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This 2022 legislation changed a number of aspects of the Electoral process.
The section United States Electoral College#Meetings currently includes:
[...]
The electors certify the Certificates of Vote, and copies of the certificates are then sent in the following fashion: [1]
[...]
In particular rather than "registered mail" , the law now says [ https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4573/text#ide93e7469-13a1-46f5-93f3-856940f78c0f]
“The electors shall immediately transmit at the same time and by the most expeditious method available the certificates of votes so made by them, together with the annexed certificates of ascertainment of appointment of electors, as follows:
So will we see a road rally, mail rockets, drones, and/or delivery robots? Or will an PDF via email suffice? :-)
Lent ( talk) 18:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Lent ( talk) 18:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Also changed is the date the electors meet in their respective state legislatures following the presidential election. I've known it to be the "first Monday after the second Wednesday in December" for a number of years, and then I see that the one coming up in 2024 is December 17 (a Tuesday), which is one day later than I thought it would be. Section 106(a) of the law—what I cite here apparently is an early draft of it (a bill at the time)—addresses this. [1] It looks like a fairly straight-forward addition to the "Meeting of electors" section (currently 3.8 in the table of contents), but the old date is mentioned in at least one other place (4.2.4 "Meetings" in the table of contents, for one). Possibly just a simple change there? MPFitz1968 ( talk) 21:09, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
U.S. stands out in how it picks a head of state | Pew Research Center
How Germany’s electoral college was set up to prevent another Hitler - The Washington Post
Thirty democracies are constitutional monarchies (with elected representatives in Parliament selecting the Prime Minister), and another thirty republics use indirect-voting, including Germany and India. 192.252.228.133 ( talk) 03:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Proposing reorganizing the article to put sections towards the top by:
1) higher-quality secondary sources and analysis. A number of sections currently at the top have really long quotes, citing primary sources that appear to be original research and interpretations that will require quite a bit of work to sort through all the tags before they are encyclopedic.
2) notability: this is a highly-critiqued form of electing president that has been the subject of more constitutional amendment attempts than any other part of the constitution (and a system of electing president that every other democracy has gotten rid of). Elevating these paragraphs would emphasize the most notable parts of the Electoral College (its uniqueness worldwide and debate over its merits and reform attempts). Superb Owl ( talk) 17:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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This 2022 legislation changed a number of aspects of the Electoral process.
The section United States Electoral College#Meetings currently includes:
[...]
The electors certify the Certificates of Vote, and copies of the certificates are then sent in the following fashion: [1]
[...]
In particular rather than "registered mail" , the law now says [ https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4573/text#ide93e7469-13a1-46f5-93f3-856940f78c0f]
“The electors shall immediately transmit at the same time and by the most expeditious method available the certificates of votes so made by them, together with the annexed certificates of ascertainment of appointment of electors, as follows:
So will we see a road rally, mail rockets, drones, and/or delivery robots? Or will an PDF via email suffice? :-)
Lent ( talk) 18:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Lent ( talk) 18:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Also changed is the date the electors meet in their respective state legislatures following the presidential election. I've known it to be the "first Monday after the second Wednesday in December" for a number of years, and then I see that the one coming up in 2024 is December 17 (a Tuesday), which is one day later than I thought it would be. Section 106(a) of the law—what I cite here apparently is an early draft of it (a bill at the time)—addresses this. [1] It looks like a fairly straight-forward addition to the "Meeting of electors" section (currently 3.8 in the table of contents), but the old date is mentioned in at least one other place (4.2.4 "Meetings" in the table of contents, for one). Possibly just a simple change there? MPFitz1968 ( talk) 21:09, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
U.S. stands out in how it picks a head of state | Pew Research Center
How Germany’s electoral college was set up to prevent another Hitler - The Washington Post
Thirty democracies are constitutional monarchies (with elected representatives in Parliament selecting the Prime Minister), and another thirty republics use indirect-voting, including Germany and India. 192.252.228.133 ( talk) 03:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Proposing reorganizing the article to put sections towards the top by:
1) higher-quality secondary sources and analysis. A number of sections currently at the top have really long quotes, citing primary sources that appear to be original research and interpretations that will require quite a bit of work to sort through all the tags before they are encyclopedic.
2) notability: this is a highly-critiqued form of electing president that has been the subject of more constitutional amendment attempts than any other part of the constitution (and a system of electing president that every other democracy has gotten rid of). Elevating these paragraphs would emphasize the most notable parts of the Electoral College (its uniqueness worldwide and debate over its merits and reform attempts). Superb Owl ( talk) 17:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)