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Hmmm... not sure about adding all the Island municipalities (and bodies of water) to the table. It's a lot cleaner, and more useful, if we keep it to neighbouring municipalities IMHO. (The centre colour is a nice touch, though!) -- Ckatz 19:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking of replacing the article's last sentence in the first paragraph with: "While not within Vancouver city limits and not controlled by the City of Vancouver, it is commonly referred to as part of Vancouver in casual conversation. For example, Canada Post uses Vancouver for UEL addresses. Additionally, the UEL is part of Zone 1 (the most inner-city zone) in TransLink’s zone fare system." to emphasize how for all practical purposes UEL is part of Vancouver. Any second opinions?
The sole purpose of this article is to cover the UEL, is it not?
1.The many references to the UBC lands make the article confusing and misleading.
2.UBC and the UEL are different entities. For example a resident of Hampton Place lives on land owned by the University (99 year lease). Whereas a resident of the UEl is not subjected to such a lease. http://www.ubc.ca/about/campus.html
3.The map covering both the UEL and UBC is also misleading. SEE http://uel.ceiarchitecture.com/uelmap.asp
-I recommend the establishment of a separate UBC lands article.
-The current article would only make sense in the event of an amalgamation between the UEl and UBC.
-In the meantime I'll head this article under UEL/UBC
!!!MASSIVE CLEAN-UP IS NEEDED!!!
Why not establish a separate UBC Campus article?--
24.80.25.172
00:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
If a referendum was to be held (in the UEL) to determine the status of the UEL proper, someone in Hampton place would not be allowed to vote.
The campus is not apart of the UEL, "The University Endowment Lands community (also known as University Hill) is situated adjacent to the campus to the east..."
The acronym "UEL" has simply lost meaning.
The stats you used are from the statcan website are they not, the heading of that article is University Endowment Area, not UEL
For more information please contact the UEL lands office
5495 Chancellor Blvd
Tel. 604-660-1810
The historic UEL community is on the north end near UHill elementary, however, the UEL itself is much lager than that. I've just changed the wording re UEL location (initially it said between UBC and Vancouver - this is not true - clearly the UEL neighbourood just discussed is more north of campus and west of Vancouver than between the two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.57.148 ( talk) 16:36, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
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What a huge sleight on the Musqueam community. This article gives absolutely no mention of the land claims history in UEL, nor does it include Musqueam among groups to be consulted in the event that UEL be developed or changed. Musqueam has not signed any treaty or consented to the extinguishment of its title, and to this date, maintains a title claim to its traditional territories, which include the UEL. The Province recognizes this and therefore will be engaging in treaty negotiations with Musqueam. The facts are easily accesible for those who care: the Province has been trying to shuffle sections of the UEL off to "third party" groups as a means to prevent traditional territories from being included in the treaty process -- any Crown land handed off to a third party is considered beyond the treaty process. In 2005, the Supreme court ruled against the province for surreptitiously shuffling land (the UBC Golf course) onto a third party (UBC). The same tactic was tried, with more success, 20 years ago, when the province forced Pacific Spirit Park on the GVRD. the GVRD finally accepted the transfer on condition that it "not prejudice future aboriginal claims to the land". Recenlty, UEL residents reacted with anger when they found out that the Golf Course may be transferred to Musqueam as a result of negotiations. Their anger of course stems from a total lack of understanding vis-a-vis the history. This wiki article is only one example of the manipulated history that informs UEL residents in their own politics.
I actually might not have presumed anything about the author, had I not read the section about consultations: "Development, in large part, is very limited -- for any proposed developments in the UEL by the Greater Vancouver Regional District or the University of British Columbia, the following groups must be consulted beforehand: university students, university staff, university faculty, environmental groups, businesses, residents and the general public." The writer seems to deliberately leave out that if the Province wants to develop or sell the land, it is actually legally bound to consult Musqueam -- and in fact, legally speaking, that obligation is far more serious than the obligations of the GVRD and UBC to the "university students, university staff, university faculty, environmental groups, businesses, residents and the general public". For example, I myself am a student at the university who has only been "consulted" on a small fraction of development projects in the UEL, especially on South Campus, where the University conducts no consultations whatever. There have been no legal repercussions for the university, in contrast to the court's 2005 decision to order a reversal of the Province's bad-faith sale of the Golf Course to UBC in 2003. Anyways, the person who wrote this article cites other articles that discuss Musqueam. Actually, anybody who researches the UEL for an article, especially an article as comprehensive as the one here, will come across information on Musqueam. If the author knows nothing about Musqueam, or about the Province's illegal Golf Course transfer, s/he is exceptional among those who know about the UEL. But that is secondary to another question: Why do you care more about my "unsubstantiated accusations" than about the fact that Musqueam have been made invisible in this article?
The UEL is now part of the RD system, and residents AFAIK no longer pay their property taxes direct to the provincial government as the second paragraph says; not sure what date this was effected on or would add it; see Greater Vancouver Electoral Area A, British Columbia. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
In External Links, University Endowment Lands - Official Community Plan link is not working due to the www.ceiarchitecture.com/ website being unavailable today.
I agree with the comments above in ARTICLE that there are some confusing references to what is in the UEL as opposed to UBC. RGB2 ( talk) 19:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Is UBC included within the UEL?
The article starts off by saying: "This article is about the unincorporated area west of Vancouver. For the university located within the University Endowment Lands, see University of British Columbia." (So the University of BC is located within the UEL.)
But then immediately below that in the paragraph: "...but the UEL does not include the University of British Columbia nor private housing on the University campus." (So the University in NOT in the UEL.)
Which is it?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.36.46.179 ( talk) 18:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
I take issue with this sentence from the opening paragraph. "and although geographically located within the UEL, the University of British Columbia and private housing on university land are not under the administration of the UEL".
According to the 2005 edition of the UEL official community plan, the UEL is "nestled between the City of Vancouver and the University
of British Columbia". This implies that the UEL and UBC are in fact separate entities. The original function of the UEL was to raise capital for the formation of UBC, and residential lots were later auctioned.
See Figure 1 on pg 26 of the official community plan for reference. http://www.universityendowmentlands.gov.bc.ca/library/Official_Community_Plan.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.114.135 ( talk) 06:21, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
The current University Village is not the first commercial structure built on UEL lands. There used to be a complex there. However, it was destroyed by a fire in the mid-90s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.177.65 ( talk) 05:54, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
But does anyone know the story behind why Chancellor Boulevard does not link up with itself again as it becomes fourth avenue. Was there supposed to be some connector on the Vancouver side of Blanca that did not materialize? HyperbolicSheet ( talk) 06:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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UEL and UBC are not the same place. The UEL is a small, affluent community that is adjacent to the City of Vancouver and UBC. Home owners own their property out right and pay property taxes.
Therefore, I think that a new Campus of UBC article should be created in order to make everything clear. The UBC campus is quite large and has scores of luxury apartments (on 99 year leases), many of which are owned by people unaffiliated with UBC. There is also a large mixed-use development in the south part of the campus.
We could always call this article "Campus of UBC" and have a section called "UEL". However, as I have stated, they are not the same place. The UEL is not in UBC and UBC is not in the UEL.\
If you want a source, here is one: http://maps.ubc.ca/PROD/index.php
Everything on the map (academic, recreational, residential) is considered part of UBC's campus, noticeably absent is the UEL. -- 192.40.95.20 ( talk) 06:10, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
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Hmmm... not sure about adding all the Island municipalities (and bodies of water) to the table. It's a lot cleaner, and more useful, if we keep it to neighbouring municipalities IMHO. (The centre colour is a nice touch, though!) -- Ckatz 19:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking of replacing the article's last sentence in the first paragraph with: "While not within Vancouver city limits and not controlled by the City of Vancouver, it is commonly referred to as part of Vancouver in casual conversation. For example, Canada Post uses Vancouver for UEL addresses. Additionally, the UEL is part of Zone 1 (the most inner-city zone) in TransLink’s zone fare system." to emphasize how for all practical purposes UEL is part of Vancouver. Any second opinions?
The sole purpose of this article is to cover the UEL, is it not?
1.The many references to the UBC lands make the article confusing and misleading.
2.UBC and the UEL are different entities. For example a resident of Hampton Place lives on land owned by the University (99 year lease). Whereas a resident of the UEl is not subjected to such a lease. http://www.ubc.ca/about/campus.html
3.The map covering both the UEL and UBC is also misleading. SEE http://uel.ceiarchitecture.com/uelmap.asp
-I recommend the establishment of a separate UBC lands article.
-The current article would only make sense in the event of an amalgamation between the UEl and UBC.
-In the meantime I'll head this article under UEL/UBC
!!!MASSIVE CLEAN-UP IS NEEDED!!!
Why not establish a separate UBC Campus article?--
24.80.25.172
00:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
If a referendum was to be held (in the UEL) to determine the status of the UEL proper, someone in Hampton place would not be allowed to vote.
The campus is not apart of the UEL, "The University Endowment Lands community (also known as University Hill) is situated adjacent to the campus to the east..."
The acronym "UEL" has simply lost meaning.
The stats you used are from the statcan website are they not, the heading of that article is University Endowment Area, not UEL
For more information please contact the UEL lands office
5495 Chancellor Blvd
Tel. 604-660-1810
The historic UEL community is on the north end near UHill elementary, however, the UEL itself is much lager than that. I've just changed the wording re UEL location (initially it said between UBC and Vancouver - this is not true - clearly the UEL neighbourood just discussed is more north of campus and west of Vancouver than between the two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.57.148 ( talk) 16:36, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
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What a huge sleight on the Musqueam community. This article gives absolutely no mention of the land claims history in UEL, nor does it include Musqueam among groups to be consulted in the event that UEL be developed or changed. Musqueam has not signed any treaty or consented to the extinguishment of its title, and to this date, maintains a title claim to its traditional territories, which include the UEL. The Province recognizes this and therefore will be engaging in treaty negotiations with Musqueam. The facts are easily accesible for those who care: the Province has been trying to shuffle sections of the UEL off to "third party" groups as a means to prevent traditional territories from being included in the treaty process -- any Crown land handed off to a third party is considered beyond the treaty process. In 2005, the Supreme court ruled against the province for surreptitiously shuffling land (the UBC Golf course) onto a third party (UBC). The same tactic was tried, with more success, 20 years ago, when the province forced Pacific Spirit Park on the GVRD. the GVRD finally accepted the transfer on condition that it "not prejudice future aboriginal claims to the land". Recenlty, UEL residents reacted with anger when they found out that the Golf Course may be transferred to Musqueam as a result of negotiations. Their anger of course stems from a total lack of understanding vis-a-vis the history. This wiki article is only one example of the manipulated history that informs UEL residents in their own politics.
I actually might not have presumed anything about the author, had I not read the section about consultations: "Development, in large part, is very limited -- for any proposed developments in the UEL by the Greater Vancouver Regional District or the University of British Columbia, the following groups must be consulted beforehand: university students, university staff, university faculty, environmental groups, businesses, residents and the general public." The writer seems to deliberately leave out that if the Province wants to develop or sell the land, it is actually legally bound to consult Musqueam -- and in fact, legally speaking, that obligation is far more serious than the obligations of the GVRD and UBC to the "university students, university staff, university faculty, environmental groups, businesses, residents and the general public". For example, I myself am a student at the university who has only been "consulted" on a small fraction of development projects in the UEL, especially on South Campus, where the University conducts no consultations whatever. There have been no legal repercussions for the university, in contrast to the court's 2005 decision to order a reversal of the Province's bad-faith sale of the Golf Course to UBC in 2003. Anyways, the person who wrote this article cites other articles that discuss Musqueam. Actually, anybody who researches the UEL for an article, especially an article as comprehensive as the one here, will come across information on Musqueam. If the author knows nothing about Musqueam, or about the Province's illegal Golf Course transfer, s/he is exceptional among those who know about the UEL. But that is secondary to another question: Why do you care more about my "unsubstantiated accusations" than about the fact that Musqueam have been made invisible in this article?
The UEL is now part of the RD system, and residents AFAIK no longer pay their property taxes direct to the provincial government as the second paragraph says; not sure what date this was effected on or would add it; see Greater Vancouver Electoral Area A, British Columbia. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
In External Links, University Endowment Lands - Official Community Plan link is not working due to the www.ceiarchitecture.com/ website being unavailable today.
I agree with the comments above in ARTICLE that there are some confusing references to what is in the UEL as opposed to UBC. RGB2 ( talk) 19:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Is UBC included within the UEL?
The article starts off by saying: "This article is about the unincorporated area west of Vancouver. For the university located within the University Endowment Lands, see University of British Columbia." (So the University of BC is located within the UEL.)
But then immediately below that in the paragraph: "...but the UEL does not include the University of British Columbia nor private housing on the University campus." (So the University in NOT in the UEL.)
Which is it?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.36.46.179 ( talk) 18:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
I take issue with this sentence from the opening paragraph. "and although geographically located within the UEL, the University of British Columbia and private housing on university land are not under the administration of the UEL".
According to the 2005 edition of the UEL official community plan, the UEL is "nestled between the City of Vancouver and the University
of British Columbia". This implies that the UEL and UBC are in fact separate entities. The original function of the UEL was to raise capital for the formation of UBC, and residential lots were later auctioned.
See Figure 1 on pg 26 of the official community plan for reference. http://www.universityendowmentlands.gov.bc.ca/library/Official_Community_Plan.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.114.135 ( talk) 06:21, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
The current University Village is not the first commercial structure built on UEL lands. There used to be a complex there. However, it was destroyed by a fire in the mid-90s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.177.65 ( talk) 05:54, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
But does anyone know the story behind why Chancellor Boulevard does not link up with itself again as it becomes fourth avenue. Was there supposed to be some connector on the Vancouver side of Blanca that did not materialize? HyperbolicSheet ( talk) 06:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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UEL and UBC are not the same place. The UEL is a small, affluent community that is adjacent to the City of Vancouver and UBC. Home owners own their property out right and pay property taxes.
Therefore, I think that a new Campus of UBC article should be created in order to make everything clear. The UBC campus is quite large and has scores of luxury apartments (on 99 year leases), many of which are owned by people unaffiliated with UBC. There is also a large mixed-use development in the south part of the campus.
We could always call this article "Campus of UBC" and have a section called "UEL". However, as I have stated, they are not the same place. The UEL is not in UBC and UBC is not in the UEL.\
If you want a source, here is one: http://maps.ubc.ca/PROD/index.php
Everything on the map (academic, recreational, residential) is considered part of UBC's campus, noticeably absent is the UEL. -- 192.40.95.20 ( talk) 06:10, 21 May 2018 (UTC)