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There doesn't seem to be any particular order that the worlds are placed in... If no one objects, I'm going to be doing some editting/rewording and then putting them in the rough order that Sora visits the worlds in the games. Axem Titanium 18:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed the link to the list of fan ideas for future KH worlds, forms, etc. Even though the link isn't to a Wikipedia article, Wikipedia is not for speculation (see WP:NOT), and there is no evidence any of these ideas will be used (KH3 hasn't been announced yet). -- Core des at talk. o.o;; 19:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Sould the dark relm be listed here? Or atleast be in the destiny island page because it is a world connected with destiny island. Logmon1
Because it looks and reads terrible. That last edit was by me, but the stupid computer logged me out while I was writing. Axem Titanium 19:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey, does Hollow Bastion have its own page or not? The link at the top of its section that claims to lead to the main article just brings you back to the top of the page. That seems a little pointless... Clevomon 21:07 EST, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind a move, but wouldn't it be better as "Worlds of Kingdom Hearts" or "Universe of Kingdom Hearts"? Maybe I'm just being pedantic. ' 21:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be able to hold its own as an article.-- Tempest115 00:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I may have missed a big discussion topic about this, but all the games thus far have referred to "Neverland" as "Never Land", and "Pride Land" as "Pride Lands". Now, I can understand "Neverland", since that might've been the spelling in the original book, maybe even the film. Simba's home, however, has always been known as the "Pride Lands". In either case, semantics of the book and film versions involving these places should not be carried over here, given that artistic license (what little Wikipedia cares for it, at least in regards to article and preposition capitalization) has named them differently in the subjects being covered (that is, the KH series, not the source materials). T.J. Fuller, Jr. 10:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Couldn't be a translation error? They happen all the time or maybe soembody got lazy? Kou Nurasaka 01:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, a quick question to anybody that remembers. Who are the characters in the games that used the corridors of darkness or something similar to travel between worlds. I only remember a few and knowing more would help me know what to look for in reference sources. This is minor content that will probably amount to one or two sentences, but I'm trying to find content for the "Travel" section, and maybe the "Cosmology" section too. Thanks. ( Guyinblack25 talk 17:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC))
It;s a world, you go there in both 1 and 2. Jman8088 00:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Basically, what I am thinking Kingdom Hearts is, the possible beginning of a new world, you know, creation and all that. As for the realm of darkness being inside kingdom hearts, if you think about it, it was created from all of the hearts of those gathered into one spot, and they mention every heart having a trace of darkness. Hoping that will answer your questions, Wakisazhi 00:45 GMT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.208.128 ( talk) 00:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
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I think the article looks pretty good. There are a few formatting issues (br clear is unnecessary if you are alternating image alingment) and the reception/criticism should be expanded and placed in its own section, but it's a solid effort. — Deckill er 12:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I also recommend reducing the fair use total to nine or so; the fair use users tend to prune articles with fair use images in excess of ten. — Deckill er 12:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The header has a few sentences which seem to be talking about the series itself, not the "universe of" - for example, the "The Kingdom Hearts games have met with positive receptions and sales, as well as receiving several video game awards. One such award was "Best Art Style/Direction" in IGN's 2003 list of "Best Looking Games on PS2".[1] As of December of 2006, the Kingdom Hearts series has shipped over 10 million copies worldwide, with 2.0 million copies in PAL regions, 3.0 million copies in Japan, and 5.6 million copies in North America.[2][3]"
I can understand where it's talking about the reception of the worlds themselves, but the sentences about how the series has done seem a bit off-topic.
Also, there is the traditional in-universe writing for "Heartless", "Nobody", "Keyblade", "Destiny Islands", and "Disney Castle". For example, Disney Castle's section should include stuff like how it was unplayable in the first game, but customer demand led to its inclusion in the second/third.
That's the only problems I can see, though. Is there anything I can do to help this article become FA? KrytenKoro 14:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
On the Bio for the Keyblade it states that the Keyblade is the only weapon capable of destroying nobodies/heartless. Isn't that wrong? Cloud, Squall, and maybe Yuffie, Riku (when he had the dark wing sword) all these people can kill the heartless I know for fact. I'm not sure about Nobodies but I think that was the invasion of Hallow Bastion (Radiant Garden) when Squall and company helped out. not to mention the guest party member as well as Goofy and Donald. If anyone agrees then we should cahnge it but its your calls. Kou Nurasaka 01:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I recommend combing media reviews for critical response on the worlds. Perhaps stuff like the graphics, design, style, etc. — Deckill er 03:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia in general and I'm not sure at what points I need to check with other editors, so here goes, anyway...
So, under Cosmology, it mentions the various realms in Kingdom Hearts, and more specifically, the existance of an "in-between realm" where select worlds are found. I found an interview with Tetsuya Nomura that has some information on the worlds in between. I want to include some of what I found in thsi interview and include it into that section of the article. Would that be objectionable to anyone?
One other question though. I was going to source the interview, but although the original interview is from an official source, the translation into English is not. Is it still usable as a source? How should I approach that?
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Falcon
23:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I was looking at the interview from Another Report. Or the translation of it, anyway. I'll go ahead and work on that then, later today.-- Falcon 14:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Should Mickey's dark realm keyblade and Riku's Way to Dawn be mentioned in that section at all? I think it's relevant to note that there are multiple keyblades, not just the one Sora wields. HadesDragon 03:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Should the new information from the trailers be mentioned? Perhaps not the new worlds, but at least the scenes in Olympus Colosseum and Destiny Islands? Yemboy42 00:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
FYI- I just removed the Japanese text and translations of most of the world names. The main reason was because most of the titles were originally in English. I saw no reason to keep them simply because the game was originally in Japanese, and most of the world names were katakana translations of the original English name. This basically applied to the Disney worlds, I left the Japanese text on the original worlds created by Square. This was done in the clean up of the Characters of Kingdom Hearts article also, but I think we had forgotten how it was done in this article. It's all in one edit in case it needs to be undone, but let's talk about it first beforehand. ( Guyinblack25 talk 14:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC))
Most works of fiction have universe names. Like the buffyverse, daisyverse, and the view askewniverse. Shouldn't this have one. It would make the page name easier to find and shorter. I was thinking Kingdomverse, or soraverse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mugatu3333 ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
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A realworld Keyblade was sold on eBay in November 2007 with profits donated to Child's Play. [1] [2] Should this information be added to the article or is it considered trivial? I find it interesting and maybe this could help broaden the article's scope for a potential FA nomination (eventually). FightingStreet ( talk) 22:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The article REALLY needed a cleanup, since some of it wasn't a NPOV, and some of the sentences could confuse the reader. For some reason though, the things I did to the world paragraphs doesn't show up in the History section. Oh well. Abby724 07:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC) what happend to all the other worlds not consumed by heartless and the keyholes that were not locked in the first [2nd chain of memories] and 3ird games would the heartless and nobodys have strong holds on all of them are there worlds still conected the company never answerd the questions i have just stated. by darth dread 11/2/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darth dread ( talk • contribs) 18:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
As I remember, the Awakening was considered its own world, and it is definitely one of the most memorable and important settings in the game. Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere? Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 01:38, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
the nobody section implies that anyone that becomes a heartless will have a nobody. but that's not true entirely.
anyone that has a strong heart who becomes a heartless will obtain a nobody with it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.62.214 ( talk) 03:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Since the start of your edit-train (best phrase I could think of to describe it), you've added a lot of unsourced OR. Do you have a source for any of it? I don't mean to sound rude, but some of the information you've added is blatently incorrect. (FYI: so far, everyone who has had a keyblade has started with the basic Kingdom Key. And there doesn't appear to be different keyblades, just different keychains, with the possible exception of special keyblades like the Way to the Dawn. And as each keychain represents something/someone unique, duplicates are highly unlikely.) - Tainted Conformity Chat 03:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
it does appear to be a bit of OR, and additional refs are needed. still, be careful with the word "you" it's a collaboration, your basically blaming this on everyone who has worked on the article.
you are welcomed to fix the article and remove some information or change it. Bread Ninja ( talk) 16:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The entries that follow were on Talk:Heartless from the time when it was a separate article. Apparently, when the content was merged here and the article replaced by a disambiguation page, nobody thought to merge the talk page contents as well. Not sure how useful any of this is as I'm simply moving it en masse as a cleanup effort. - Dravecky ( talk) 11:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Seriously, it's safe to assume which Heartless are pureblood and which are not. Sure, if they have no knowledge or do not know those Heartless, it's useless information, but if they do, it can be quite useful to know, even though they can make there own presumtions. I'm adding it back. Also, I'm sorry for making those mistakes about "Purebread", we all make mistakes but thats no reason to take the whole damn part off.
~ Ultimate Perfect Chaos 23:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC) ~
Extend it to cover diffrent kinds of heartless that sora and co. encounter,as well as how they are opposed to nobodies and such-GRAHAMR
i think heartless are intelligent,due to that fact that they form teams with names in the coliseum.(perhaps,however, Ansem/Malifecent/whoever knew that the keyblade bearer was going to show up,so they sent them to sign up for the tournament so that they could kill him) in the second game,they even work with nobodies in the underdrome battles.
If you must throw a fit about not having the list, at least include information on the bosses, which DEFINETELY had places in the storyline. For example, It is explicitly said that Darksides are reflection of the darkness in one (Zexion to Riku). That is important info for this entry. The journal entries are always more indepth with the bosses, telling how they relate to the story, and it is easy to see how heartless boss information would relate to this page.
Also, it is still not right that information was deleted FROM THE COMMENTS PAGE. It was up there so that people could add more info to it before deciding to place it on the article page. 74.132.225.145 15:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
IT WAS DISCUSSION FOR IMPROVING THE ARTICLE. It was just not in a finished form yet. And actually, if somebody was just casually reading the page on the game, Kingdom Hearts, maybe it wouldn't be interesting. I can say from experience that when they go to pages on story errate, such as "Heartless", or the individual character pages, then they want actual information, not just the kind of stuff they have on game previews or reviews. Here's an example of how it could be organized to be presentable and useful: organizing them by worlds, first visit (before they mix). EX: "In Beast's Castle, Heartless such as the possessed Gargoyle Knights and Warriors, along with Lance Soldiers and Hook Bats appear." Maybe throw in a picture, maybe have little sentences for what each one looks like. Gives information on what type of setting the world is, and its atmosphere (in this case, a medieval type of setting, or a gothic-ish (the architecture term, not the fad) type of thing. Seriously, information like this isn't as "fan-crufty" as people seem to think. I always like articles more and find them more useful if they have detailed information on them, especially if I've never heard of the thing before.
I agree with wikiwow about the articles on individual heartless. maybe just the shadows or the bosses -- wizard5311
I'm not sure if this is right or not. I've seen heartless do what appears to be shapeshifting (one pretended to be Belle to annoy Beast, and a group of soldiers turned into heartless before Shang's eyes) but this has never been proven should someone look into it. that way we could decid if we could add shapeshifters to the list of appropriate groups for heartless to be in.
The soldiers had just turned into Heartless, they weren't already. This is shown by the comment that they are dying (I think it was something like that). Certainly they were shown to be dying, though.
74.132.225.145
03:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I understand why this might not be appropriate on the mainpage (at least, until information was added to each entry (ex. the journal entries), but why was it deleted from the comments page? I thought that comments were not supposed to be deleted.
No, I don't understand. I was the one who began putting up the lists of Heartless (I think...maybe someone did it before me and it got deleted) on the main article. But why was it removed? Isn't it relevant to the article? I'm not trying to sound angry with my words, I just wanna know why my contributions were deleted so quickly (less than a day, I think). -- Wikiwow 19:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Why do people keep on deleting my Heartless List? -- User:Oblivion111
Can you at least make another article about the Heartless List. That would be nice. Would you please make one.
-- Tempest115 12:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
The shadows still appeared from puddles of darkness, though I do admit that emblems only seem to appear when a heart is seperated from the body (Traverse Town Soldier, LoD Nightwalkers), with no need to be produced by the machine (which, admittedly, is never said to actually be the source of Heartless, merely a factor in producing them: it could be some kind of signal or something that causes lost hearts to reform as Heartless). And Yen Sid clearly says that the Heartless exist as long as darkness exists in any heart: not that the hearts must be seperate.
This is all well and good to have an article on, but at this point, this article is about the reports, which were there to explain the plot, not the Heartless. Excluding the first paragraph. It even has a paragraph bout the Nobodies! I suggest this article be renamed to "The Ansem Reports", and include information on "The Other Ansem Reports" as well, or it be totally reformatted. As it is now, it's pretty much a failure of an article.
So far we have 1 1/2 paragraphs about Heartless, 7 about the Ansem Reports, and 1 about the Nobodies. This needs to change. 74.140.118.84 01:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
can i add something? Christopherbenoit 22:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
go ahead User:Oblivion111
I would like to add a Heartless list on another page, but have not finished the first game a do not have pics, so it will have to be expanded. Any objections? Therequiembellishere 07:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Go ahead. Kamin 978
Heartless needs a complete rewrite. There are only a few sections on the topic of the article, the rest are about the Ansem Reports. There's even a section on the Nobodies! We need to delete all the sections that have no relevance to the subject of the article and replace them with sections that provide actual information about the Heartless. There is no information on the fact that the Heartless are opposed to the Nobodies. There is no information on Pureblood Heartless.
The this needs a rewrite because its false. The heartless came from the realm of darkness
From charles:your the one who pretty much fell asleep boy. If you played the game you would realized that in the reports ansem "discovered the heartless" and if they came from the experments how come they came from kingdom hearts and their were millions of them. Read the kingdom hearts article it contrdicts your thinking or even better replay the whole game. You should use your head before you start talking about stuff that is based on opiuion
By the way when he said that"shawdows of the guys in my experments" he realized that his students turned int heartless.ou can't interpet things very correctly. Besides the heartless gave them interest to study the heart in the first place. You should know what your talking about.
How old are you five years old. Like I said your wrong agian. read other articles and see if they agrre with you for example the kingdom hearts article or the xenhnort article. They discovered the heartless while expermenting but they orginally came from kingdom hearts, moron. Have you even played the first game or seconed. you have aboslutly have no idea what your talking about. look this stuff up on the internet and see if your "facts" are corect. Heres is a quote from the xenahnort article "This resulted in Xehanort's discovery of the creatures which he named the "Heartless" which means he dicovered what happens when a person secumbs to the darkness of ones heart that doesn't mean he created them, it means he discovered them and here is a quote from the kingdom hearts article " her group is to collect seven maidens of the purest heart, the "Princesses of Heart", in order to open the pathway to Kingdom Hearts, which is the origin of all Heartless and a limitless repository of power and knowledge, equal to that contained within each individual's heart. In this sense, Kingdom Hearts is the heart of all worlds." and this one "the door to the realm of darkness threatens to unleash billions upon billions of Heartless". the heartless could have not replicated that fast to billions of pure bloods, they are not like insects as you desribed getting every where because they would never be able to get into the door way to the realm of darkness unless they came from their. USE COMMON SENSE and don't talk like a baby and try to discuss this inmaturly "oh christ" if you discuss somthing with someone, discuss like a debate not "oh christ"
Jesus calm down. I realized i was wrong in some places, the heartless in the realm of light came as a result of his experments but the orignals came from the realm of darkness right? The debate topic you clearly missed the point on, when you debate you debate calmly not try to inslut people. "your insluts are lame" You know I am just asking, how old are you
"your responsible for all the heartless" this means he is responsible for all of the heartless in the realm of light. OK so please stop acting like a little kid and talk like normal human beings
i had enough talking to a little kid like you and fighting over a game. If you like to fight over video games their is obvoiusly somthing wrong with you. I gave you evidince and because you play to much video games you don't want to discuss this in a cilivized way. If you keep making personal attacks i will report you. I am not making anthing up, the realm of light is part of the game lore.
Can we please stop fighting over this stupid thing. You don't have to turn this into a personal fight
Read other articles about kingdom hearts ok and see if your correct. You failed to even check them because your afraid of being wrong
You hypocrite, first you said that the Heartless only came by Ansems experments and now your telling me to they didn't "You have failed to prove that the Heartless were only introduced in the realm of light by Xehanort's experiments" Why would you want me to prove somthing that you already believe and your calling me the hypocrite. What did I say thats hypcritcy anyway. By the way the saying is called "pot calling the kettle black"
Being a hypocrite means to claim or talk about somthing you don't really know or possess and/or to contrdict yourself. I am sorry for saying that stuff to you, your right and I am wrong. Sorry for getting off at a very bad start.
What kind of Heartless do people turn into? I always assumed people became pure heartless (like shadows) Kingdom Hearts II contradicts this very often. I mean first of all Ansem, Seeker of Darkness has the symbol, but he could have put it there himself. Most of the contradictions come from the Land of Dragons where the two soldiers become emblem heartless and the dragon boss you fight was a dragon-turned-heartless which also has an emblem. Aren't the emblem heartless supposed to be artificially created or are we to assume that after being created they are able to multiply themselves and turn other creatures into emblem instead of pure heartless? Problem is saying this would be speculation. Is there any explanation for this supposed plot hole? Mavrickindigo 13:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not discriminate on basis of popularity, or other things that lead to unencyclopedic articles. This article is very much pointless, it's far too short to actually be worth much merit, and unless it beefs up, I think it'll become a candidate for deletion. The article's contents could simply be placed in an already existing page, such as Kingdom Hearts (series), being listed as a recurring enemy. Which is what leads me to say this: Since the article itself is very much pointless, and since it's allowed, I believe an enemy list for the article would be apropriate, not so much as to note variations of the same kind of heartless (AKA You could list "spellcasting heartless" instead of things like "blue ballade"). This would quite certainly improve it, especially since half the people that go to this article are probably looking for pictures of enemies... - 63.229.188.33 05:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)(chao9999 on his mom's computer)
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There doesn't seem to be any particular order that the worlds are placed in... If no one objects, I'm going to be doing some editting/rewording and then putting them in the rough order that Sora visits the worlds in the games. Axem Titanium 18:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed the link to the list of fan ideas for future KH worlds, forms, etc. Even though the link isn't to a Wikipedia article, Wikipedia is not for speculation (see WP:NOT), and there is no evidence any of these ideas will be used (KH3 hasn't been announced yet). -- Core des at talk. o.o;; 19:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Sould the dark relm be listed here? Or atleast be in the destiny island page because it is a world connected with destiny island. Logmon1
Because it looks and reads terrible. That last edit was by me, but the stupid computer logged me out while I was writing. Axem Titanium 19:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey, does Hollow Bastion have its own page or not? The link at the top of its section that claims to lead to the main article just brings you back to the top of the page. That seems a little pointless... Clevomon 21:07 EST, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind a move, but wouldn't it be better as "Worlds of Kingdom Hearts" or "Universe of Kingdom Hearts"? Maybe I'm just being pedantic. ' 21:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be able to hold its own as an article.-- Tempest115 00:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I may have missed a big discussion topic about this, but all the games thus far have referred to "Neverland" as "Never Land", and "Pride Land" as "Pride Lands". Now, I can understand "Neverland", since that might've been the spelling in the original book, maybe even the film. Simba's home, however, has always been known as the "Pride Lands". In either case, semantics of the book and film versions involving these places should not be carried over here, given that artistic license (what little Wikipedia cares for it, at least in regards to article and preposition capitalization) has named them differently in the subjects being covered (that is, the KH series, not the source materials). T.J. Fuller, Jr. 10:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Couldn't be a translation error? They happen all the time or maybe soembody got lazy? Kou Nurasaka 01:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, a quick question to anybody that remembers. Who are the characters in the games that used the corridors of darkness or something similar to travel between worlds. I only remember a few and knowing more would help me know what to look for in reference sources. This is minor content that will probably amount to one or two sentences, but I'm trying to find content for the "Travel" section, and maybe the "Cosmology" section too. Thanks. ( Guyinblack25 talk 17:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC))
It;s a world, you go there in both 1 and 2. Jman8088 00:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Basically, what I am thinking Kingdom Hearts is, the possible beginning of a new world, you know, creation and all that. As for the realm of darkness being inside kingdom hearts, if you think about it, it was created from all of the hearts of those gathered into one spot, and they mention every heart having a trace of darkness. Hoping that will answer your questions, Wakisazhi 00:45 GMT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.208.128 ( talk) 00:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
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I think the article looks pretty good. There are a few formatting issues (br clear is unnecessary if you are alternating image alingment) and the reception/criticism should be expanded and placed in its own section, but it's a solid effort. — Deckill er 12:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I also recommend reducing the fair use total to nine or so; the fair use users tend to prune articles with fair use images in excess of ten. — Deckill er 12:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The header has a few sentences which seem to be talking about the series itself, not the "universe of" - for example, the "The Kingdom Hearts games have met with positive receptions and sales, as well as receiving several video game awards. One such award was "Best Art Style/Direction" in IGN's 2003 list of "Best Looking Games on PS2".[1] As of December of 2006, the Kingdom Hearts series has shipped over 10 million copies worldwide, with 2.0 million copies in PAL regions, 3.0 million copies in Japan, and 5.6 million copies in North America.[2][3]"
I can understand where it's talking about the reception of the worlds themselves, but the sentences about how the series has done seem a bit off-topic.
Also, there is the traditional in-universe writing for "Heartless", "Nobody", "Keyblade", "Destiny Islands", and "Disney Castle". For example, Disney Castle's section should include stuff like how it was unplayable in the first game, but customer demand led to its inclusion in the second/third.
That's the only problems I can see, though. Is there anything I can do to help this article become FA? KrytenKoro 14:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
On the Bio for the Keyblade it states that the Keyblade is the only weapon capable of destroying nobodies/heartless. Isn't that wrong? Cloud, Squall, and maybe Yuffie, Riku (when he had the dark wing sword) all these people can kill the heartless I know for fact. I'm not sure about Nobodies but I think that was the invasion of Hallow Bastion (Radiant Garden) when Squall and company helped out. not to mention the guest party member as well as Goofy and Donald. If anyone agrees then we should cahnge it but its your calls. Kou Nurasaka 01:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I recommend combing media reviews for critical response on the worlds. Perhaps stuff like the graphics, design, style, etc. — Deckill er 03:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia in general and I'm not sure at what points I need to check with other editors, so here goes, anyway...
So, under Cosmology, it mentions the various realms in Kingdom Hearts, and more specifically, the existance of an "in-between realm" where select worlds are found. I found an interview with Tetsuya Nomura that has some information on the worlds in between. I want to include some of what I found in thsi interview and include it into that section of the article. Would that be objectionable to anyone?
One other question though. I was going to source the interview, but although the original interview is from an official source, the translation into English is not. Is it still usable as a source? How should I approach that?
--
Falcon
23:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I was looking at the interview from Another Report. Or the translation of it, anyway. I'll go ahead and work on that then, later today.-- Falcon 14:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Should Mickey's dark realm keyblade and Riku's Way to Dawn be mentioned in that section at all? I think it's relevant to note that there are multiple keyblades, not just the one Sora wields. HadesDragon 03:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Should the new information from the trailers be mentioned? Perhaps not the new worlds, but at least the scenes in Olympus Colosseum and Destiny Islands? Yemboy42 00:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
FYI- I just removed the Japanese text and translations of most of the world names. The main reason was because most of the titles were originally in English. I saw no reason to keep them simply because the game was originally in Japanese, and most of the world names were katakana translations of the original English name. This basically applied to the Disney worlds, I left the Japanese text on the original worlds created by Square. This was done in the clean up of the Characters of Kingdom Hearts article also, but I think we had forgotten how it was done in this article. It's all in one edit in case it needs to be undone, but let's talk about it first beforehand. ( Guyinblack25 talk 14:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC))
Most works of fiction have universe names. Like the buffyverse, daisyverse, and the view askewniverse. Shouldn't this have one. It would make the page name easier to find and shorter. I was thinking Kingdomverse, or soraverse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mugatu3333 ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
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A realworld Keyblade was sold on eBay in November 2007 with profits donated to Child's Play. [1] [2] Should this information be added to the article or is it considered trivial? I find it interesting and maybe this could help broaden the article's scope for a potential FA nomination (eventually). FightingStreet ( talk) 22:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The article REALLY needed a cleanup, since some of it wasn't a NPOV, and some of the sentences could confuse the reader. For some reason though, the things I did to the world paragraphs doesn't show up in the History section. Oh well. Abby724 07:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC) what happend to all the other worlds not consumed by heartless and the keyholes that were not locked in the first [2nd chain of memories] and 3ird games would the heartless and nobodys have strong holds on all of them are there worlds still conected the company never answerd the questions i have just stated. by darth dread 11/2/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darth dread ( talk • contribs) 18:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
As I remember, the Awakening was considered its own world, and it is definitely one of the most memorable and important settings in the game. Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere? Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 01:38, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
the nobody section implies that anyone that becomes a heartless will have a nobody. but that's not true entirely.
anyone that has a strong heart who becomes a heartless will obtain a nobody with it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.62.214 ( talk) 03:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Since the start of your edit-train (best phrase I could think of to describe it), you've added a lot of unsourced OR. Do you have a source for any of it? I don't mean to sound rude, but some of the information you've added is blatently incorrect. (FYI: so far, everyone who has had a keyblade has started with the basic Kingdom Key. And there doesn't appear to be different keyblades, just different keychains, with the possible exception of special keyblades like the Way to the Dawn. And as each keychain represents something/someone unique, duplicates are highly unlikely.) - Tainted Conformity Chat 03:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
it does appear to be a bit of OR, and additional refs are needed. still, be careful with the word "you" it's a collaboration, your basically blaming this on everyone who has worked on the article.
you are welcomed to fix the article and remove some information or change it. Bread Ninja ( talk) 16:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The entries that follow were on Talk:Heartless from the time when it was a separate article. Apparently, when the content was merged here and the article replaced by a disambiguation page, nobody thought to merge the talk page contents as well. Not sure how useful any of this is as I'm simply moving it en masse as a cleanup effort. - Dravecky ( talk) 11:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Seriously, it's safe to assume which Heartless are pureblood and which are not. Sure, if they have no knowledge or do not know those Heartless, it's useless information, but if they do, it can be quite useful to know, even though they can make there own presumtions. I'm adding it back. Also, I'm sorry for making those mistakes about "Purebread", we all make mistakes but thats no reason to take the whole damn part off.
~ Ultimate Perfect Chaos 23:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC) ~
Extend it to cover diffrent kinds of heartless that sora and co. encounter,as well as how they are opposed to nobodies and such-GRAHAMR
i think heartless are intelligent,due to that fact that they form teams with names in the coliseum.(perhaps,however, Ansem/Malifecent/whoever knew that the keyblade bearer was going to show up,so they sent them to sign up for the tournament so that they could kill him) in the second game,they even work with nobodies in the underdrome battles.
If you must throw a fit about not having the list, at least include information on the bosses, which DEFINETELY had places in the storyline. For example, It is explicitly said that Darksides are reflection of the darkness in one (Zexion to Riku). That is important info for this entry. The journal entries are always more indepth with the bosses, telling how they relate to the story, and it is easy to see how heartless boss information would relate to this page.
Also, it is still not right that information was deleted FROM THE COMMENTS PAGE. It was up there so that people could add more info to it before deciding to place it on the article page. 74.132.225.145 15:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
IT WAS DISCUSSION FOR IMPROVING THE ARTICLE. It was just not in a finished form yet. And actually, if somebody was just casually reading the page on the game, Kingdom Hearts, maybe it wouldn't be interesting. I can say from experience that when they go to pages on story errate, such as "Heartless", or the individual character pages, then they want actual information, not just the kind of stuff they have on game previews or reviews. Here's an example of how it could be organized to be presentable and useful: organizing them by worlds, first visit (before they mix). EX: "In Beast's Castle, Heartless such as the possessed Gargoyle Knights and Warriors, along with Lance Soldiers and Hook Bats appear." Maybe throw in a picture, maybe have little sentences for what each one looks like. Gives information on what type of setting the world is, and its atmosphere (in this case, a medieval type of setting, or a gothic-ish (the architecture term, not the fad) type of thing. Seriously, information like this isn't as "fan-crufty" as people seem to think. I always like articles more and find them more useful if they have detailed information on them, especially if I've never heard of the thing before.
I agree with wikiwow about the articles on individual heartless. maybe just the shadows or the bosses -- wizard5311
I'm not sure if this is right or not. I've seen heartless do what appears to be shapeshifting (one pretended to be Belle to annoy Beast, and a group of soldiers turned into heartless before Shang's eyes) but this has never been proven should someone look into it. that way we could decid if we could add shapeshifters to the list of appropriate groups for heartless to be in.
The soldiers had just turned into Heartless, they weren't already. This is shown by the comment that they are dying (I think it was something like that). Certainly they were shown to be dying, though.
74.132.225.145
03:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I understand why this might not be appropriate on the mainpage (at least, until information was added to each entry (ex. the journal entries), but why was it deleted from the comments page? I thought that comments were not supposed to be deleted.
No, I don't understand. I was the one who began putting up the lists of Heartless (I think...maybe someone did it before me and it got deleted) on the main article. But why was it removed? Isn't it relevant to the article? I'm not trying to sound angry with my words, I just wanna know why my contributions were deleted so quickly (less than a day, I think). -- Wikiwow 19:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Why do people keep on deleting my Heartless List? -- User:Oblivion111
Can you at least make another article about the Heartless List. That would be nice. Would you please make one.
-- Tempest115 12:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
The shadows still appeared from puddles of darkness, though I do admit that emblems only seem to appear when a heart is seperated from the body (Traverse Town Soldier, LoD Nightwalkers), with no need to be produced by the machine (which, admittedly, is never said to actually be the source of Heartless, merely a factor in producing them: it could be some kind of signal or something that causes lost hearts to reform as Heartless). And Yen Sid clearly says that the Heartless exist as long as darkness exists in any heart: not that the hearts must be seperate.
This is all well and good to have an article on, but at this point, this article is about the reports, which were there to explain the plot, not the Heartless. Excluding the first paragraph. It even has a paragraph bout the Nobodies! I suggest this article be renamed to "The Ansem Reports", and include information on "The Other Ansem Reports" as well, or it be totally reformatted. As it is now, it's pretty much a failure of an article.
So far we have 1 1/2 paragraphs about Heartless, 7 about the Ansem Reports, and 1 about the Nobodies. This needs to change. 74.140.118.84 01:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
can i add something? Christopherbenoit 22:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
go ahead User:Oblivion111
I would like to add a Heartless list on another page, but have not finished the first game a do not have pics, so it will have to be expanded. Any objections? Therequiembellishere 07:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Go ahead. Kamin 978
Heartless needs a complete rewrite. There are only a few sections on the topic of the article, the rest are about the Ansem Reports. There's even a section on the Nobodies! We need to delete all the sections that have no relevance to the subject of the article and replace them with sections that provide actual information about the Heartless. There is no information on the fact that the Heartless are opposed to the Nobodies. There is no information on Pureblood Heartless.
The this needs a rewrite because its false. The heartless came from the realm of darkness
From charles:your the one who pretty much fell asleep boy. If you played the game you would realized that in the reports ansem "discovered the heartless" and if they came from the experments how come they came from kingdom hearts and their were millions of them. Read the kingdom hearts article it contrdicts your thinking or even better replay the whole game. You should use your head before you start talking about stuff that is based on opiuion
By the way when he said that"shawdows of the guys in my experments" he realized that his students turned int heartless.ou can't interpet things very correctly. Besides the heartless gave them interest to study the heart in the first place. You should know what your talking about.
How old are you five years old. Like I said your wrong agian. read other articles and see if they agrre with you for example the kingdom hearts article or the xenhnort article. They discovered the heartless while expermenting but they orginally came from kingdom hearts, moron. Have you even played the first game or seconed. you have aboslutly have no idea what your talking about. look this stuff up on the internet and see if your "facts" are corect. Heres is a quote from the xenahnort article "This resulted in Xehanort's discovery of the creatures which he named the "Heartless" which means he dicovered what happens when a person secumbs to the darkness of ones heart that doesn't mean he created them, it means he discovered them and here is a quote from the kingdom hearts article " her group is to collect seven maidens of the purest heart, the "Princesses of Heart", in order to open the pathway to Kingdom Hearts, which is the origin of all Heartless and a limitless repository of power and knowledge, equal to that contained within each individual's heart. In this sense, Kingdom Hearts is the heart of all worlds." and this one "the door to the realm of darkness threatens to unleash billions upon billions of Heartless". the heartless could have not replicated that fast to billions of pure bloods, they are not like insects as you desribed getting every where because they would never be able to get into the door way to the realm of darkness unless they came from their. USE COMMON SENSE and don't talk like a baby and try to discuss this inmaturly "oh christ" if you discuss somthing with someone, discuss like a debate not "oh christ"
Jesus calm down. I realized i was wrong in some places, the heartless in the realm of light came as a result of his experments but the orignals came from the realm of darkness right? The debate topic you clearly missed the point on, when you debate you debate calmly not try to inslut people. "your insluts are lame" You know I am just asking, how old are you
"your responsible for all the heartless" this means he is responsible for all of the heartless in the realm of light. OK so please stop acting like a little kid and talk like normal human beings
i had enough talking to a little kid like you and fighting over a game. If you like to fight over video games their is obvoiusly somthing wrong with you. I gave you evidince and because you play to much video games you don't want to discuss this in a cilivized way. If you keep making personal attacks i will report you. I am not making anthing up, the realm of light is part of the game lore.
Can we please stop fighting over this stupid thing. You don't have to turn this into a personal fight
Read other articles about kingdom hearts ok and see if your correct. You failed to even check them because your afraid of being wrong
You hypocrite, first you said that the Heartless only came by Ansems experments and now your telling me to they didn't "You have failed to prove that the Heartless were only introduced in the realm of light by Xehanort's experiments" Why would you want me to prove somthing that you already believe and your calling me the hypocrite. What did I say thats hypcritcy anyway. By the way the saying is called "pot calling the kettle black"
Being a hypocrite means to claim or talk about somthing you don't really know or possess and/or to contrdict yourself. I am sorry for saying that stuff to you, your right and I am wrong. Sorry for getting off at a very bad start.
What kind of Heartless do people turn into? I always assumed people became pure heartless (like shadows) Kingdom Hearts II contradicts this very often. I mean first of all Ansem, Seeker of Darkness has the symbol, but he could have put it there himself. Most of the contradictions come from the Land of Dragons where the two soldiers become emblem heartless and the dragon boss you fight was a dragon-turned-heartless which also has an emblem. Aren't the emblem heartless supposed to be artificially created or are we to assume that after being created they are able to multiply themselves and turn other creatures into emblem instead of pure heartless? Problem is saying this would be speculation. Is there any explanation for this supposed plot hole? Mavrickindigo 13:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not discriminate on basis of popularity, or other things that lead to unencyclopedic articles. This article is very much pointless, it's far too short to actually be worth much merit, and unless it beefs up, I think it'll become a candidate for deletion. The article's contents could simply be placed in an already existing page, such as Kingdom Hearts (series), being listed as a recurring enemy. Which is what leads me to say this: Since the article itself is very much pointless, and since it's allowed, I believe an enemy list for the article would be apropriate, not so much as to note variations of the same kind of heartless (AKA You could list "spellcasting heartless" instead of things like "blue ballade"). This would quite certainly improve it, especially since half the people that go to this article are probably looking for pictures of enemies... - 63.229.188.33 05:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)(chao9999 on his mom's computer)
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