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Just a quick note: I removed "by president" from this article because we don't have equivalent lists by other criteria, and by president is the obvious (IMO) way to order things. The only other ordering that springs to mind is by type. Of course, we could have both orderings on the same page. Martin 00:02, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
We could, I'm not sure whether it's worth while. We could list Presidents by the types of pets they owned too I guess... 209.102.126.142 04:10, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
At the moment "by president" seems to be in chronological order for the first several and then random (?) order after that. So I'll go with chronological (reverse) order, since I suspect that's how most folks think about the U.S. Prez's anyway.
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"Andrew Johnson - Fed white mice he found in his bedroom" -- is that right? should that be removed 17, Jan 2005
According to Wackiest White House Pets by Gibbs Davis, Scholastic Press, 2004, this is true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.179.143 ( talk) 17:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Also owned a Badger Taxidea named Josiah. The Badger is included in letters of diplomats from Japan and other countries. I would like to add this item.
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I agree it is a quibble but for the earlier presidents horses and the like were transportaion and work animals not Pets. Royal Gift was evidently used for breeding mules [2]. Geo8rge ( talk) 15:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Irish Cocker Spaniel? There is no such thing, and there never has been. There are two types of cocker spaniels, English and American. Presumably not always considered separate breeds, but they are now. Did Kennedy have an English or American Cocker Spaniel that happened to have been born in Ireland? It would explain the name Shannon. But it is incorrect to use the term "Irish Cocker Spaniel" as a breed. 83.71.42.158 ( talk) 05:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
It's going to need to be added soon, so I'm wondering if there's any information about this already. 89.242.173.248 ( talk) 01:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
This page needs some pretty serious cleanup. I am going to do what I can and then add a tag, I feel that it is not finished. Mynameisnotpj ( talk) 11:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I highlight User:Uncle Milty who seems to be protecting this page from being tagged. It has multiple issues and does not have enough citations. Yet he reverts my edits constantly [3] [4] [5] and has threatened to block me to shut me up. I didn't think Wikipedia condoned censorship. How wrong I was. -- 86.45.204.34 ( talk) 00:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
He has broken 3RR and his etiquette could also do with some addressing. -- 86.45.204.34 ( talk) 00:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Except for a few of the pets, none of the others are notable. Even those which are famous (say Checkers), they are only "notable" in reference to the biographies of their owners. There are probably some squirrels living around WhiteHouse, will they be notable as well? Also, there are thousands of people working as WH staff, will that automatically make them notable? Or a first daughters kindergarten teacher?
A comment for User:Lulu of lotus eaters, regarding this edit with the summary "Notability tag added by now-deleted vandal editor ", before calling someone else (in this case, I, who added the tag earlier), please make sure that they are A) "now deleted", B) "vandal". Otherwise this appears to be a personal attack. Thanks. -- Ragib ( talk) 22:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Note: I have changed the Notability tag to an AfD. The appropriate place to resolve the issue of the notability of this topic is over there, where editors who are not otherwise likely to stumble on this talk page are able to opine on its notability. LotLE× talk 00:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I've restored the photo on the article of Susan Ford and her cat. If people think the lead should be expanded, then go ahead and expand it. However, the lack of an extensive lead is no reason to remove a relevant photo of a presidential pet. SMSpivey ( talk) 19:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
To be exact, Checker's was not a pet belonging to a President, rather Checkers was owned by Nixon only during his vice presidency (1952-1960). So, while the speech about him is an interesting footnote of Nixon's vice-presidency, it is incorrect to list him as a "Presidential pet". Right now, the article for Checkers show it died in 1964. Since Nixon only got elected to presidency in 1968, I am removing Checkers from this list. -- Ragib ( talk) 01:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Should Checkers rightfully be claimed a "presidential pet"? After all, Checkers died long before Nixon was elected. ↜Just me, here, now … 13:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Merge articles about US presidential pets into one article. Mrboire ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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I do not dispute the "amount" of knowledge or coverage of US Presidential Pets, but do they warrant full articles? I do not think so. The fact that the Obamas have pet is News worthy, but the notability of such is suspect, in 4 or 8 years will it really matter? -- Never give up! Never surrender! ( talk) 23:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Comment: I'm not sure if I can support a simple merge and redirect for some of these pets, but they shouldn't necessarily be kept. Yes, they all have enough references to warrant their own article, but does that mean they need their own article? I think this list could easily be expanded and sourced and with some work could make it to WP:FLC, though simple merges will not help this article. Also, this might not always be the best place for all the pets. For example, Bo (dog) may be better at Barack Obama's family. Right now I'm uncharacteristically leaning oppose merge because this list would be in even worse condition if that were to happen. Also, this is more a list of pets rather than in-depth descriptions of them, though that could change with sufficient sourcing, etc. Perhaps an alternative for now is, say, Pets of George W. Bush. Reywas92 Talk 01:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Oppose per Cybercobra and Caspian. Kuralyov ( talk) 19:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Support So long as they are well integrated. YeshuaDavid ( talk) 17:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Support, strongly Combining these together would create a unified article demonstrating the purposes of pets and giving insight into popular culture. Combined, this article could have enough insight and information to become Featured Article. None of the articles by themselves will ever be relevant enough to achieve such quality —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kpstewart ( talk • contribs) 02:18, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
It appears there is support for a merge on the subject - but just to test the water, is there any opposition at all to a merge for the India (cat) article? 99.141.240.227 ( talk) 21:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Grits_(dog) Most of these listings have significantly less value or purpose than the famous Pokemon controversy. It seems the only standard for notability is that a White House resident touched it. Or in the case of Grits_(dog), may or may not have even touched it. Socks was notable, even Bo has a currently strong claim - but beyond that I see no greater standard than a newspaper recorded their existence at some point. Hardly encyclopedic. And what of Ofelia the Longhorn? . 99.141.240.152 ( talk) 14:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
This article is really not very long, a few small paragraphs about the presidential pets, than it becomes a list. I do not see how merging all the small articles into one comprehensive article is a bad thing? Have we become unable to read more than a readers digest version of everything? The size of an article should not be the deciding factor in this type of decision, but how the subject at hand is better presented and better serving to the reader. Right now this article is not up to snuff, and except for Bo (dog), which is only so big right now because of it's "celibrity" status, by being in the media so much, the other articles are not very large. How much influence on politics do each of these pets individualy have? How much influence on american culture does each pet individually really have in a larger sense? Except for a short term interest in the type of dog/cat/gerbil/horse, which brings some temporary increase in "adoptions" (really sales) of the specific breed of animal. There have not been many pets of presidential families that have brought great cultural changes or political changes other than media hysteria and diversions from important issues. If you look at the article about Millie, it states that it is the most famous presidential dog! And that article is smaller than most others!-- That's Life, "Stuff" happens, people die, life goes on. ( talk) 17:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Arbitrary break 1.
Since this discussion seems to be going around in circles, here's a concrete proposal (going mostly on non-fluff length of article):
Comments? Let the debate continue! -- Cybercobra ( talk) 17:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Like I said in the last comment before the arbitrary break, None of these articles are really that long, and one concise article about the whole concept could include most everything important that each individual article contains. The current article is not long either, a few small paragraphs.-- That's Life, "Stuff" happens, people die, life goes on. ( talk) 19:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, we've now merged what everyone seems to agree were some of the worst offenders. Any objections to calling this closed and killing the rest of the merge templates? -- Cybercobra ( talk) 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
The list of united states presidential pets section is unwanted things.Why to put presendential pets on wikipeadia.the president rules a country but pet so, it he is great person. But has nothing so it is unwanted thing.
If we put the list, as it should, out on it's own and make this into an article about the presidential pets it would make more sense.-- That's Life, "Stuff" happens, people die, life goes on. ( talk) 01:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I think presidential pets section of wikipeadia is unwanted things. Presidential rules a country not a pet. If like this happen from tomarrow the section of presidential bathroom wil come to wikipeadia. so, it should be removed from the wikipeadia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.148.103.254 ( talk) 01:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Namely Hoover's 2 Alligators, Coolidge's black bear, and Roosevelt's one-legged rooster. I think these need a citation. 68.82.179.158 ( talk) 00:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Several Presidents have been given animals, particularly horses, as diplomatic gifts. (Reagan and Grant pop immediately to mind. Grant in particular was given two horses by the Sultan of Turkey that became of some significance in American horse breeding). Would any of these be appropriate to add, at least if it can be documented that they kept the animals? Montanabw (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to note that the list of presidential pets for Lincoln has omitted his cat named Tabby. There is a well known photo of Lincoln holding his cat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whiteblouse ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Am I to believe that John Adams owned a TYRANNOSAURUS REX named Bob? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.66.56.172 ( talk) 09:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I would like to flip the table it so that Washington appears first, and Obama last. This is very much the universal convention at WP. Plus, we all know about Bo. I think it would be nicer for visitors to lay eyes on Washington first, then make their way down the list. It's more interesting that way. Objections? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 12:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Done Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 04:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
James Monroe was president from 1817–1825. Siberian Huskies first entered the west in Alaska in 1908 during the gold rush. Anybody see the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.200.246 ( talk) 07:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
"Obama also has a 36 gallon fish tank in the oval office full of various tropical fish" - is there a source for this? Can't find one anywhere. Sounds like a complete fabrication. Crazy Eddy ( talk) 12:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Some of the recent additions are likely pets once ever owned by a President. Please read the very first line of the article (emphasis mine):
Regretfully, I am unable to devote the time necessary to do this, but the list needs verification and clean-up. ~E: 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 09:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
If Martin Van Buren's tiger cubs weren't owned during his presidency, they should be removed...which would make him the only president without any pets in office. (If there's an article that says when he owned them, link to it here and say where it says when he owned them). I already added several hidden notes, including one about the cubs. I also added one about Andy Johnson's 'white mice'-does that mean literally white mice of a nonspecific species, or white-footed mice (currently linked)? It could also mean some other species. Some points:
A Treasury of Great American Scandals (Penguin Books, 2003) ( https://books.google.ca/books?id=RBhvMg7gTAwC&pg=PT101&dq=andrew+johnson+mice&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCQQuwUwAWoVChMI5oetsdymyAIVRhUeCh2zRgRR#v=onepage&q=andrew%20johnson%20mice&f=false) says he left out flour for the mice that infested his bedroom. Would there be multiple species of mice in one bedroom? (Also, did the flour attract anything else)? If so, the assertion of 'pet mice' is correct, but I wonder where 'white mice' came from (I doubt that all the mice were white). Hop on Bananas ( talk) 16:38, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Best Little Stories from the White House (Sourcebooks, 2012) ( https://books.google.ca/books?id=KZPfAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT108&dq=andrew+johnson+mice&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCoQuwUwAmoVChMI5oetsdymyAIVRhUeCh2zRgRR#v=onepage&q=andrew%20johnson%20mice&f=false) agrees-it says just 'mice'. Hop on Bananas ( talk) 16:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Also, someone mentioned earlier on this talk page that horses shouldn't be included since they weren't 'pets' but used as draft animals. (Were all horses used as draft animals? If Jimmy Polk's horse was, it should be removed as it was his only pet). Also see the section above about pets not owned while their owner was in office. Unfortunately, besides Van's 'briefly owned' tigers (see above), it doesn't say in the article when the pets were owned and a few/the most famous pets have their own pages (we could check their owner's pages or some related pages). I'm watching this page, so I'll know if anyone makes any major (or minor) changes. Hop on Bananas ( talk) 17:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Edit:the post about horses/donkeys not being pets, it refers to 'the earlier presidents'. I'm not sure what the limits for that are-it would probably include John Adams's horse (Cleopatra) and maybe Polk's horse but not Ronald Reagan's horses (he kept them at Rancho del Cielo anyway-did he use them)? (Sorry for the quintuple post). Hop on Bananas ( talk) 17:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to see the recently-added stars (*) in the table replaced with proper footnotes, per WP:REFGROUP. A separate refgroup could be used, with the notes listed either before the table (as they are now) or after it.
Another issue is that I'm not sure these notes really add value to the article. Unknown to who? If we don't know the exact number or species, shouldn't we just leave it out? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 17:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, we could just leave them out and assume the reader will assume that (for example)
*(name) - Dog
means the breed is unknown. 'Unknown to whom'? I'd assume it means we don't have enough evidence, so basically no one knows.
Also, if we should add a footnote list for the asterisks, I'd like to know how to make one (I don't currently know how). Hop on Bananas ( talk) 03:18, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
So I tried to replace the asterisks with a note list, but I only got to Thomas Jefferson before I realised "Okay, this is too much of a doozy to do all at once, I should sandbox it". I tried to copy the source from the edit page, but it's hard to copy from the source on an iPad (copying in general seems to be wonky). Can someone with a different device copy it into a sandbox for me? (Is creating a sandbox for someone else, even if it's because of technical problems, allowed)? Hop on Bananas ( talk) 15:39, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I changed the first three entries (George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson) from asterisks to notes in the sandbox. I'll post updates here. (Will I be the only one doing this? For anyone who wants to help, please follow the format I started). Hop on Bananas ( talk) 19:18, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I finished James Madison through Millard Fillmore. It sure is a doozy, especially for pets with multiple notes. Hop on Bananas ( talk) 22:25, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I finished Franklin Pierce through Andrew Johnson. For anyone who wants to help, here's the format:
<ref group="Pet's Statuses"Name/breed/species/number (if there are multiple pets in the same entry, pluralise the first word) unknown</ref>
- Hop on Bananas ( talk) 01:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
I finished Ulysses S. Grant, but it got so tiring adding the markup that I stopped after one president (the more pets the president has, the worse it is). Is there a way to get this done quicker? Also, why am I the only one posting in this thread since I started the updates? Hop on Bananas ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:27, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm confused as to why you're doing it this way. There should just be four possible footnotes:
Then your table looks like this:
And your notes section looks like this:
I didn't mean to make this so hard. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 22:44, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, could I at least get some help converting both my current format and the unchanged stars to your format? I don't think it will be much less of a doozy... Hop on Bananas ( talk) 22:33, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Also, I worked with what I had had WP:REFGROUP since it was linked in the OP. I think I'll go change the first entry in the sandbox soon Hop on Bananas ( talk) 20:08, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I changed the first 2. How's it look? Also, I made a small change to the example list here. Hop on Bananas ( talk) 20:17, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
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The article opens by saying that Presidents had pets, quote, "while serving their term(s) in office". Therefore, one would assume the article only includes pets that lived during a given President's administration. If true, Checkers Nixon (at least) doesn't belong here, as he died several years before Nixon took office. (He was, of course, alive when Nixon was Vice-President.) I suggest the entire list be edited to include only "Presidential" pets, or the title and introductory statement be altered. Elsquared ( talk) 08:29, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
The source I just added for Vulcan says he was a "French hound", not an "American Staghound". Kendall-K1 ( talk) 18:29, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Does every instance of dog, cat, horse, etc. need to be linked? See: WP:Overlink — 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:113C:DDBF:EBB8:1EDA ( talk) 19:52, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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I was tempted to add the {{ expand lead}} tag, but am generally averse to adding tags. As a sort of a beginning draft, I suggest something like:
Ever since the first president, George Washington, dogs have been common companions for presidents and first families. The first documented presidential cat belonged to Abraham Lincoln, and they have been common White House pets ever since. Other common pets include a variety of birds and rodents. An unusual number of strange or exotic animals have sometimes resided at the White House or its environs, from alligators to a wombat.
It should go on to mention farm or working animals treated as pets, since there are a number of horses, cows, goats, etc. Also, there are quite a few "gifts" from foreign royalty or heads of state that could be mentioned. -- Comments or suggestions? — 107.15.152.93 ( talk) 05:55, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Lihaas: We discussed the issue of dogs that were not pets during the time their owners were in the White House; see Talk:United States presidential pets/Archive 1#suggest clarification/revision. At that time the consensus was to include pets like Checkers who had played a part in the campaign. Which pets in particular do you think should be removed? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 03:53, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
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Consensus needed for a couple of changes I recommend: Changing explanatory footnotes from ref group 'nb' to {{ efn}} format. & Change ref group name 'ps' to 'key', and adding Key below table where these refs go. Comments? Suggestions? — 107.15.157.44 ( talk) 23:22, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
When was the last time, if ever, that the US has had a petless president?-- Pharos ( talk) 21:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Someone has added Marlon Bundo to Trump's list, but I'm not sure if this is appropriate considering the bunny is the vice president's pet, not Trump's. EverybodyEdits ( talk) 15:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Joe Biden clearly won the election and will be sworn in. Why are his dogs not listed? Plenty of other pages including List of presidents of the United States by education and List of presidents of the United States by home state both list Joe Biden. His own Wikipedia page lists him as the President-elect. Pennsylvania2 ( talk) 05:10, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
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Please remove the extra comma after the word "squirrel" AmethystPhoenix12 ( talk) 19:43, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Pets at the White House: 50 Years of Presidents and Their Pets, ISBN 9780615580630 Mapsax ( talk) 01:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC) What exist certainly list quite a few "pets" for some of the Presidents. Quite possible many pets listed were never at the White House or even in the District of Columbia.- Worth any distinction? Wfoj3 ( talk) 23:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
The entry claiming Eisenhower made the so-called Checkers Speech is wildly incorrect. The Checkers Speech was made by Richard Millhouse Nixon in an attempt to fend off charges of corruption. 2600:1004:B143:88D0:3D27:DEC1:FE71:5BED ( talk) 15:28, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Cat belonging Joe Biden, Does he get added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.46.180 ( talk) 14:20, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
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Just a quick note: I removed "by president" from this article because we don't have equivalent lists by other criteria, and by president is the obvious (IMO) way to order things. The only other ordering that springs to mind is by type. Of course, we could have both orderings on the same page. Martin 00:02, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
We could, I'm not sure whether it's worth while. We could list Presidents by the types of pets they owned too I guess... 209.102.126.142 04:10, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
At the moment "by president" seems to be in chronological order for the first several and then random (?) order after that. So I'll go with chronological (reverse) order, since I suspect that's how most folks think about the U.S. Prez's anyway.
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"Andrew Johnson - Fed white mice he found in his bedroom" -- is that right? should that be removed 17, Jan 2005
According to Wackiest White House Pets by Gibbs Davis, Scholastic Press, 2004, this is true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.179.143 ( talk) 17:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Also owned a Badger Taxidea named Josiah. The Badger is included in letters of diplomats from Japan and other countries. I would like to add this item.
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I agree it is a quibble but for the earlier presidents horses and the like were transportaion and work animals not Pets. Royal Gift was evidently used for breeding mules [2]. Geo8rge ( talk) 15:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Irish Cocker Spaniel? There is no such thing, and there never has been. There are two types of cocker spaniels, English and American. Presumably not always considered separate breeds, but they are now. Did Kennedy have an English or American Cocker Spaniel that happened to have been born in Ireland? It would explain the name Shannon. But it is incorrect to use the term "Irish Cocker Spaniel" as a breed. 83.71.42.158 ( talk) 05:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
It's going to need to be added soon, so I'm wondering if there's any information about this already. 89.242.173.248 ( talk) 01:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
This page needs some pretty serious cleanup. I am going to do what I can and then add a tag, I feel that it is not finished. Mynameisnotpj ( talk) 11:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I highlight User:Uncle Milty who seems to be protecting this page from being tagged. It has multiple issues and does not have enough citations. Yet he reverts my edits constantly [3] [4] [5] and has threatened to block me to shut me up. I didn't think Wikipedia condoned censorship. How wrong I was. -- 86.45.204.34 ( talk) 00:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
He has broken 3RR and his etiquette could also do with some addressing. -- 86.45.204.34 ( talk) 00:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Except for a few of the pets, none of the others are notable. Even those which are famous (say Checkers), they are only "notable" in reference to the biographies of their owners. There are probably some squirrels living around WhiteHouse, will they be notable as well? Also, there are thousands of people working as WH staff, will that automatically make them notable? Or a first daughters kindergarten teacher?
A comment for User:Lulu of lotus eaters, regarding this edit with the summary "Notability tag added by now-deleted vandal editor ", before calling someone else (in this case, I, who added the tag earlier), please make sure that they are A) "now deleted", B) "vandal". Otherwise this appears to be a personal attack. Thanks. -- Ragib ( talk) 22:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Note: I have changed the Notability tag to an AfD. The appropriate place to resolve the issue of the notability of this topic is over there, where editors who are not otherwise likely to stumble on this talk page are able to opine on its notability. LotLE× talk 00:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I've restored the photo on the article of Susan Ford and her cat. If people think the lead should be expanded, then go ahead and expand it. However, the lack of an extensive lead is no reason to remove a relevant photo of a presidential pet. SMSpivey ( talk) 19:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
To be exact, Checker's was not a pet belonging to a President, rather Checkers was owned by Nixon only during his vice presidency (1952-1960). So, while the speech about him is an interesting footnote of Nixon's vice-presidency, it is incorrect to list him as a "Presidential pet". Right now, the article for Checkers show it died in 1964. Since Nixon only got elected to presidency in 1968, I am removing Checkers from this list. -- Ragib ( talk) 01:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Should Checkers rightfully be claimed a "presidential pet"? After all, Checkers died long before Nixon was elected. ↜Just me, here, now … 13:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Merge articles about US presidential pets into one article. Mrboire ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Encyclopaedic#Wikipedia is not a directory #6. A complete exposition of all possible details. Rather, an article is a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject. Treat verifiable and sourced statements with appropriate weight.
Wikipedia:Notability#Notability is not temporary It takes more than just a short burst of news reports about a single event or topic to constitute sufficient evidence of notability. For example, routine news coverage of such things as announcements, sports, and tabloid journalism are not sufficient basis for a topic to have its own standalone article. The Wikimedia project Wikinews covers topics of present news coverage.
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Invalid_criteria That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being their spouse, is not a reason for a standalone article on A(unless significant coverage can be found on A); see Relationships do not confer notability. However, person A may be included in the related article on B. For example, Brooklyn Beckham and Jason Allen Alexander are included in the articles on David Beckham andBritney Spears, respectively, and the links, Brooklyn Beckham and Jason Allen Alexander, are merely redirects to those articles.
I do not dispute the "amount" of knowledge or coverage of US Presidential Pets, but do they warrant full articles? I do not think so. The fact that the Obamas have pet is News worthy, but the notability of such is suspect, in 4 or 8 years will it really matter? -- Never give up! Never surrender! ( talk) 23:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Comment: I'm not sure if I can support a simple merge and redirect for some of these pets, but they shouldn't necessarily be kept. Yes, they all have enough references to warrant their own article, but does that mean they need their own article? I think this list could easily be expanded and sourced and with some work could make it to WP:FLC, though simple merges will not help this article. Also, this might not always be the best place for all the pets. For example, Bo (dog) may be better at Barack Obama's family. Right now I'm uncharacteristically leaning oppose merge because this list would be in even worse condition if that were to happen. Also, this is more a list of pets rather than in-depth descriptions of them, though that could change with sufficient sourcing, etc. Perhaps an alternative for now is, say, Pets of George W. Bush. Reywas92 Talk 01:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Oppose per Cybercobra and Caspian. Kuralyov ( talk) 19:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Support So long as they are well integrated. YeshuaDavid ( talk) 17:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Support, strongly Combining these together would create a unified article demonstrating the purposes of pets and giving insight into popular culture. Combined, this article could have enough insight and information to become Featured Article. None of the articles by themselves will ever be relevant enough to achieve such quality —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kpstewart ( talk • contribs) 02:18, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
It appears there is support for a merge on the subject - but just to test the water, is there any opposition at all to a merge for the India (cat) article? 99.141.240.227 ( talk) 21:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Grits_(dog) Most of these listings have significantly less value or purpose than the famous Pokemon controversy. It seems the only standard for notability is that a White House resident touched it. Or in the case of Grits_(dog), may or may not have even touched it. Socks was notable, even Bo has a currently strong claim - but beyond that I see no greater standard than a newspaper recorded their existence at some point. Hardly encyclopedic. And what of Ofelia the Longhorn? . 99.141.240.152 ( talk) 14:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
This article is really not very long, a few small paragraphs about the presidential pets, than it becomes a list. I do not see how merging all the small articles into one comprehensive article is a bad thing? Have we become unable to read more than a readers digest version of everything? The size of an article should not be the deciding factor in this type of decision, but how the subject at hand is better presented and better serving to the reader. Right now this article is not up to snuff, and except for Bo (dog), which is only so big right now because of it's "celibrity" status, by being in the media so much, the other articles are not very large. How much influence on politics do each of these pets individualy have? How much influence on american culture does each pet individually really have in a larger sense? Except for a short term interest in the type of dog/cat/gerbil/horse, which brings some temporary increase in "adoptions" (really sales) of the specific breed of animal. There have not been many pets of presidential families that have brought great cultural changes or political changes other than media hysteria and diversions from important issues. If you look at the article about Millie, it states that it is the most famous presidential dog! And that article is smaller than most others!-- That's Life, "Stuff" happens, people die, life goes on. ( talk) 17:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Arbitrary break 1.
Since this discussion seems to be going around in circles, here's a concrete proposal (going mostly on non-fluff length of article):
Comments? Let the debate continue! -- Cybercobra ( talk) 17:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Like I said in the last comment before the arbitrary break, None of these articles are really that long, and one concise article about the whole concept could include most everything important that each individual article contains. The current article is not long either, a few small paragraphs.-- That's Life, "Stuff" happens, people die, life goes on. ( talk) 19:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, we've now merged what everyone seems to agree were some of the worst offenders. Any objections to calling this closed and killing the rest of the merge templates? -- Cybercobra ( talk) 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
The list of united states presidential pets section is unwanted things.Why to put presendential pets on wikipeadia.the president rules a country but pet so, it he is great person. But has nothing so it is unwanted thing.
If we put the list, as it should, out on it's own and make this into an article about the presidential pets it would make more sense.-- That's Life, "Stuff" happens, people die, life goes on. ( talk) 01:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I think presidential pets section of wikipeadia is unwanted things. Presidential rules a country not a pet. If like this happen from tomarrow the section of presidential bathroom wil come to wikipeadia. so, it should be removed from the wikipeadia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.148.103.254 ( talk) 01:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Namely Hoover's 2 Alligators, Coolidge's black bear, and Roosevelt's one-legged rooster. I think these need a citation. 68.82.179.158 ( talk) 00:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Several Presidents have been given animals, particularly horses, as diplomatic gifts. (Reagan and Grant pop immediately to mind. Grant in particular was given two horses by the Sultan of Turkey that became of some significance in American horse breeding). Would any of these be appropriate to add, at least if it can be documented that they kept the animals? Montanabw (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to note that the list of presidential pets for Lincoln has omitted his cat named Tabby. There is a well known photo of Lincoln holding his cat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whiteblouse ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Am I to believe that John Adams owned a TYRANNOSAURUS REX named Bob? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.66.56.172 ( talk) 09:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I would like to flip the table it so that Washington appears first, and Obama last. This is very much the universal convention at WP. Plus, we all know about Bo. I think it would be nicer for visitors to lay eyes on Washington first, then make their way down the list. It's more interesting that way. Objections? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 12:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Done Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 04:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
James Monroe was president from 1817–1825. Siberian Huskies first entered the west in Alaska in 1908 during the gold rush. Anybody see the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.200.246 ( talk) 07:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
"Obama also has a 36 gallon fish tank in the oval office full of various tropical fish" - is there a source for this? Can't find one anywhere. Sounds like a complete fabrication. Crazy Eddy ( talk) 12:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Some of the recent additions are likely pets once ever owned by a President. Please read the very first line of the article (emphasis mine):
Regretfully, I am unable to devote the time necessary to do this, but the list needs verification and clean-up. ~E: 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 09:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
If Martin Van Buren's tiger cubs weren't owned during his presidency, they should be removed...which would make him the only president without any pets in office. (If there's an article that says when he owned them, link to it here and say where it says when he owned them). I already added several hidden notes, including one about the cubs. I also added one about Andy Johnson's 'white mice'-does that mean literally white mice of a nonspecific species, or white-footed mice (currently linked)? It could also mean some other species. Some points:
A Treasury of Great American Scandals (Penguin Books, 2003) ( https://books.google.ca/books?id=RBhvMg7gTAwC&pg=PT101&dq=andrew+johnson+mice&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCQQuwUwAWoVChMI5oetsdymyAIVRhUeCh2zRgRR#v=onepage&q=andrew%20johnson%20mice&f=false) says he left out flour for the mice that infested his bedroom. Would there be multiple species of mice in one bedroom? (Also, did the flour attract anything else)? If so, the assertion of 'pet mice' is correct, but I wonder where 'white mice' came from (I doubt that all the mice were white). Hop on Bananas ( talk) 16:38, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Best Little Stories from the White House (Sourcebooks, 2012) ( https://books.google.ca/books?id=KZPfAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT108&dq=andrew+johnson+mice&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCoQuwUwAmoVChMI5oetsdymyAIVRhUeCh2zRgRR#v=onepage&q=andrew%20johnson%20mice&f=false) agrees-it says just 'mice'. Hop on Bananas ( talk) 16:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Also, someone mentioned earlier on this talk page that horses shouldn't be included since they weren't 'pets' but used as draft animals. (Were all horses used as draft animals? If Jimmy Polk's horse was, it should be removed as it was his only pet). Also see the section above about pets not owned while their owner was in office. Unfortunately, besides Van's 'briefly owned' tigers (see above), it doesn't say in the article when the pets were owned and a few/the most famous pets have their own pages (we could check their owner's pages or some related pages). I'm watching this page, so I'll know if anyone makes any major (or minor) changes. Hop on Bananas ( talk) 17:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Edit:the post about horses/donkeys not being pets, it refers to 'the earlier presidents'. I'm not sure what the limits for that are-it would probably include John Adams's horse (Cleopatra) and maybe Polk's horse but not Ronald Reagan's horses (he kept them at Rancho del Cielo anyway-did he use them)? (Sorry for the quintuple post). Hop on Bananas ( talk) 17:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to see the recently-added stars (*) in the table replaced with proper footnotes, per WP:REFGROUP. A separate refgroup could be used, with the notes listed either before the table (as they are now) or after it.
Another issue is that I'm not sure these notes really add value to the article. Unknown to who? If we don't know the exact number or species, shouldn't we just leave it out? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 17:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, we could just leave them out and assume the reader will assume that (for example)
*(name) - Dog
means the breed is unknown. 'Unknown to whom'? I'd assume it means we don't have enough evidence, so basically no one knows.
Also, if we should add a footnote list for the asterisks, I'd like to know how to make one (I don't currently know how). Hop on Bananas ( talk) 03:18, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
So I tried to replace the asterisks with a note list, but I only got to Thomas Jefferson before I realised "Okay, this is too much of a doozy to do all at once, I should sandbox it". I tried to copy the source from the edit page, but it's hard to copy from the source on an iPad (copying in general seems to be wonky). Can someone with a different device copy it into a sandbox for me? (Is creating a sandbox for someone else, even if it's because of technical problems, allowed)? Hop on Bananas ( talk) 15:39, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I changed the first three entries (George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson) from asterisks to notes in the sandbox. I'll post updates here. (Will I be the only one doing this? For anyone who wants to help, please follow the format I started). Hop on Bananas ( talk) 19:18, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I finished James Madison through Millard Fillmore. It sure is a doozy, especially for pets with multiple notes. Hop on Bananas ( talk) 22:25, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I finished Franklin Pierce through Andrew Johnson. For anyone who wants to help, here's the format:
<ref group="Pet's Statuses"Name/breed/species/number (if there are multiple pets in the same entry, pluralise the first word) unknown</ref>
- Hop on Bananas ( talk) 01:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
I finished Ulysses S. Grant, but it got so tiring adding the markup that I stopped after one president (the more pets the president has, the worse it is). Is there a way to get this done quicker? Also, why am I the only one posting in this thread since I started the updates? Hop on Bananas ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:27, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm confused as to why you're doing it this way. There should just be four possible footnotes:
Then your table looks like this:
And your notes section looks like this:
I didn't mean to make this so hard. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 22:44, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, could I at least get some help converting both my current format and the unchanged stars to your format? I don't think it will be much less of a doozy... Hop on Bananas ( talk) 22:33, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Also, I worked with what I had had WP:REFGROUP since it was linked in the OP. I think I'll go change the first entry in the sandbox soon Hop on Bananas ( talk) 20:08, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I changed the first 2. How's it look? Also, I made a small change to the example list here. Hop on Bananas ( talk) 20:17, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
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The article opens by saying that Presidents had pets, quote, "while serving their term(s) in office". Therefore, one would assume the article only includes pets that lived during a given President's administration. If true, Checkers Nixon (at least) doesn't belong here, as he died several years before Nixon took office. (He was, of course, alive when Nixon was Vice-President.) I suggest the entire list be edited to include only "Presidential" pets, or the title and introductory statement be altered. Elsquared ( talk) 08:29, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
The source I just added for Vulcan says he was a "French hound", not an "American Staghound". Kendall-K1 ( talk) 18:29, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Does every instance of dog, cat, horse, etc. need to be linked? See: WP:Overlink — 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:113C:DDBF:EBB8:1EDA ( talk) 19:52, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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I was tempted to add the {{ expand lead}} tag, but am generally averse to adding tags. As a sort of a beginning draft, I suggest something like:
Ever since the first president, George Washington, dogs have been common companions for presidents and first families. The first documented presidential cat belonged to Abraham Lincoln, and they have been common White House pets ever since. Other common pets include a variety of birds and rodents. An unusual number of strange or exotic animals have sometimes resided at the White House or its environs, from alligators to a wombat.
It should go on to mention farm or working animals treated as pets, since there are a number of horses, cows, goats, etc. Also, there are quite a few "gifts" from foreign royalty or heads of state that could be mentioned. -- Comments or suggestions? — 107.15.152.93 ( talk) 05:55, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Lihaas: We discussed the issue of dogs that were not pets during the time their owners were in the White House; see Talk:United States presidential pets/Archive 1#suggest clarification/revision. At that time the consensus was to include pets like Checkers who had played a part in the campaign. Which pets in particular do you think should be removed? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 03:53, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
I've had to remove and/or modified some entries sourced to Presidential Pet Museum due to conflicting information from authoritative sources (presidential libraries, White House Historical Association, Smithsonian archives, etc.). Also beware of circular sourcing. See, for example:
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Consensus needed for a couple of changes I recommend: Changing explanatory footnotes from ref group 'nb' to {{ efn}} format. & Change ref group name 'ps' to 'key', and adding Key below table where these refs go. Comments? Suggestions? — 107.15.157.44 ( talk) 23:22, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
When was the last time, if ever, that the US has had a petless president?-- Pharos ( talk) 21:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Someone has added Marlon Bundo to Trump's list, but I'm not sure if this is appropriate considering the bunny is the vice president's pet, not Trump's. EverybodyEdits ( talk) 15:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Joe Biden clearly won the election and will be sworn in. Why are his dogs not listed? Plenty of other pages including List of presidents of the United States by education and List of presidents of the United States by home state both list Joe Biden. His own Wikipedia page lists him as the President-elect. Pennsylvania2 ( talk) 05:10, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
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Please remove the extra comma after the word "squirrel" AmethystPhoenix12 ( talk) 19:43, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Pets at the White House: 50 Years of Presidents and Their Pets, ISBN 9780615580630 Mapsax ( talk) 01:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC) What exist certainly list quite a few "pets" for some of the Presidents. Quite possible many pets listed were never at the White House or even in the District of Columbia.- Worth any distinction? Wfoj3 ( talk) 23:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
The entry claiming Eisenhower made the so-called Checkers Speech is wildly incorrect. The Checkers Speech was made by Richard Millhouse Nixon in an attempt to fend off charges of corruption. 2600:1004:B143:88D0:3D27:DEC1:FE71:5BED ( talk) 15:28, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Cat belonging Joe Biden, Does he get added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.46.180 ( talk) 14:20, 27 January 2021 (UTC)