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I'm a little hesitant to declare what the four major sports are, but I suppose there's little controversy. The page's name, though, is a bit misleading -- this is a very US-centric page. I'm fine with US-centric pages but I think they need to be clearly labeled. Any objections to moving to U.S. cities with teams from four major sports? Jwrosenzweig 18:50, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Where are the statistics on each sport's attendance and revenue figures? I'm curious whether the NHL really outranks the MLS in those categories, especially if the revenue figures include broadcasting money. My guess is that if the figures for the MLS don't yet match those of the NHL, they're rapidly closing on them. In any case, neither the NHL or the MLS is likely to approach any of the other three sports in attendance and revenue. Baseball, basketball, and football are like the gas giants of the solar system, compared to terran planets such as hockey and soccer. Sports such as pro lacrosse are the system's asteroids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.18.236 ( talk) 21:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
This is stupid, and misleading. It reads: "Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Minneapolis-St. Paul, the San Francisco Bay Area, and St. Louis, formerly hosted teams in all four major sports leagues."
I thought, by the articles very definition, "city" is defined as "the entire metropolitan area." So why is this necessary? What exactly is the title trying to say? Is it saying that these are cities where the other team plays in the burbs? Cities where they've lost a team at one point? But all of these teams have regained them. Maybe instead it should be labeled: "cities with all four teams which have lost teams and then regained them." But either way...that's really stupid, and just seems to be a regurgitation of random facts, since half of these cities got their teams back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.118.131 ( talk) 06:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
With the newly-formed Seattle Kraken starting in the 2021-22 season this fall, I believe Seattle now qualifies as having both, four sports and four + MLS. Should it be added now or once the season begins? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.147.1.184 ( talk • contribs)
Because I was pretty sure at one point they had one team in each sports league, the Padres in the MLB, the Clippers in the NBA, the Gulls in the NHL, and the Chargers in the NFL. Am I wrong? Because I know they were all in SD at one point (I'm 100% sure for the MLB, NHL, and NFL, but am I wrong about the Clippers?), but were they at different times? Sincerely, CertifiedAmazing2 wanna chat? 20:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Should we add Seattle as a city that has had teams in all four sports? They never had all four at the same time, but they could at least be mentioned under the "former cities" section. Malcolmmwa ( talk) 01:43, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I just added a section at the bottom of this article, "Boston and St. Louis."
I think this fact is worth noting and this is the page where it should be noted.
I welcome input on formatting endnote [7]... I'm not sure that I captured the reference to the NBCsports page correctly.
I also welcome input on formatting of the content.
I sought for the sections to read just like this:
In MLB,
- the Cardinals have beaten the Red Sox to win the 1946 Wold Series and 1967 World Series
- the Red Sox have beaten the Cardinals to win the 2004 World Series and 2013 World Series Series tied 2-2.
but when the page previewed it looked like this:
In MLB, - the Cardinals have beaten the Red Sox to win the 1946 Wold Series and 1967 World Series - the Red Sox have beaten the Cardinals to win the 2004 World Series and 2013 World Series Series tied 2-2.
To get the content like it is I needed to addd two carriage returns / press return/enter twice... as once did not work.
Can someone help me understand how/why the formatting was like this?
Thanks! VVFamEdits ( talk) 02:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
I think the "Boston and St. Louis" section should be put back into the article. It's significant in the context of the article, and would be of interest to our readers. The fact that St. Louis doesn't currently have NBA or NFL teams doesn't matter, because they used to, so it at least has relevance for sports history. So, contrary to this edit summary, it's not trivial. And it's not WP:SYNTH, because the referenced article from NBC Sports documents it. Perhaps some editors were put off by VVFamEdits' discussion style above, and the section did need some reformatting and copy editing, but it would still be a worthwhile inclusion. — Mudwater ( Talk) 01:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
The name of this article has been changed several times recently, without any discussion. Usually it's better to talk about these things first. So, let's talk about it now.
Here are the recent name changes:
So... What does everybody think is the best title for this article, and why? It could be the current name, a former name, or a different name. Post 'em up, folks. (Pinging @ Banan14kab and Oknazevad: but all are encouraged to participate.) — Mudwater ( Talk) 22:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
I suggest we rename the article back to the old name, prior to July of this year -- "U.S. cities with teams from four major league sports". That title was much shorter, or less unwieldy, and it was also accurate. The word "city" can refer to the area within the legal boundaries of a large municipality, but it can also mean an entire metropolitan area. The second usage often applies to sports teams. — Mudwater ( Talk) 19:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Yes, let's rename this article back to what it was before -- "U.S. cities with teams from four major league sports". Or should it have a hyphen -- "U.S. cities with teams from four major-league sports"? What do others say? In an attempt to get more editorial opinions, I have posted about this here at WikiProject Sports. — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I just realized that Banan14kab renamed the article to "United States cities with teams from four major league sports", back on December 2nd. So, I think we're good now. — Mudwater ( Talk) 01:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
I support the following name - United States cities with teams from four major-league sports. If United States is to be shortened to U.S., then this needs to be applied to all related articles. Since many related articles spell out the United States, it would require a large number of article renames. Consistency in naming across the platform is very important. - BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 20:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
The analysis section of this article is messy and filled with non-notable information. Fun facts about things like which high-population areas don't have teams don't fall under WP:SIGCOV, at least with the current citations. Even if that was fixed, the article still has too many subsections. Five of them regard population, and an additional two are about cities with two teams in the same league.
What should be done with this section? Right now, it feels like the best thing to do is scrap it entirely but if there's a good way to improve it I haven't thought of, I'd like to hear it. SolarSnail ( talk) 19:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
I believe we've discussed this topic already on this thread, but given the title of the article and what has been accepted as written for awhile now, the first column in the table should be the "Core city (or cities)" not "Metro areas". From the context of the article readers can obviously identify some teams are based within the metro area, hence why we put locations in small parentheses. People are more familiar with cities and it is simpler. The article was fine so there is no reason to change it suddenly; I also advocate this as I originally changed it to metro areas and it was discussed it's overall better to keep it as cities. This shouldn't even need to be discussed to be honest. It just causes disruption. Banan14kab ( talk) 15:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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I'm a little hesitant to declare what the four major sports are, but I suppose there's little controversy. The page's name, though, is a bit misleading -- this is a very US-centric page. I'm fine with US-centric pages but I think they need to be clearly labeled. Any objections to moving to U.S. cities with teams from four major sports? Jwrosenzweig 18:50, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Where are the statistics on each sport's attendance and revenue figures? I'm curious whether the NHL really outranks the MLS in those categories, especially if the revenue figures include broadcasting money. My guess is that if the figures for the MLS don't yet match those of the NHL, they're rapidly closing on them. In any case, neither the NHL or the MLS is likely to approach any of the other three sports in attendance and revenue. Baseball, basketball, and football are like the gas giants of the solar system, compared to terran planets such as hockey and soccer. Sports such as pro lacrosse are the system's asteroids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.18.236 ( talk) 21:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
This is stupid, and misleading. It reads: "Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Minneapolis-St. Paul, the San Francisco Bay Area, and St. Louis, formerly hosted teams in all four major sports leagues."
I thought, by the articles very definition, "city" is defined as "the entire metropolitan area." So why is this necessary? What exactly is the title trying to say? Is it saying that these are cities where the other team plays in the burbs? Cities where they've lost a team at one point? But all of these teams have regained them. Maybe instead it should be labeled: "cities with all four teams which have lost teams and then regained them." But either way...that's really stupid, and just seems to be a regurgitation of random facts, since half of these cities got their teams back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.118.131 ( talk) 06:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
With the newly-formed Seattle Kraken starting in the 2021-22 season this fall, I believe Seattle now qualifies as having both, four sports and four + MLS. Should it be added now or once the season begins? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.147.1.184 ( talk • contribs)
Because I was pretty sure at one point they had one team in each sports league, the Padres in the MLB, the Clippers in the NBA, the Gulls in the NHL, and the Chargers in the NFL. Am I wrong? Because I know they were all in SD at one point (I'm 100% sure for the MLB, NHL, and NFL, but am I wrong about the Clippers?), but were they at different times? Sincerely, CertifiedAmazing2 wanna chat? 20:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Should we add Seattle as a city that has had teams in all four sports? They never had all four at the same time, but they could at least be mentioned under the "former cities" section. Malcolmmwa ( talk) 01:43, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I just added a section at the bottom of this article, "Boston and St. Louis."
I think this fact is worth noting and this is the page where it should be noted.
I welcome input on formatting endnote [7]... I'm not sure that I captured the reference to the NBCsports page correctly.
I also welcome input on formatting of the content.
I sought for the sections to read just like this:
In MLB,
- the Cardinals have beaten the Red Sox to win the 1946 Wold Series and 1967 World Series
- the Red Sox have beaten the Cardinals to win the 2004 World Series and 2013 World Series Series tied 2-2.
but when the page previewed it looked like this:
In MLB, - the Cardinals have beaten the Red Sox to win the 1946 Wold Series and 1967 World Series - the Red Sox have beaten the Cardinals to win the 2004 World Series and 2013 World Series Series tied 2-2.
To get the content like it is I needed to addd two carriage returns / press return/enter twice... as once did not work.
Can someone help me understand how/why the formatting was like this?
Thanks! VVFamEdits ( talk) 02:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
I think the "Boston and St. Louis" section should be put back into the article. It's significant in the context of the article, and would be of interest to our readers. The fact that St. Louis doesn't currently have NBA or NFL teams doesn't matter, because they used to, so it at least has relevance for sports history. So, contrary to this edit summary, it's not trivial. And it's not WP:SYNTH, because the referenced article from NBC Sports documents it. Perhaps some editors were put off by VVFamEdits' discussion style above, and the section did need some reformatting and copy editing, but it would still be a worthwhile inclusion. — Mudwater ( Talk) 01:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
The name of this article has been changed several times recently, without any discussion. Usually it's better to talk about these things first. So, let's talk about it now.
Here are the recent name changes:
So... What does everybody think is the best title for this article, and why? It could be the current name, a former name, or a different name. Post 'em up, folks. (Pinging @ Banan14kab and Oknazevad: but all are encouraged to participate.) — Mudwater ( Talk) 22:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
I suggest we rename the article back to the old name, prior to July of this year -- "U.S. cities with teams from four major league sports". That title was much shorter, or less unwieldy, and it was also accurate. The word "city" can refer to the area within the legal boundaries of a large municipality, but it can also mean an entire metropolitan area. The second usage often applies to sports teams. — Mudwater ( Talk) 19:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Yes, let's rename this article back to what it was before -- "U.S. cities with teams from four major league sports". Or should it have a hyphen -- "U.S. cities with teams from four major-league sports"? What do others say? In an attempt to get more editorial opinions, I have posted about this here at WikiProject Sports. — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I just realized that Banan14kab renamed the article to "United States cities with teams from four major league sports", back on December 2nd. So, I think we're good now. — Mudwater ( Talk) 01:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
I support the following name - United States cities with teams from four major-league sports. If United States is to be shortened to U.S., then this needs to be applied to all related articles. Since many related articles spell out the United States, it would require a large number of article renames. Consistency in naming across the platform is very important. - BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 20:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
The analysis section of this article is messy and filled with non-notable information. Fun facts about things like which high-population areas don't have teams don't fall under WP:SIGCOV, at least with the current citations. Even if that was fixed, the article still has too many subsections. Five of them regard population, and an additional two are about cities with two teams in the same league.
What should be done with this section? Right now, it feels like the best thing to do is scrap it entirely but if there's a good way to improve it I haven't thought of, I'd like to hear it. SolarSnail ( talk) 19:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
I believe we've discussed this topic already on this thread, but given the title of the article and what has been accepted as written for awhile now, the first column in the table should be the "Core city (or cities)" not "Metro areas". From the context of the article readers can obviously identify some teams are based within the metro area, hence why we put locations in small parentheses. People are more familiar with cities and it is simpler. The article was fine so there is no reason to change it suddenly; I also advocate this as I originally changed it to metro areas and it was discussed it's overall better to keep it as cities. This shouldn't even need to be discussed to be honest. It just causes disruption. Banan14kab ( talk) 15:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)