a category for unparished areas, or if not, would it be useful to have one? DuncanHill 10:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
the idea is to list unparished areas in 1974, and then parishes created in these since. it is not intended to list every single parish in urban boroughs: we have a perfectly good List of civil parishes in Greater Manchester which does this. adding stuff like Ringway makes a nonsense of the purposes of the list. 83.146.2.234 11:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
There is a civil parish of Congleton. I'm not sure when it was established (or re-established). see here, in the section named "Town Councils"). Unless I am mistaken about what the list is supposed to show, Congleton should be removed from it.
Additionally, Chester (the central city part) is unparished, bar an anomalous small area Chester Castle (parish) in the middle of it As far as I know, it remained unparished from at least 1974, and possibly prior to that. It should be added to the list. To verify its unparished nature is a bit more tricky and time-consuming, but it can be done if so desired. Let me know. DDStretch (talk) 12:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Since there was some uncertainty about when Congleton civil parish was established, I emailed the Town Clerk about it (as I'd previously been in contact with him about other issues to do with the borough.) He emailed me back the Constitution of Congleton Town Council, which contains the information required. I include the relevant paragraphs below:
CONSTITUTION OF The District of Congleton was formed in April 1974 by the merger of 5 former urban and rural authorities, Alsager UDC, Congleton BC, Congleton RDC, Middlewich UDC and Sandbach UDC. The first election for the District Council being held in June 1973. The grant of a Charter was approved in May 1974 which gave the Council “Borough” status and authorised the office of Mayor as first citizen of the Borough.
The former Congleton Borough Council, abolished on 31st March 1974, had been responsible for the geographical area of Congleton Town, currently covered by the Town Council. It was a non-county Borough Council which served as a principal authority within a two tier local government system, sharing duties with Cheshire County Council.
Between 1974 and 1980, no formal “third tier” of local government was in place for the Town, however an informal body of former mayors lobbied for town council status.
Congleton Town Council was inaugurated in 1980, and took up its responsibilities in April 1981, to provide the local council tier of local government for the town of Congleton, serving approximately 28,000 residents. It exists to serve as a vehicle of local opinion; to provide an effective link between the local residents and council tax payers with the Borough and County councils; to express local feelings and interests and to keep watch on all developments within the Town. It has the statutory responsibility to examine plans due for consideration by the Borough Council as planning authority. It also manages a range of local services and facilities.
So, I consider it certain that 1980 is the year in which it was established. I'm not sure how this might be cited if that is required. DDStretch (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
is there anybody who could answer the following questions to somebody from the continent:
Thanks for help anyway.
-- Kallewirsch ( talk) 05:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
It would be good to have a list of current unparished areas by current county (rather than 1974 county) - it's quite difficult to identify from the list in the article which towns and cities do not have town/city councils.
The list also needs updating, e.g. St Austell, Maldon, Stroud, Andover, Malvern all now seem to be civil parishes with town councils (according to the relevant WP article or council website).-- Mhockey ( talk) 23:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I would suggest a separate list, leaving the present list in place (updated) to show the history of how we got here. I would use ceremonial county, which is how we categorise civil parishes ( Category:Civil parishes in England by county). I would not include (in the new list) former unparished areas such as Keynsham - if you wanted to know about them, you would use the present history-based list.-- Mhockey ( talk) 08:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I think a full-blown rewrite is needed based on current areas. I don't just mean using ceremonial instead of 1974 counties, but using current information to describe what the area actually is. Two examples:
The historical information should be brought fully up-to-date as well of course.-- Nilf anion ( talk) 17:25, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
There indeed is an order in September 2021 about an area moving Lubenham to Market Harborough unparished area but it it possible there has been a decision to parish the unparished area since then? I can't find any and there doesn't appear to be a town council and "Market Harborough Town Council" only returns a few results. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 16:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Is it still true that the whole city is unparished as I am sure that somewhere I read that Sutton-on-Hull had recently become a parish. Keith D ( talk) 15:39, 17 July 2022 (UTC)