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User:Rob984 rightly noted that previous revisons of the lead noted the
Irish Sea's 'border' with the UK while excluding other water bodies, such as the
Bristol Channel. I removed his term "Celtic Seas" because it's not a term I can find much usage of elsewhere - there's no article here on Wikipedia, for instance. Other sources, such as Encyclopedia Britannica, describe the Atlantic Ocean bordering the UK as such: "southwestern England, the northwestern coast of Northern Ireland, and western Scotland face the Atlantic Ocean." The
Celtic Sea article describes it as a part of the Atlantic Ocean, in addition our current revision of the lead describes the UK as being surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean, which would suggest it encompasses the Celtic Sea. You can see my own edits to the lead in the current revision; I've chosen to exclude the Celtic Sea because I think its already covered by noting the Atlantic Ocean. I do think it's important to detail the Irish Sea, without which we risk describing the geography of Great Britain only. Are other users in full agreement with the current text or are there any compelling reasons why the Celtic Sea be noted? If not I'm sure we can come up with an alternative wording here in the lead.
I'm raising this on the talk page because I want to be extra cautious in light of previous warnings I've received about 'edit warring'. -
Hazhk
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NebY ( talk) 20:01, 27 August 2014 (UTC)The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,[nb 6] commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain (/ˈbrɪ.tən/), is a sovereign state located off the north-western coast of continental Europe. The country includes the island of Great Britain (a term sometimes loosely applied to the whole state), the north-eastern part of the island of Ireland, and many smaller islands. Northern Ireland is the only part of the UK that shares a land border with another state: the Republic of Ireland.[nb 7] Apart from this land border, the UK is surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean, with the North Sea in the east, the English Channel in the south and the Irish Sea in the west.
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the english of the following sentence is odd, to correct it and clarify the meaning of the sentence. the sentence in question is [ London is one of the three "command centres" of the global economy (alongside New York City and Tokyo),[201] is the world's largest financial centre alongside New York,[202][203][204] and has the largest city GDP in Europe.] I would add an "it" after [201] and before is thus reading as follows [London is one of the three "command centres" of the global economy (alongside New York City and Tokyo),[201] it is the world's largest financial centre alongside New York,[202][203][204] and has the largest city GDP in Europe.] Andi Deane ( talk) 09:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Two recent insertions by
NickGrogan-UK (
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contribs) have been copied verbatim or with the core text copied from the website of Energy Solutions, who describe themselves as "Commercial Energy Brokers".
Website text
[1] (with bold-face added):"In 1997, following privatisation of the electricity industry there were fourteen Public Electricity Suppliers (PES) in UK which replaced the old area and Scottish electricity boards. Whilst the geographical areas of these former PESs remain unchanged the industry itself is somewhat different. Although distribution has been separated altogether from supply, the former PES areas are used as the basis of current day distribution areas."
Latest insertion
[2] (with bold-face added):"From 1989 onwards, the electricity distribution was privatized, see Timeline of the UK electricity supply industry, resulting in the creation of the fourteen Public electricity suppliers(PES) in UK which replaced the old area electricity boards(AEBs) in England and Wales and the Scottish electricity boards. The geographical area covered by these PESs remain unchanged, but the industry itself is somewhat different. Although distribution has been separated altogether from supply, the former PES areas are used as the basis of current day distribution areas.[270]. The retail supply of electricity to both domestic and commercial customers has also been privatised, with the market dominated by the Big Six Energy Suppliers (UK)."
In his edit comment, Nick has asked "please talk before revising" but
WP:COPYVIO requires immediate action, so rather than revise I now will simply revert. I note that the original version of
User:NickGrogan-UK says that Energy Solutions, the source of the text, is his company.
[3] This does not mean that previously published text, even if written by the contributing editor, can be freely copied into Wikipedia - see
WP:DONATETEXT. It does mean that there is an apparent
conflict of interest possible in referencing that site, and it is common in cases of referencing one's own work to question whether that work constitutes a
reliable source. (I should also note that impersonation is common enough on Wikipedia that it's normal to retain an open mind on whether a contributor really is who they claim to be, even though I see no reason to doubt it in this case.)
If I was revising this text, I would link to
Distribution network operator which describes the current situation and provides a brief history as well as a map and table, using
Ofgem's website as its main source.
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New Union Jack
User:Flk-Brdrf the proposed date for Scottish independence (if the vote goes that way) is the 25 March 2016 so nothing will change for a while, no evidence that the name of the United Kingdom or the flag would need to change. As that is a least 18 months away then nothing is going to happen in the next few week other than a result of a ballot, nothing will change here for a while if at all so not much point in continuing this speculation, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 13:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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The UK is in Europe. This isn't clarified until the last sentence of the introduction. I propose:
“ | The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain /ˈbrɪ.tən/, is a sovereign state in Europe. Situated off the northwestern coast of the European mainland, the country includes the island of Great Britain (a term sometimes also loosely applied to the whole state), the northeastern part of the island of Ireland, and many smaller islands. | ” |
The specific location and composition of the state can be covered nicely in the second sentence.
I think the continent that the UK is part of is significant, and as it only requires three additional words, I struggle to see how it is '
unnecessary elaboration'.
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I've reverted the addition of this map because it's inaccurate in referring separately to (1) the "United Kingdom of Great Britain" and (2) Northern Ireland. There is no such term as the "United Kingdom of Great Britain". Great Britain comprises England, Scotland, and Wales (currently), but that is not the "United Kingdom". The correct term is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" - that is, it unites Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If the two need to be distinguished, just say "Great Britain" and "Northern Ireland". Or leave those names off entirely. And, without wishing to start a "my city is bigger/better than yours" argument, I think there is a stronger case for including Manchester than Leeds - though you could have both. But having said that, if those corrections are made, I think the map could be a useful addition. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 15:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Manchester is not replacing leeds due to it's close proximity to birmingham on the map, sorry, also the website states that logo has to stay there to be legally on this website.WikiImproves 18:29, 9 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiImprovment78 ( talk • contribs)
Why don't we use the location map and add labels using the template? Rob ( talk | contribs) 20:41, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do, and Ghmyrtle, I never removed Derry, why do you want me to? WikiImprovment78 ( talk) 19:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I've started adding labels, is this suitable? I don't want to add all the labels to then discover people want x, y and z changed. Don't worry too much about the accuracy of the pinpoints. They can be improved before it's added to the article, it just takes time.
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This section quotes the 2001 census statistics. Could anyone update it to the 2011 census please ? Pwimageglow ( talk) 10:51, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone know how we got back to a situation when the only two named universities are Oxford and Cambridge? It would be nice to represent changes since the fifteenth century.-- SabreBD ( talk) 17:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Two people, including myself, have tried but our additions and citations have been removed Hayek79 ( talk) 13:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Given that there is at present a section in the article about Crown Dependencies and overseas territories, I do not see why the map is inappropriate, especially when you consider that the UK is sovereign over British Overseas Territories. Hayek79 ( talk) 13:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
there has been a backlash against the "other stuff exists" type of rationales. Re edit-warring, as the policy document WP:EDITWAR points out,
The three-revert rule is a convenient limit for occasions when an edit war is happening fairly quickly, but it is not a definition of what "edit warring" means, and it is perfectly possible to edit war without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so,to which I'd add that it's much better to be warned in time than to cross the line and be blocked. NebY ( talk) 11:16, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Constitutionally the United Kingdom is a direct continuation of the Kingdom of England, I do not see why the formation of it (and the Kingdom of Scotland) should not be included. The act of union 1707 didn't create a new nation, as in the United States.
Now Rob984 says: "Why England? Why not Wessex? Or Great Britain and Ireland? Undue weight on two predecessors" - Great Britain is there, Act of Union 1707 incase you hadn't noticed. Ireland constitutionally isn't that important - as it was a English client state. You say why 'England' - it was the direct predecessor state.... it existed for a great deal longer than either United Kingdoms have thus far. Undue weight would be including Act of Union 1707 and Act of Union 1801, or us joining the EU, and not the formation of the countries that formed the union, your logic makes no sense - and certainly does not constitute a reasonable argument for reverting my edit.
If you want to add Wessex - add it. The French article for example, has the Kingdom of France and it's various predecessor states - despite each constitutionally differing to a far greater degree than England/UK. Alexsau1991 ( talk) 20:15, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
6th century, Hengist and Horsa, or even Ida...an established state? You're having a laugh! Aethelstan was the first king of all the English in the 10th c. Now, onto the constitution, of which there is no such thing in the UK, how could you describe the Court of Session or the General Assembly (still very evidently on the go) as Saxon institutions? Brendandh ( talk) 21:39, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
many centuriesof
being governed so stably. NebY ( talk) 22:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
The distinction of 'before and after' 1707 is offensively idiotic. The UK is comprised of four nations, Wales and Ireland are two of them. It is POV to actually privilege the union with Scotland over that of Wales and Ireland. And make no mistake, the 'before and after' 1707 section does precisely that. And for that reason, this article is currently absurd and ahistorical. Indeed, as it currently stands, the 'before 1707' section doesn't even mention the Acts of Union with Wales. Put simply, this article is laughable. 95.146.250.72 ( talk) 13:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Currently the article's info box lists several dates as the formation dates for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. These include the England Scotland Act of Union, the Britain Ireland Act of Union and the Anglo Irish Treaty. I added in the Government of Ireland Act because that is how Northern Ireland was established. This was deleted. See my edit: [8]. Shouldn't the establishment of Northern Ireland, one of the 3 UK jurisdictions be marked on the list of dates? Frenchmalawi ( talk) 00:26, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Gosh, how you can say it has nothing to do with formation! It "formed" NI. Without it, NI which is 1 of the 3 remainingf UK jurisdictions would not exist! You seem to have a doubt about about the truth of all this too. I suggest you read the Government of Ireland Act. For the exact date it was and thereby NI "formed", you can see it is referenced with the source on the NI page. Obviously, I would like it to be referenced on the UK page too but it isn't at present which is what this discussion was basically about, albeit it could be referenced elsewhere in the article but isn't. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 01:01, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The amendment of “The Principality of Wales was incorporated into the Kingdom of England in 1536.” to “ Wales was annexed by the Kingdom of England under the Acts of Union of 1536 and 1543.” in the Lead was reverted with the edit summary “Powys was annexed in the 13th century”, which is news to me. Following the defeat of Llywelyn ap Gruffudd, the Kingdom of Powys became one of the Marcher Lordships - until the Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542. To single out the Principality of Wales, which comprised only about 2/3 of Wales, as being incorporated into England is misleading. The Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542 state: “That his said Country or Dominion of Wales shall be, stand and continue for ever from henceforth incorporated, united and annexed to and with this his Realm of England” i.e. “ Wales was annexed by the Kingdom of England under the Acts of Union of 1536 and 1543”, whether or not any other parts of Wales were under English control before the Acts. I have re-instated the statement. Daicaregos ( talk) 08:55, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The sentence "In 1066, the Normans invaded England from France and after its conquest, seized large parts of Wales, conquered much of Ireland and were invited to settle in Scotland," seems to perptuate a common myth that the Norman's didn't conquer Scotland. It's true that King David invited many of his Norman followers to Scotland and parcelled out land to them. But David had been brought up as a Norman and was parachuted into his post as King of the Soots. The Scots had earlier been defeated by the Normans following the latter's invasion of Britain, and the then King of the Scots had sworn fealty to William thus making the Scots king a sub regulus or Low King owing allegiance to the Norman High King. David in turn seems to have remained loyal and content with that status until the accident of the civil war between Matilda and Stephen left him semi-independent and holding land which he would otherwise never have expected to hold outright. Cassandrathesceptic ( talk) 11:23, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Having just myself checked the recent edit by @MissionFix in the "Etymology and terminology" section, it does appear to be supported by the existing source which states "The earlier Act of Union, of 1707, states merely that England and Scotland shall 'be united into one kingdom by the name of Great Britain'.". Mutt Lunker ( talk) 18:21, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Why did they never put "Category:States and territories established in "<any year>"" for United Kingdom?
I do not know how long United Kingdom have been a country for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.244.200.26 ( talk) 08:24, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
When you type into Google "IS the UK a country," Google returns with this answer: "The United Kingdom is the 22nd-most populous country" which is a direct quote from this article. And yet other sources say the UK is not a country. This is very confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.89.130.10 ( talk) 03:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
The word country is synonymous with sovereign state in everyday speech so the UK is a country in this sense of the word. Tk420 ( talk) 13:05, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure where one could find this information, but I request that the ethnic groups portion of the demographics section be updated to the most recent data possible. Thank you.-- Jacksoncw ( talk) 18:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
It might have been a good idea to canvas opinion and help before going to a GA Review. Honestly this article cannot pass at the moment, if only due to the many unsourced statements currently in the text.-- SabreBD ( talk) 16:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
It is not particularly hard or onerous to fix citations to dead links if you have access to the Wayback Machine or are knowledgable enough about the topic to have other sources (including offline or subscription-only ones). In any case, just blindly removing content just because it does not have a working URL is frowned upon - a newspaper citation, for example, can still be verified by going to the British Library and searching through their newspaper archive - and that is absolutely fine. And FWIW I've been slowly going through Katie Hopkins fixing all the dead links and content that does't actually correlate with the source which per WP:BLP is rather important.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:40, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I have been through most of the "dead links" in this article and added archiveurls where possible and replaced a couple with new references which support the claims made. There is one outstanding one I can not fix. The claim "Agriculture is intensive, highly mechanised and efficient by European standards, producing about 60% of food needs with less than 1.6% of the labour force (535,000 workers)" is supported by a (badly formed) link to a DEFRA page which no longer exists and I'm unable to find a previous copy or anything else which supports this claim. Can anyone help?— Rod talk 13:22, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
I've now been going through the deadlinks identified by checklinks & not tagged. A couple more need help:
Any help with fix or identifying alternatives would be helpful.— Rod talk 16:39, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
A discussion about moving this article to Provisional Government of the Irish Free State was started. Very limited participation so far and more input would be appreciated. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 23:02, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't have time to read the whole article and contribute to the GA review, but I wanted to mention some issues with the ethnic groups section, since that's something I have some expertise on. Firstly, I'm not sure if starting the section with a table rather than text is a good idea presentationally. Second, most scholars of ethnicity don't recognise the "ethnic group" categories used in the British census as reflecting their understanding of what constitute ethnic groups. The census categories mix race and ethnicity. Perhaps this could briefly be noted? I've recently added some material on this to the Classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom article, which could be borrowed for this purpose. Then there's the issue that the labels in the table don't match those of the source. For example, "Gypsy/Traveller/Irish Traveller" in the source has become "White: Irish Traveller" in the table. Finally, the sentence "In 2011, 86% of the population identified themselves as White, meaning 12.9% of the UK population identify themselves as of mixed ethnic minority" doesn't match the figures in table. The word "meaning" is also misused, because the second part of the sentence isn't a consequence of the first. I don't know what "of mixed ethnic minority" means. I presume it should read "of an ethnic minority"? Cordless Larry ( talk) 16:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I have now started to deal with some of these issues. Help would be appreciated. Cordless Larry ( talk) 20:52, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
The ethnic groups section currently starts with a discussion of a few genetic studies. This (link to full study in the references, for those with access) was in the news today. I'm no expert on genetics (and given that ethnicity is at least partly subjective and social, not genetically determined, it's perhaps not relevant), but does this change what we should say in the article? Cordless Larry ( talk) 22:58, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
See Talk:Genetic history of the British Isles#Leslie, S. et al. Nature. It has been suggested that any changes to articles that this paper affects starts with Genetic history of the British Isles and that those changes if any are then reflected in other less detailed articles. -- PBS ( talk) 12:21, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Are UK page editors aware that the title page for the above former UK country has been changed from plain old "Southern Ireland" which it was for years. " Southern Ireland" is now a dab page as if that was needed. To properly reference this former UK country now, you will have to type "Southern Ireland (1921-1922)|Southern Ireland". Am I the only one who thinks this is nuts? I've re-opened the discussion on the Talk:Southern Ireland (1921–22) if editors wish to contribute. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 00:26, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Southern Ireland (1921-1922) should be moved back to "Southern Ireland" as it was for years. You can contribute to the discussion at Talk:Southern Ireland (1921–22). Frenchmalawi ( talk) 17:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
The very first claim in the article is inaccurate. The United Kingdom is not a sovereign state it is part of the European Union and the parliament of England can be overruled legally by the larger union. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_%28European_Union_law%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.131.31 ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 15 April 2015
Though England would certainly not be the right term for the UK, it still has been the most used name in the country's history. I think in the initial description a "sometimes only referred as England" should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weltarchiv ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
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2.216.36.119 ( talk) 15:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC) A separation required between Great and Britain currently as GreatBritain Top Right column
I missed out on the discussion where a consensus was apparently reached to include non-english versions of the UK's name, at the top of the infobox :( If they're going to remain, may I suggest they be made 'collapsable', so that the infobox isn't so elongated at the top & thus 'odd' looking? GoodDay ( talk) 14:47, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Can you plz add "Telugu" language to the section 7.2 as shown below Present Text:
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South Asian languages, including Bengali, Tamil, Punjabi, Hindi and Gujarati, are the largest grouping and are spoken by 2.7% of the UK population
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South Asian languages, including Bengali, Tamil, Punjabi, Hindi, Telugu and Gujarati, are the largest grouping and are spoken by 2.7% of the UK population
Under Politics, Government - the page still says that the PM "heads a coalition with the Liberal Democrats", however, since the 2015 election there is a new government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PepperMintTea1967 ( talk • contribs) 09:33, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
When people click on G7 and G8 in UK article ( like also in United States , France , Germany , Italy , Canada and Japan articles) it appears the same article that is G7 (forum).Clicking on G7 should appear not G7 (forum) because it has no sense but it should appear G7 (finance ministers).In this form article isn't correct otherwise and doesn't present UK in the correct form and with the right prestige.UK is member also of the G7 (finance ministers) and this must be corrected also in the article of the other 6 states i mentioned.Thanks. 151.40.78.43 ( talk) 06:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks.People must know that net national wealth on which is based the G7 finance ministers is more important than the G7 (former G8) based on policy (Russia that has a very small national wealth in fact wasn't in the finance G7).Finance ministers met always before the G8 (today G7 forum),in fact without money people can't set policy in the world.The G7 finance ministers rapresents around the 2/3 of the national net wealth in the world.Net national wealth is like the wealth of a family that can't be compared to the nominal GDP that is just the annual wage of a family.There's a lot of confusion about it,because GDP is widely overvalued in Wikipedia english compared to the more important net national wealth.This because many developing countries are using propaganda about GDP meaning that is easier to boost in the short starting from low positions and with high inflations.The prestige of the sates that are in the G7 finance ministers and governors must be respected in all their related articles.Thanks again for you work. 151.40.78.43 ( talk) 08:36, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
I would like to update the popualtion density figure in the second paragraph under Demographics section - it uses data from mid-2003 and mid-2014 data are available. Might also update sentence in first paragraph starting '2010 was the....'. I will update number of last sentence in paragraph three under migration. I will also update the percentage of people reading newspapers - latest data is only 2010 but this is better than 2009. Any problems with this please let me know, thanks Greensl7 ( talk) 09:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I have carried out the updates but in doing so seem to have affected reference 292 - even though I did not amend this reference. I amended ref 291, of which there were 2 and they were the same. So now there is only one but it has affected ref 292. Can anybody help? Thanks Greensl7 ( talk) 11:20, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that this article has been extensively re-written recently and erroneously at that. I would like to point out that this article cites Northern Ireland as a country. It isnt. Northern Ireland is an annexed province of the United Kingdom, a Monarchic Kingdom overseeing three separate countries; Wales, England and Scotland. To suggest that England is not a country in its own right is erroneous. Several other items *now* contained in this article are also highly questionable. I have noticed this article is now 'locked' for some reason. Unfortunately it has been locked with a host of inaccuracies attached to it. Please correct these. Britain is a Geographic Location. The Uk is a Monarchy with a central Government in London, England. England is a country. Wales is a country. Scotland is a country. North Ireland is an annexed territory. Please have your team look at this article which is now *very* inaccurate. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobGordon35 ( talk • contribs) 19:12, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
With such a broad article complex issues need to be summed up in one sentence. But the danger of that is that the oversimplification may distort a neutral summation of the issues:
-- PBS ( talk) 10:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I've reverted the addition of the UNOCHA map to the infobox - see right - because I think it's wrong and misleading. The error, I think, is in referring to the "United Kingdom of Great Britain"... and, separately, to "Northern Ireland". My understanding is that the "United Kingdom" is of "Great Britain and Northern Ireland". In my view, the map should not be included unless it is corrected (and, even then, I'm not convinced it's necessary). Ghmyrtle ( talk) 15:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
I added the image as it's informative. It shows many of the major cities of the UK as well as other neighbouring countries. With regards to Northern Ireland, I don't think it is misleading as it clearly states in the blue heading the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. SantiagoFrancoRamos ( talk) 20:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
This map looks better and the map showing cities in administrative divisions looks comparable to the ones made in the 1990s. I see the error in the labelling of the island and would be able to change it to Great Britain instead. SantiagoFrancoRamos ( talk) 20:37, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
The United Kingdom, like the United States, does not have an official language. It has only a national language. Notwithstanding English is the common language of the British government, certain actions must still performed in the Norman language in order for them to be official - as when the Queen gives rubber stamp approval to an act of Parliament with the words, "La Reine le Veult." She doesn't do that for fun; she does it because it's required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.162.218.153 ( talk • contribs) 17:08, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Official national language | English |
Official regional language | Welsh |
Recognised regional languages | Scots, Ulster Scots, Cornish, Scottish Gaelic, Irish |
National language | English |
Official languages | English, Welsh |
Recognised regional languages | Scots, Ulster Scots, Cornish, Scottish Gaelic, Irish |
Under Politics - Government it says that elections are called by the monarch, and are subject to the Parliament Acts. However this is no longer the case since the introduction of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. PepperMintTea1967 ( talk) 23:27, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
I think it's enough to leave just information of history there as this is far less controversial than rankings'. THE (comprising both global main and reputation league tables) doesn't represent all the major rankings we have ( ARWU, QS, US News). To me, it's a bit biased to just mention one of them. In dialogue with Biomedicinal 12:55, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I think Oxbridge has significance as they're the two oldest universities in English-speaking world. I personally don't prefer mentioning rankings, which can vary dramatically from publisher to publisher. If they're really required, we can add something like "UK has the second most tertiary institutions ranked among the top 100 on a number of league tables" which is pretty consistent in the ones I cited above. In dialogue with Biomedicinal 15:39, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I believe that the First Ministers of the devolved nations (Scotland, NI, and Wales) should be included in the infobox below Prime Minister.
See Infobox right:
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
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Anthem: "
God Save the Queen"
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Capital and largest city |
London 51°30′N 0°7′W / 51.500°N 0.117°W | ||||||||||||
Official language and national language | English | ||||||||||||
Recognised regional languages [nb 3] | |||||||||||||
Ethnic groups (
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Government | Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy | ||||||||||||
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Monarch | Elizabeth II | ||||||||||||
David Cameron | |||||||||||||
Nicola Sturgeon Arlene Foster Martin McGuinness Carwyn Jones | |||||||||||||
Legislature | Parliament | ||||||||||||
House of Lords | |||||||||||||
House of Commons | |||||||||||||
History | |||||||||||||
1 May 1707 | |||||||||||||
1 January 1801 | |||||||||||||
5 December 1922 | |||||||||||||
1 January 1973 | |||||||||||||
Area | |||||||||||||
• Total | 242,495 km2 (93,628 sq mi) [3] ( 80th) | ||||||||||||
• Water (%) | 1.34 | ||||||||||||
Population | |||||||||||||
• 2014 estimate | 64,511,000 [4] ( 22nd) | ||||||||||||
• 2011 census | 63,181,775 [5] ( 22nd) | ||||||||||||
• Density | 255.6/km2 (662.0/sq mi) ( 51st) | ||||||||||||
GDP ( PPP) | 2014 estimate | ||||||||||||
• Total | $2.549 trillion ( 10th) | ||||||||||||
• Per capita | $39,510 [4] ( 28th) | ||||||||||||
GDP (nominal) | 2014 estimate | ||||||||||||
• Total | $2.945 trillion ( 5th) | ||||||||||||
• Per capita | $45,653 [4] ( 19th) | ||||||||||||
Gini (2012) | ![]() medium ( 33rd) | ||||||||||||
HDI (2013) | ![]() very high ( 14th) | ||||||||||||
Currency | Pound sterling (£) ( GBP) | ||||||||||||
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I am not able to edit the page but the introduction should better state the UK is a country to avoid confusion due to it also saying it is made up of four countries and starting the article only saying it is a sovereign state. A few days ago the second sentence said "the country includes" but it now just says "it". Why was that change needed? why can the article not say the uk is a country more clearly when England, Wales, Scotland articles say they are countries clearly. Red Reef ( talk) 17:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Interestingly, the UK frequently ranks top of the Soft Power 30 index: http://softpower30.portland-communications.com/ranking Would including this somewhere be useful in highlighting the UK's soft power position in the world? 80.193.25.91 ( talk) 22:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Two editors have taken the position that the accession to the EU is not a significant event in the constitutional history of the UK. Given that it involved considerable constitutional change I would take the position that it should remain there. What do other editors think? ---- Snowded TALK 10:54, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi Ghmyrtle. This edit here was reverted on the counts that it was incorrect grammar, and unnecessary in any case. The remaining grammatical errors were fixed by Absolutelypuremilk in here who also agrees with the edit. But again you said there's a grammatical error and that it's not supported by the texts [9] when it's actual history that Britain reached it's territorial apogee after WWI, when Britain was in decline. The sentence also serves to separate two facts, Britain's early imperial political apogee and Britain's later territorial apogee around the 1920's at the time Britain wasn't as powerful as it used to be. If there is a grammatical problem, I would like to fix it. But I don't think it's unnecessary to mention an important detail about the article and leave it out. Again, if there is anything I can do, don't hesitate to advise me. ( N0n3up ( talk) 17:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC))
User User:Wiki-Ed deliberately changes the wording without explanation. It was fine as it was. What is the reason for your revert. ( N0n3up ( talk) 22:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC))
I recommend that WP:BRD be applied to this current dispute. GoodDay ( talk) 23:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
In the edit by
User:Sabrebd just now, the largest-cities map in the "Demographics" section just disappeared. Was that intentional? Maybe the intention was just to move it from the left to the right. But it totally disappeared!
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The last but one sentence of the 'Economy' section reads,
'The UK has an external debt of $9.6 trillion dollars which is second highest in the world after the US which has an external debt of 18.5 trillion dollars.'
I know almost nothing about economics, but question if this $9.6 trillion dollar figure, and it being the second highest in the world after the US is correct?
Wikipedia's 'List of countries by external debt' page at,
/info/en/?search=List_of_countries_by_external_debt
gives the UK external debt figure as $1.5 trillion dollars, and puts the UK tenth after the US debt of $18.7 trillion, which sounds nearer to what I have heard of my countries indebtedness.
Many thanks.
Zebl3785 ( talk) 11:45, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello,
There has been reverts between several versions of the initial phrase of the Since 1945 section.
Granted, there were an obvious "Big Three" (US/UK/USSR) in WWII, leading a much larger alliance. It is also quite uncontroversial that China, and France, had to fight to see their status as a a great power, although the situations were much different. I am uneasy with the "Big Four" version because I don't think that there was an operational alliance called the "Big Four" that was active either before or after the end of the war. Granted, "Big Four" was an expression used in the press, sometimes including China, sometimes including France. In a nutshell, Roosevelt pushed for the inclusion of China in the club, which the Soviet Union, and somehow the UK, resisted, while Churchill pushed for the recognition of de Gaulle as the representative of France, something Roosevelt resisted, having recognized Vichy France and later supporting rival Giraud.
From what seems to be uncontroversial from Wikipedia articles covering the main events in this era :
Examples of the difficulty for China to be recognized by the Big Three as a great power are found, for instance, in the book V.K. Wellington Koo and the Emergence of Modern China by Stephen G. Craft, such as p. 171: "The Chinese delegates did not get a seat at the [Dumbarton Oaks] meetings held between the other three great powers because the Soviet Union refused to meet with the Chinese as they had when Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin met at Tehran a year earlier. [...] The Chinese felt angry over their treatment by other great powers. Before the Dumbarton Oaks Conference commenced, Churchill made another speech referring to only three great powers and stressing the need to elevate France to major power status." Page 199, specific to the situation in the fall of 1945: "From September to October 1945, the [five] powers gathered in London for the Foreign Ministers' Conference to deal with European questions. The whole notion of a council of the Foreign Ministers representing the Five Great Powers originated at the Potsdam Conference of July. [...] China and France participate[d] on an equal basis in drawing up peace treaties, though neither had a final vote or say on the finished product."
I am not sure that this is the place to discuss this in length, or that the main article for the United Kingdom should be the one where this situation has to be the most detailed. Therefore, I would personally be in favour of concision, and either formulations "UK among the Big Three" or "UK among the 5 permanent members..." would be perfectly fine with me. I think that the "Big Four" is anecdotal at best and does not deserve mention here. Let's read other opinions on the matter. Place Clichy ( talk) 20:35, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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"It is estimated that 95% of the UK's population are monolingual English speakers." "5.5% of the population are estimated to speak languages brought to the UK as a result of relatively recent immigration."
These sentences, from the same source, clearly contradict one another (if it's not obvious, 95% + 5.5% = 100.5%). They also contradict the truth, as those percentages do not account for the number of people speaking regional languages, as well as the millions who speak foreign languages other than those brought by immigration.
I'd argue that the 5.5% referred to in the source ("There are also large numbers of community languages, brought into the country and sustained by recent immigrant communities, which account for more than 5.5% of the population.") relates to immigrant communities as a percentage of the UK population, not the percentage who speak so-called "community languages". -- ThunderingTyphoons! ( talk) 15:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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One article from 20 years ago listing Hitchcock as the greatest director, one from 9 years ago as the best British director and one from 14 years ago as the most influential director (not at all the same thing) is impressive praise but it is stretching it to characterise it as "often (being) ranked the greatest and most influential filmmaker of all time". Each of these sources say somewhat different things, the current wording conflating two of them and misrepresenting another. If they said what the caption says, you might just about get away with calling three times, between 9 and 20 years as often but even that would be pushing it. Hence my more accurate wording "has been ranked by some the greatest or most influential filmmaker of all time", since reverted. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 23:34, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Wait a minute, why is this discussion's title "Hitchcock the biggest cheese in the cosmos"? ( N0n3up ( talk) 00:01, 16 April 2016 (UTC))
How much meter factor deviation acceptable between master meter and duty meter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.231.245.5 ( talk) 12:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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User:Rob984 rightly noted that previous revisons of the lead noted the
Irish Sea's 'border' with the UK while excluding other water bodies, such as the
Bristol Channel. I removed his term "Celtic Seas" because it's not a term I can find much usage of elsewhere - there's no article here on Wikipedia, for instance. Other sources, such as Encyclopedia Britannica, describe the Atlantic Ocean bordering the UK as such: "southwestern England, the northwestern coast of Northern Ireland, and western Scotland face the Atlantic Ocean." The
Celtic Sea article describes it as a part of the Atlantic Ocean, in addition our current revision of the lead describes the UK as being surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean, which would suggest it encompasses the Celtic Sea. You can see my own edits to the lead in the current revision; I've chosen to exclude the Celtic Sea because I think its already covered by noting the Atlantic Ocean. I do think it's important to detail the Irish Sea, without which we risk describing the geography of Great Britain only. Are other users in full agreement with the current text or are there any compelling reasons why the Celtic Sea be noted? If not I'm sure we can come up with an alternative wording here in the lead.
I'm raising this on the talk page because I want to be extra cautious in light of previous warnings I've received about 'edit warring'. -
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NebY ( talk) 20:01, 27 August 2014 (UTC)The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,[nb 6] commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain (/ˈbrɪ.tən/), is a sovereign state located off the north-western coast of continental Europe. The country includes the island of Great Britain (a term sometimes loosely applied to the whole state), the north-eastern part of the island of Ireland, and many smaller islands. Northern Ireland is the only part of the UK that shares a land border with another state: the Republic of Ireland.[nb 7] Apart from this land border, the UK is surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean, with the North Sea in the east, the English Channel in the south and the Irish Sea in the west.
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the english of the following sentence is odd, to correct it and clarify the meaning of the sentence. the sentence in question is [ London is one of the three "command centres" of the global economy (alongside New York City and Tokyo),[201] is the world's largest financial centre alongside New York,[202][203][204] and has the largest city GDP in Europe.] I would add an "it" after [201] and before is thus reading as follows [London is one of the three "command centres" of the global economy (alongside New York City and Tokyo),[201] it is the world's largest financial centre alongside New York,[202][203][204] and has the largest city GDP in Europe.] Andi Deane ( talk) 09:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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[1] (with bold-face added):"In 1997, following privatisation of the electricity industry there were fourteen Public Electricity Suppliers (PES) in UK which replaced the old area and Scottish electricity boards. Whilst the geographical areas of these former PESs remain unchanged the industry itself is somewhat different. Although distribution has been separated altogether from supply, the former PES areas are used as the basis of current day distribution areas."
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[2] (with bold-face added):"From 1989 onwards, the electricity distribution was privatized, see Timeline of the UK electricity supply industry, resulting in the creation of the fourteen Public electricity suppliers(PES) in UK which replaced the old area electricity boards(AEBs) in England and Wales and the Scottish electricity boards. The geographical area covered by these PESs remain unchanged, but the industry itself is somewhat different. Although distribution has been separated altogether from supply, the former PES areas are used as the basis of current day distribution areas.[270]. The retail supply of electricity to both domestic and commercial customers has also been privatised, with the market dominated by the Big Six Energy Suppliers (UK)."
In his edit comment, Nick has asked "please talk before revising" but
WP:COPYVIO requires immediate action, so rather than revise I now will simply revert. I note that the original version of
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[3] This does not mean that previously published text, even if written by the contributing editor, can be freely copied into Wikipedia - see
WP:DONATETEXT. It does mean that there is an apparent
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reliable source. (I should also note that impersonation is common enough on Wikipedia that it's normal to retain an open mind on whether a contributor really is who they claim to be, even though I see no reason to doubt it in this case.)
If I was revising this text, I would link to
Distribution network operator which describes the current situation and provides a brief history as well as a map and table, using
Ofgem's website as its main source.
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User:Flk-Brdrf the proposed date for Scottish independence (if the vote goes that way) is the 25 March 2016 so nothing will change for a while, no evidence that the name of the United Kingdom or the flag would need to change. As that is a least 18 months away then nothing is going to happen in the next few week other than a result of a ballot, nothing will change here for a while if at all so not much point in continuing this speculation, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 13:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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The UK is in Europe. This isn't clarified until the last sentence of the introduction. I propose:
“ | The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain /ˈbrɪ.tən/, is a sovereign state in Europe. Situated off the northwestern coast of the European mainland, the country includes the island of Great Britain (a term sometimes also loosely applied to the whole state), the northeastern part of the island of Ireland, and many smaller islands. | ” |
The specific location and composition of the state can be covered nicely in the second sentence.
I think the continent that the UK is part of is significant, and as it only requires three additional words, I struggle to see how it is '
unnecessary elaboration'.
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I've reverted the addition of this map because it's inaccurate in referring separately to (1) the "United Kingdom of Great Britain" and (2) Northern Ireland. There is no such term as the "United Kingdom of Great Britain". Great Britain comprises England, Scotland, and Wales (currently), but that is not the "United Kingdom". The correct term is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" - that is, it unites Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If the two need to be distinguished, just say "Great Britain" and "Northern Ireland". Or leave those names off entirely. And, without wishing to start a "my city is bigger/better than yours" argument, I think there is a stronger case for including Manchester than Leeds - though you could have both. But having said that, if those corrections are made, I think the map could be a useful addition. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 15:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Manchester is not replacing leeds due to it's close proximity to birmingham on the map, sorry, also the website states that logo has to stay there to be legally on this website.WikiImproves 18:29, 9 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiImprovment78 ( talk • contribs)
Why don't we use the location map and add labels using the template? Rob ( talk | contribs) 20:41, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do, and Ghmyrtle, I never removed Derry, why do you want me to? WikiImprovment78 ( talk) 19:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I've started adding labels, is this suitable? I don't want to add all the labels to then discover people want x, y and z changed. Don't worry too much about the accuracy of the pinpoints. They can be improved before it's added to the article, it just takes time.
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This section quotes the 2001 census statistics. Could anyone update it to the 2011 census please ? Pwimageglow ( talk) 10:51, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone know how we got back to a situation when the only two named universities are Oxford and Cambridge? It would be nice to represent changes since the fifteenth century.-- SabreBD ( talk) 17:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Two people, including myself, have tried but our additions and citations have been removed Hayek79 ( talk) 13:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Given that there is at present a section in the article about Crown Dependencies and overseas territories, I do not see why the map is inappropriate, especially when you consider that the UK is sovereign over British Overseas Territories. Hayek79 ( talk) 13:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
there has been a backlash against the "other stuff exists" type of rationales. Re edit-warring, as the policy document WP:EDITWAR points out,
The three-revert rule is a convenient limit for occasions when an edit war is happening fairly quickly, but it is not a definition of what "edit warring" means, and it is perfectly possible to edit war without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so,to which I'd add that it's much better to be warned in time than to cross the line and be blocked. NebY ( talk) 11:16, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Constitutionally the United Kingdom is a direct continuation of the Kingdom of England, I do not see why the formation of it (and the Kingdom of Scotland) should not be included. The act of union 1707 didn't create a new nation, as in the United States.
Now Rob984 says: "Why England? Why not Wessex? Or Great Britain and Ireland? Undue weight on two predecessors" - Great Britain is there, Act of Union 1707 incase you hadn't noticed. Ireland constitutionally isn't that important - as it was a English client state. You say why 'England' - it was the direct predecessor state.... it existed for a great deal longer than either United Kingdoms have thus far. Undue weight would be including Act of Union 1707 and Act of Union 1801, or us joining the EU, and not the formation of the countries that formed the union, your logic makes no sense - and certainly does not constitute a reasonable argument for reverting my edit.
If you want to add Wessex - add it. The French article for example, has the Kingdom of France and it's various predecessor states - despite each constitutionally differing to a far greater degree than England/UK. Alexsau1991 ( talk) 20:15, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
6th century, Hengist and Horsa, or even Ida...an established state? You're having a laugh! Aethelstan was the first king of all the English in the 10th c. Now, onto the constitution, of which there is no such thing in the UK, how could you describe the Court of Session or the General Assembly (still very evidently on the go) as Saxon institutions? Brendandh ( talk) 21:39, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
many centuriesof
being governed so stably. NebY ( talk) 22:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
The distinction of 'before and after' 1707 is offensively idiotic. The UK is comprised of four nations, Wales and Ireland are two of them. It is POV to actually privilege the union with Scotland over that of Wales and Ireland. And make no mistake, the 'before and after' 1707 section does precisely that. And for that reason, this article is currently absurd and ahistorical. Indeed, as it currently stands, the 'before 1707' section doesn't even mention the Acts of Union with Wales. Put simply, this article is laughable. 95.146.250.72 ( talk) 13:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Currently the article's info box lists several dates as the formation dates for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. These include the England Scotland Act of Union, the Britain Ireland Act of Union and the Anglo Irish Treaty. I added in the Government of Ireland Act because that is how Northern Ireland was established. This was deleted. See my edit: [8]. Shouldn't the establishment of Northern Ireland, one of the 3 UK jurisdictions be marked on the list of dates? Frenchmalawi ( talk) 00:26, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Gosh, how you can say it has nothing to do with formation! It "formed" NI. Without it, NI which is 1 of the 3 remainingf UK jurisdictions would not exist! You seem to have a doubt about about the truth of all this too. I suggest you read the Government of Ireland Act. For the exact date it was and thereby NI "formed", you can see it is referenced with the source on the NI page. Obviously, I would like it to be referenced on the UK page too but it isn't at present which is what this discussion was basically about, albeit it could be referenced elsewhere in the article but isn't. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 01:01, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The amendment of “The Principality of Wales was incorporated into the Kingdom of England in 1536.” to “ Wales was annexed by the Kingdom of England under the Acts of Union of 1536 and 1543.” in the Lead was reverted with the edit summary “Powys was annexed in the 13th century”, which is news to me. Following the defeat of Llywelyn ap Gruffudd, the Kingdom of Powys became one of the Marcher Lordships - until the Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542. To single out the Principality of Wales, which comprised only about 2/3 of Wales, as being incorporated into England is misleading. The Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542 state: “That his said Country or Dominion of Wales shall be, stand and continue for ever from henceforth incorporated, united and annexed to and with this his Realm of England” i.e. “ Wales was annexed by the Kingdom of England under the Acts of Union of 1536 and 1543”, whether or not any other parts of Wales were under English control before the Acts. I have re-instated the statement. Daicaregos ( talk) 08:55, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The sentence "In 1066, the Normans invaded England from France and after its conquest, seized large parts of Wales, conquered much of Ireland and were invited to settle in Scotland," seems to perptuate a common myth that the Norman's didn't conquer Scotland. It's true that King David invited many of his Norman followers to Scotland and parcelled out land to them. But David had been brought up as a Norman and was parachuted into his post as King of the Soots. The Scots had earlier been defeated by the Normans following the latter's invasion of Britain, and the then King of the Scots had sworn fealty to William thus making the Scots king a sub regulus or Low King owing allegiance to the Norman High King. David in turn seems to have remained loyal and content with that status until the accident of the civil war between Matilda and Stephen left him semi-independent and holding land which he would otherwise never have expected to hold outright. Cassandrathesceptic ( talk) 11:23, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Having just myself checked the recent edit by @MissionFix in the "Etymology and terminology" section, it does appear to be supported by the existing source which states "The earlier Act of Union, of 1707, states merely that England and Scotland shall 'be united into one kingdom by the name of Great Britain'.". Mutt Lunker ( talk) 18:21, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Why did they never put "Category:States and territories established in "<any year>"" for United Kingdom?
I do not know how long United Kingdom have been a country for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.244.200.26 ( talk) 08:24, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
When you type into Google "IS the UK a country," Google returns with this answer: "The United Kingdom is the 22nd-most populous country" which is a direct quote from this article. And yet other sources say the UK is not a country. This is very confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.89.130.10 ( talk) 03:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
The word country is synonymous with sovereign state in everyday speech so the UK is a country in this sense of the word. Tk420 ( talk) 13:05, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure where one could find this information, but I request that the ethnic groups portion of the demographics section be updated to the most recent data possible. Thank you.-- Jacksoncw ( talk) 18:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
It might have been a good idea to canvas opinion and help before going to a GA Review. Honestly this article cannot pass at the moment, if only due to the many unsourced statements currently in the text.-- SabreBD ( talk) 16:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
It is not particularly hard or onerous to fix citations to dead links if you have access to the Wayback Machine or are knowledgable enough about the topic to have other sources (including offline or subscription-only ones). In any case, just blindly removing content just because it does not have a working URL is frowned upon - a newspaper citation, for example, can still be verified by going to the British Library and searching through their newspaper archive - and that is absolutely fine. And FWIW I've been slowly going through Katie Hopkins fixing all the dead links and content that does't actually correlate with the source which per WP:BLP is rather important.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:40, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I have been through most of the "dead links" in this article and added archiveurls where possible and replaced a couple with new references which support the claims made. There is one outstanding one I can not fix. The claim "Agriculture is intensive, highly mechanised and efficient by European standards, producing about 60% of food needs with less than 1.6% of the labour force (535,000 workers)" is supported by a (badly formed) link to a DEFRA page which no longer exists and I'm unable to find a previous copy or anything else which supports this claim. Can anyone help?— Rod talk 13:22, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
I've now been going through the deadlinks identified by checklinks & not tagged. A couple more need help:
Any help with fix or identifying alternatives would be helpful.— Rod talk 16:39, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
A discussion about moving this article to Provisional Government of the Irish Free State was started. Very limited participation so far and more input would be appreciated. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 23:02, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't have time to read the whole article and contribute to the GA review, but I wanted to mention some issues with the ethnic groups section, since that's something I have some expertise on. Firstly, I'm not sure if starting the section with a table rather than text is a good idea presentationally. Second, most scholars of ethnicity don't recognise the "ethnic group" categories used in the British census as reflecting their understanding of what constitute ethnic groups. The census categories mix race and ethnicity. Perhaps this could briefly be noted? I've recently added some material on this to the Classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom article, which could be borrowed for this purpose. Then there's the issue that the labels in the table don't match those of the source. For example, "Gypsy/Traveller/Irish Traveller" in the source has become "White: Irish Traveller" in the table. Finally, the sentence "In 2011, 86% of the population identified themselves as White, meaning 12.9% of the UK population identify themselves as of mixed ethnic minority" doesn't match the figures in table. The word "meaning" is also misused, because the second part of the sentence isn't a consequence of the first. I don't know what "of mixed ethnic minority" means. I presume it should read "of an ethnic minority"? Cordless Larry ( talk) 16:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I have now started to deal with some of these issues. Help would be appreciated. Cordless Larry ( talk) 20:52, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
The ethnic groups section currently starts with a discussion of a few genetic studies. This (link to full study in the references, for those with access) was in the news today. I'm no expert on genetics (and given that ethnicity is at least partly subjective and social, not genetically determined, it's perhaps not relevant), but does this change what we should say in the article? Cordless Larry ( talk) 22:58, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
See Talk:Genetic history of the British Isles#Leslie, S. et al. Nature. It has been suggested that any changes to articles that this paper affects starts with Genetic history of the British Isles and that those changes if any are then reflected in other less detailed articles. -- PBS ( talk) 12:21, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Are UK page editors aware that the title page for the above former UK country has been changed from plain old "Southern Ireland" which it was for years. " Southern Ireland" is now a dab page as if that was needed. To properly reference this former UK country now, you will have to type "Southern Ireland (1921-1922)|Southern Ireland". Am I the only one who thinks this is nuts? I've re-opened the discussion on the Talk:Southern Ireland (1921–22) if editors wish to contribute. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 00:26, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Southern Ireland (1921-1922) should be moved back to "Southern Ireland" as it was for years. You can contribute to the discussion at Talk:Southern Ireland (1921–22). Frenchmalawi ( talk) 17:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
The very first claim in the article is inaccurate. The United Kingdom is not a sovereign state it is part of the European Union and the parliament of England can be overruled legally by the larger union. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_%28European_Union_law%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.131.31 ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 15 April 2015
Though England would certainly not be the right term for the UK, it still has been the most used name in the country's history. I think in the initial description a "sometimes only referred as England" should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weltarchiv ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
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2.216.36.119 ( talk) 15:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC) A separation required between Great and Britain currently as GreatBritain Top Right column
I missed out on the discussion where a consensus was apparently reached to include non-english versions of the UK's name, at the top of the infobox :( If they're going to remain, may I suggest they be made 'collapsable', so that the infobox isn't so elongated at the top & thus 'odd' looking? GoodDay ( talk) 14:47, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Can you plz add "Telugu" language to the section 7.2 as shown below Present Text:
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Under Politics, Government - the page still says that the PM "heads a coalition with the Liberal Democrats", however, since the 2015 election there is a new government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PepperMintTea1967 ( talk • contribs) 09:33, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
When people click on G7 and G8 in UK article ( like also in United States , France , Germany , Italy , Canada and Japan articles) it appears the same article that is G7 (forum).Clicking on G7 should appear not G7 (forum) because it has no sense but it should appear G7 (finance ministers).In this form article isn't correct otherwise and doesn't present UK in the correct form and with the right prestige.UK is member also of the G7 (finance ministers) and this must be corrected also in the article of the other 6 states i mentioned.Thanks. 151.40.78.43 ( talk) 06:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks.People must know that net national wealth on which is based the G7 finance ministers is more important than the G7 (former G8) based on policy (Russia that has a very small national wealth in fact wasn't in the finance G7).Finance ministers met always before the G8 (today G7 forum),in fact without money people can't set policy in the world.The G7 finance ministers rapresents around the 2/3 of the national net wealth in the world.Net national wealth is like the wealth of a family that can't be compared to the nominal GDP that is just the annual wage of a family.There's a lot of confusion about it,because GDP is widely overvalued in Wikipedia english compared to the more important net national wealth.This because many developing countries are using propaganda about GDP meaning that is easier to boost in the short starting from low positions and with high inflations.The prestige of the sates that are in the G7 finance ministers and governors must be respected in all their related articles.Thanks again for you work. 151.40.78.43 ( talk) 08:36, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
I would like to update the popualtion density figure in the second paragraph under Demographics section - it uses data from mid-2003 and mid-2014 data are available. Might also update sentence in first paragraph starting '2010 was the....'. I will update number of last sentence in paragraph three under migration. I will also update the percentage of people reading newspapers - latest data is only 2010 but this is better than 2009. Any problems with this please let me know, thanks Greensl7 ( talk) 09:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I have carried out the updates but in doing so seem to have affected reference 292 - even though I did not amend this reference. I amended ref 291, of which there were 2 and they were the same. So now there is only one but it has affected ref 292. Can anybody help? Thanks Greensl7 ( talk) 11:20, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that this article has been extensively re-written recently and erroneously at that. I would like to point out that this article cites Northern Ireland as a country. It isnt. Northern Ireland is an annexed province of the United Kingdom, a Monarchic Kingdom overseeing three separate countries; Wales, England and Scotland. To suggest that England is not a country in its own right is erroneous. Several other items *now* contained in this article are also highly questionable. I have noticed this article is now 'locked' for some reason. Unfortunately it has been locked with a host of inaccuracies attached to it. Please correct these. Britain is a Geographic Location. The Uk is a Monarchy with a central Government in London, England. England is a country. Wales is a country. Scotland is a country. North Ireland is an annexed territory. Please have your team look at this article which is now *very* inaccurate. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobGordon35 ( talk • contribs) 19:12, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
With such a broad article complex issues need to be summed up in one sentence. But the danger of that is that the oversimplification may distort a neutral summation of the issues:
-- PBS ( talk) 10:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I've reverted the addition of the UNOCHA map to the infobox - see right - because I think it's wrong and misleading. The error, I think, is in referring to the "United Kingdom of Great Britain"... and, separately, to "Northern Ireland". My understanding is that the "United Kingdom" is of "Great Britain and Northern Ireland". In my view, the map should not be included unless it is corrected (and, even then, I'm not convinced it's necessary). Ghmyrtle ( talk) 15:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
I added the image as it's informative. It shows many of the major cities of the UK as well as other neighbouring countries. With regards to Northern Ireland, I don't think it is misleading as it clearly states in the blue heading the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. SantiagoFrancoRamos ( talk) 20:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
This map looks better and the map showing cities in administrative divisions looks comparable to the ones made in the 1990s. I see the error in the labelling of the island and would be able to change it to Great Britain instead. SantiagoFrancoRamos ( talk) 20:37, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
The United Kingdom, like the United States, does not have an official language. It has only a national language. Notwithstanding English is the common language of the British government, certain actions must still performed in the Norman language in order for them to be official - as when the Queen gives rubber stamp approval to an act of Parliament with the words, "La Reine le Veult." She doesn't do that for fun; she does it because it's required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.162.218.153 ( talk • contribs) 17:08, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Official national language | English |
Official regional language | Welsh |
Recognised regional languages | Scots, Ulster Scots, Cornish, Scottish Gaelic, Irish |
National language | English |
Official languages | English, Welsh |
Recognised regional languages | Scots, Ulster Scots, Cornish, Scottish Gaelic, Irish |
Under Politics - Government it says that elections are called by the monarch, and are subject to the Parliament Acts. However this is no longer the case since the introduction of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. PepperMintTea1967 ( talk) 23:27, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
I think it's enough to leave just information of history there as this is far less controversial than rankings'. THE (comprising both global main and reputation league tables) doesn't represent all the major rankings we have ( ARWU, QS, US News). To me, it's a bit biased to just mention one of them. In dialogue with Biomedicinal 12:55, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I think Oxbridge has significance as they're the two oldest universities in English-speaking world. I personally don't prefer mentioning rankings, which can vary dramatically from publisher to publisher. If they're really required, we can add something like "UK has the second most tertiary institutions ranked among the top 100 on a number of league tables" which is pretty consistent in the ones I cited above. In dialogue with Biomedicinal 15:39, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I believe that the First Ministers of the devolved nations (Scotland, NI, and Wales) should be included in the infobox below Prime Minister.
See Infobox right:
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
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Anthem: "
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Capital and largest city |
London 51°30′N 0°7′W / 51.500°N 0.117°W | ||||||||||||
Official language and national language | English | ||||||||||||
Recognised regional languages [nb 3] | |||||||||||||
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Demonym(s) |
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Government | Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy | ||||||||||||
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Monarch | Elizabeth II | ||||||||||||
David Cameron | |||||||||||||
Nicola Sturgeon Arlene Foster Martin McGuinness Carwyn Jones | |||||||||||||
Legislature | Parliament | ||||||||||||
House of Lords | |||||||||||||
House of Commons | |||||||||||||
History | |||||||||||||
1 May 1707 | |||||||||||||
1 January 1801 | |||||||||||||
5 December 1922 | |||||||||||||
1 January 1973 | |||||||||||||
Area | |||||||||||||
• Total | 242,495 km2 (93,628 sq mi) [3] ( 80th) | ||||||||||||
• Water (%) | 1.34 | ||||||||||||
Population | |||||||||||||
• 2014 estimate | 64,511,000 [4] ( 22nd) | ||||||||||||
• 2011 census | 63,181,775 [5] ( 22nd) | ||||||||||||
• Density | 255.6/km2 (662.0/sq mi) ( 51st) | ||||||||||||
GDP ( PPP) | 2014 estimate | ||||||||||||
• Total | $2.549 trillion ( 10th) | ||||||||||||
• Per capita | $39,510 [4] ( 28th) | ||||||||||||
GDP (nominal) | 2014 estimate | ||||||||||||
• Total | $2.945 trillion ( 5th) | ||||||||||||
• Per capita | $45,653 [4] ( 19th) | ||||||||||||
Gini (2012) | ![]() medium ( 33rd) | ||||||||||||
HDI (2013) | ![]() very high ( 14th) | ||||||||||||
Currency | Pound sterling (£) ( GBP) | ||||||||||||
Time zone | UTC ( GMT) | ||||||||||||
• Summer (
DST) | UTC+1 ( BST) | ||||||||||||
Date format | dd/mm/yyyy ( AD) | ||||||||||||
Driving side | left | ||||||||||||
Calling code | +44 | ||||||||||||
ISO 3166 code | GB | ||||||||||||
Internet TLD | .uk |
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I am not able to edit the page but the introduction should better state the UK is a country to avoid confusion due to it also saying it is made up of four countries and starting the article only saying it is a sovereign state. A few days ago the second sentence said "the country includes" but it now just says "it". Why was that change needed? why can the article not say the uk is a country more clearly when England, Wales, Scotland articles say they are countries clearly. Red Reef ( talk) 17:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Interestingly, the UK frequently ranks top of the Soft Power 30 index: http://softpower30.portland-communications.com/ranking Would including this somewhere be useful in highlighting the UK's soft power position in the world? 80.193.25.91 ( talk) 22:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Two editors have taken the position that the accession to the EU is not a significant event in the constitutional history of the UK. Given that it involved considerable constitutional change I would take the position that it should remain there. What do other editors think? ---- Snowded TALK 10:54, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi Ghmyrtle. This edit here was reverted on the counts that it was incorrect grammar, and unnecessary in any case. The remaining grammatical errors were fixed by Absolutelypuremilk in here who also agrees with the edit. But again you said there's a grammatical error and that it's not supported by the texts [9] when it's actual history that Britain reached it's territorial apogee after WWI, when Britain was in decline. The sentence also serves to separate two facts, Britain's early imperial political apogee and Britain's later territorial apogee around the 1920's at the time Britain wasn't as powerful as it used to be. If there is a grammatical problem, I would like to fix it. But I don't think it's unnecessary to mention an important detail about the article and leave it out. Again, if there is anything I can do, don't hesitate to advise me. ( N0n3up ( talk) 17:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC))
User User:Wiki-Ed deliberately changes the wording without explanation. It was fine as it was. What is the reason for your revert. ( N0n3up ( talk) 22:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC))
I recommend that WP:BRD be applied to this current dispute. GoodDay ( talk) 23:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
In the edit by
User:Sabrebd just now, the largest-cities map in the "Demographics" section just disappeared. Was that intentional? Maybe the intention was just to move it from the left to the right. But it totally disappeared!
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The last but one sentence of the 'Economy' section reads,
'The UK has an external debt of $9.6 trillion dollars which is second highest in the world after the US which has an external debt of 18.5 trillion dollars.'
I know almost nothing about economics, but question if this $9.6 trillion dollar figure, and it being the second highest in the world after the US is correct?
Wikipedia's 'List of countries by external debt' page at,
/info/en/?search=List_of_countries_by_external_debt
gives the UK external debt figure as $1.5 trillion dollars, and puts the UK tenth after the US debt of $18.7 trillion, which sounds nearer to what I have heard of my countries indebtedness.
Many thanks.
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Hello,
There has been reverts between several versions of the initial phrase of the Since 1945 section.
Granted, there were an obvious "Big Three" (US/UK/USSR) in WWII, leading a much larger alliance. It is also quite uncontroversial that China, and France, had to fight to see their status as a a great power, although the situations were much different. I am uneasy with the "Big Four" version because I don't think that there was an operational alliance called the "Big Four" that was active either before or after the end of the war. Granted, "Big Four" was an expression used in the press, sometimes including China, sometimes including France. In a nutshell, Roosevelt pushed for the inclusion of China in the club, which the Soviet Union, and somehow the UK, resisted, while Churchill pushed for the recognition of de Gaulle as the representative of France, something Roosevelt resisted, having recognized Vichy France and later supporting rival Giraud.
From what seems to be uncontroversial from Wikipedia articles covering the main events in this era :
Examples of the difficulty for China to be recognized by the Big Three as a great power are found, for instance, in the book V.K. Wellington Koo and the Emergence of Modern China by Stephen G. Craft, such as p. 171: "The Chinese delegates did not get a seat at the [Dumbarton Oaks] meetings held between the other three great powers because the Soviet Union refused to meet with the Chinese as they had when Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin met at Tehran a year earlier. [...] The Chinese felt angry over their treatment by other great powers. Before the Dumbarton Oaks Conference commenced, Churchill made another speech referring to only three great powers and stressing the need to elevate France to major power status." Page 199, specific to the situation in the fall of 1945: "From September to October 1945, the [five] powers gathered in London for the Foreign Ministers' Conference to deal with European questions. The whole notion of a council of the Foreign Ministers representing the Five Great Powers originated at the Potsdam Conference of July. [...] China and France participate[d] on an equal basis in drawing up peace treaties, though neither had a final vote or say on the finished product."
I am not sure that this is the place to discuss this in length, or that the main article for the United Kingdom should be the one where this situation has to be the most detailed. Therefore, I would personally be in favour of concision, and either formulations "UK among the Big Three" or "UK among the 5 permanent members..." would be perfectly fine with me. I think that the "Big Four" is anecdotal at best and does not deserve mention here. Let's read other opinions on the matter. Place Clichy ( talk) 20:35, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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"It is estimated that 95% of the UK's population are monolingual English speakers." "5.5% of the population are estimated to speak languages brought to the UK as a result of relatively recent immigration."
These sentences, from the same source, clearly contradict one another (if it's not obvious, 95% + 5.5% = 100.5%). They also contradict the truth, as those percentages do not account for the number of people speaking regional languages, as well as the millions who speak foreign languages other than those brought by immigration.
I'd argue that the 5.5% referred to in the source ("There are also large numbers of community languages, brought into the country and sustained by recent immigrant communities, which account for more than 5.5% of the population.") relates to immigrant communities as a percentage of the UK population, not the percentage who speak so-called "community languages". -- ThunderingTyphoons! ( talk) 15:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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One article from 20 years ago listing Hitchcock as the greatest director, one from 9 years ago as the best British director and one from 14 years ago as the most influential director (not at all the same thing) is impressive praise but it is stretching it to characterise it as "often (being) ranked the greatest and most influential filmmaker of all time". Each of these sources say somewhat different things, the current wording conflating two of them and misrepresenting another. If they said what the caption says, you might just about get away with calling three times, between 9 and 20 years as often but even that would be pushing it. Hence my more accurate wording "has been ranked by some the greatest or most influential filmmaker of all time", since reverted. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 23:34, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Wait a minute, why is this discussion's title "Hitchcock the biggest cheese in the cosmos"? ( N0n3up ( talk) 00:01, 16 April 2016 (UTC))
How much meter factor deviation acceptable between master meter and duty meter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.231.245.5 ( talk) 12:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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