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Aivazovsky, I have the exact article from NY Times on May 25, 1920 in PDF format. Nowhere does it use the word "genocide", it says Armenian people have suffered "reported massacres and other atrocities", and that's the claim of Woodrow Wilson. So that's what should be in the article when you reference it. Also, added another reference to "Greater Armenia" objective from 1999 article by Graham Usher. And in future, you should leave comments for edits you make, per ArbCom decision. Atabek 06:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
The map shows Ganja and other regions as part of this absurd ideology and yet there is no mention of Ganja in the describtion. Why not, because there is nothing to claim their? This should be added in the article or I will add it.
Baku87, I'm not sure why you added a fact tag for the word used by the Dashnaks... it's the Dashnak used term of the word "Greater Armenia". - Fedayee 22:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
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The fact that some of these territories "suffered under the 'genocide'" is not particularly relevant, particularly because it's only some, not all. However central Armenians have taken to making the deaths of Armenian civilians following the violent terrorist acts and outright rebellion of the Armenians prior to and during WW1 in their psyche, the fact that the Armenian deaths (as well as the deaths of those Turks and other Muslims who died at Armenian hands) occurred on lands that some would have called Greater Armenia is not relevant to this article. Unless Greater Armenia is in some way defined by the terrorism, rebellion, and massacre of Muslims on the part of the Armenians, and the subsequent starvation and massacre of Armenians that followed that poorly thought out rebellion, there is no reason for this mention. (And, to be clear, it is in *no* way defined by these actions, and therefore there is no reason for this allusion.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.174.68.114 ( talk) 06:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
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if we considerated according to logic of armenians describing the organization created 2000 years before,by occupations of others lands of short duration as "Greater Armenia",at that time Azerbaijan turks would have much morerights to have big territory claims against Iran,Afghanistan,Pakistan,Iraq,Armenia,Georgia, and Russia like "Greater Azerbaijan"(3.3 mln.sks.)occupated during 1Shah Ismail sway.Also if we considerated according to logic of armenians Turkey turks would have territory claims to the 19 mln. sks. territory they had during Osmanli Empire,also modern Mongolia would have territory claims to all Chine,even to Vietnam,Mexico to USA's south states,France to African countries,and England to all India and to other countries —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pink pantera ( talk • contribs) 08:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC) |
why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.42.44 ( talk) 14:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC) Geography of Armenia ?-- 85.100.42.44 ( talk) 14:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Azeri and other Turkic peoples in Republic of Armenia
Why deleted?-- 85.100.42.44 ( talk) 14:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
For 3,000 years Greeks have occupied ALL the lands along the Black Sea. Whether they were Ionian colonies, Hellenic cities under Alexander, Roman provinces, Byzantine, or under Ottomon rule, they spoke Greek. Names like Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, etc. are GREEK. Unfortunately, Armenia's misguided political and guerilla efforts for a land grab brought about, not only their destruction, but that of many innocent Greeks living in Pontus as well. Others, like my Greek ancestors (great-grandparents and grandparents) suffered unspeakable hardships, losing everything they had, and treading along the earth from place to place to find a better life for themselves and their children. How many Greeks from Pontus were displaced? Look at Greece, America, Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Australia, and many other countries for their offspring. It's a sad story and it pisses me off that Armenians drew lines on a map and made claims like that. That would be like Mexico redrawing its borders and taking what belongs to California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas and saying that its rightfully theirs just because these state have Mexican populations. Its ridiculous. And its an act of war. Call it what you will, but the Ottomans were protecting their jurisdiction from armed guerillas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.55.97 ( talk) 18:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree totally not only in Northeast damn they even claimed the Eastern Provinces were kurds made the majority as historic armenia! Even Hakkari, Sirnak former known as Corduene. This was also the Reason why no one signed this radical and total nationalistic Map made by Armenians. It is true Armenians were present in high numbers but they only made in 3 small Regions the majority. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 04:16, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Some users tries to remove insistently the term Armenian nationalism from this article. Is the concept of "Greater Armenia" belong to Armenia or Armenian nationalists ? If this concept were of the government of Armenia or all Armenian people, users must provide sources. As long as I understand, this concept was not one of the diplomatic policies of the government of Armenia. I think that some users tries to show "Greater Armenia" as the concept of the government and all Armenian people. Unfortunately we must add {{systemic bias}} and {{Disputed}}. And there is edit war between some anonim users. All of them didn't user sources and edits only by their own POVs. Thank you. Takabeg ( talk) 22:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I think that the name of this article should be replaced by "United Armenia", because Greater Armenia is the name for historical Armenia and not this movement.-- Yerevanci ( talk) 02:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 23:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Greater Armenia (political concept) → United Armenia – I think that the name of this article should be replaced by "United Armenia", because Greater Armenia is the name for historical Armenia and not this political idea. Throughout history historical Armenia was known as Greater Armenia (Armenia Major in Latin) and just writing political goal in parenthesis isn’t right. Also, in Western political literature this was also called United, not Greater Armenia. In 1919, the Republic of Armenia proclaimed the Act of United Armenia. Yerevanci ( talk) 01:02, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
According to google books:
Takabeg ( talk) 02:31, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Here are the first 10 results of Greater Armenia:
I don't think you need more evidence. And here are the first 10 results of "United Armenia"
As you see top 10 results of "Greater Armenia" are about Armenia Major, and top 10 results of "United Armenia" are either about the union of Eastern (Russian) and Western (Ottoman) Armenias in the beginning of the 20th century, or about this political nationalistic goal. -- Yerevanci ( talk) 17:04, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
I think section "Sovietization" is not necessary. It's related with only a part of Greater Armenia ( Eastern Armenia), and Western Armenia was not sovietized. But Stalin's claim can be mentioned in this article. Thank you. Takabeg ( talk) 11:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Greater Armenia (political concept) → United Armenia - This article should be moved to "United Armenia", because Greater Armenia is the name for historical Armenia and not this nationalist idea. Throughout history historical Armenia was known as Greater Armenia (Armenia Major in Latin) and just writing political concept in parenthesis isn’t quite appropriate. Also, in Western political literature this was also called United, not Greater Armenia. By the way, in 1919, the Republic of Armenia proclaimed the Act of United Armenia.-- Yerevanci ( talk) 17:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, the actual Javakheti (by Georgians) includes only Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda districts. map
But when Armenians refer to the Javakhk region, it's commonly meant Akhalkalaki, Ninotsminda, Adigeni, Akhaltskhe and Tsalka, because those districts are where the Armenian population is concentrated, not only Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda as Georgians say. -- Yerevanci ( talk) 16:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. DrKiernan ( talk) 15:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Greater Armenia (political concept) → United Armenia – There are numerous reasons of this request:
Here are the two official ARF sources
ՀՅ Դաշնակցությունը նպատակադրում է. Ա. Ազատ, Անկախ եւ Միացյալ Հայաստանի կերտում: Միացյալ Հայաստանի սահմանների մեջ պիտի մտնեն Սեւրի դաշնագրով նախատեսված հայկական հողերը, ինչպես նաեւ` Արցախի, Ջավախքի եւ Նախիջեւանի երկրամասերը:
The goals of the AR Federation are: A. The creation of a Free, Independent and United Armenia. The United Armenia should include inside its borders the Armenian lands by the Sevres Treaty, as well as Artsakh, Javakhk and Nakhichevan provinces.
The boundaries of united Armenia must incorporate the territories awarded to Armenia by the Treaty of Sevres, as well as the regions of Nakhijevan, Javakhk, and Artsakh.
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help)Harutyunyan's source is NOT an ARF source, he could be wrong on this particular issue. Both ARF sources say "Javakhk" not "Samtskhe-Javakheti". Here are two non-Armenian sources that say that Javakhk is composed of Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda districts:
On the Javakheti side, these districts include the two Armenian-dominated districts of Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda (the former Bogdanovka).
The only exceptions are Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda, two districts that comprise a Javakheti region (part of the Samtskhe-Javakheti administrative province), where over 95 per cent of the population is ethnic Armenian.
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I did some copyediting; I hope you don't mind. Here's the review:
I'll put this on hold for a week to give you time to address these issues.
I want to add that you seem to do a really great job with the Armenia-related articles, especially considering the lengthiness of some of them. This article has been particularly interesting to read. -- 1ST7 ( talk) 22:10, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
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The usage of Greater Armenia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Kingdom of Armenia (antiquity) -- 70.24.244.51 ( talk) 07:51, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Doesn't this territory overlap significantly with Kurdistan in Turkey, especially in the Lake Van region? -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 04:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
This article is in a ridiculously bad state - it mixes real political and social events entirely unconnected to the subject of the article with an unrealizable fantasy concept by a political party that secretly knows how unrealisable it is and would rather forget it ever had the phantasy. Tiptoethrutheminefield ( talk) 17:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
A simple Google Books search reveals that the Karabakh War is seen as an attempt to unite what Armenians see as their historic lands. Try to keep the conversation civil. What you may consider insane and suicidal has nothing to do with the article. The Asbarez article cited in the lead [14] explicitly states "Artsakh, the guiding light of Armenian victories and the first stage of a United Armenia". Another source states [15] "Since 1988, Nagorno-Karabakh (called 'Artsakh' by the Armenians), became the symbolic centre of the imagined, lost and regained Erkir. The old romantic idea of both an independent and united Armenia revived with Nagorno-Karabakh." See the sources I added (and will add) support this claim. -- Երևանցի talk 11:30, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
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I was curious about this, and therefore thought I should ask it here. Is there any specific reason as for why Northwestern Iran isn't claimed in this concept? Even though notably a part of the region is part of historical Armenia, Armenians being native to the region, and some areas having had an Armenian majority prior to the Genocide? Iranica f.e. confirms that the ARF (the most dominant Armenian party regarding these matters) has never put any claims on it; Throughout this century it has led the struggle for an independent Armenian state comprised of Armenian territory from the former Soviet Union and Turkey, but it has never asserted claims to the small portion of historical Armenia that is under Persian rule.. If anyone could shed some light on this, that would be really appreciated. Bests and thanks in advance - LouisAragon ( talk) 16:29, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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From this source "Conservative estimates have calculated that some 600,000 to more than 1,000,000 Armenians were slaughtered or died on the marches." This is used to justify a low range estimate of 600,000 for the Armenian Genocide. However the source is talking of just the marches, and the Genocide had deaths other than the marches. Hence it is not appropriate to use 600,00 as a low range estimate for the Genocide, when it is only a low range estimate of the marches of the Genocide, excluding other sources of deaths such as the burning and drownings of Armenians Maidyouneed ( talk) 14:05, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Do Armenian nationalists also claim the lands that belonged to or were supposed to belong to the Georgian Democratic Republic that are now Turkish? I'm saying this due to the map used in the lead. Super Ψ Dro 22:54, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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Aivazovsky, I have the exact article from NY Times on May 25, 1920 in PDF format. Nowhere does it use the word "genocide", it says Armenian people have suffered "reported massacres and other atrocities", and that's the claim of Woodrow Wilson. So that's what should be in the article when you reference it. Also, added another reference to "Greater Armenia" objective from 1999 article by Graham Usher. And in future, you should leave comments for edits you make, per ArbCom decision. Atabek 06:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
The map shows Ganja and other regions as part of this absurd ideology and yet there is no mention of Ganja in the describtion. Why not, because there is nothing to claim their? This should be added in the article or I will add it.
Baku87, I'm not sure why you added a fact tag for the word used by the Dashnaks... it's the Dashnak used term of the word "Greater Armenia". - Fedayee 22:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
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The fact that some of these territories "suffered under the 'genocide'" is not particularly relevant, particularly because it's only some, not all. However central Armenians have taken to making the deaths of Armenian civilians following the violent terrorist acts and outright rebellion of the Armenians prior to and during WW1 in their psyche, the fact that the Armenian deaths (as well as the deaths of those Turks and other Muslims who died at Armenian hands) occurred on lands that some would have called Greater Armenia is not relevant to this article. Unless Greater Armenia is in some way defined by the terrorism, rebellion, and massacre of Muslims on the part of the Armenians, and the subsequent starvation and massacre of Armenians that followed that poorly thought out rebellion, there is no reason for this mention. (And, to be clear, it is in *no* way defined by these actions, and therefore there is no reason for this allusion.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.174.68.114 ( talk) 06:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
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if we considerated according to logic of armenians describing the organization created 2000 years before,by occupations of others lands of short duration as "Greater Armenia",at that time Azerbaijan turks would have much morerights to have big territory claims against Iran,Afghanistan,Pakistan,Iraq,Armenia,Georgia, and Russia like "Greater Azerbaijan"(3.3 mln.sks.)occupated during 1Shah Ismail sway.Also if we considerated according to logic of armenians Turkey turks would have territory claims to the 19 mln. sks. territory they had during Osmanli Empire,also modern Mongolia would have territory claims to all Chine,even to Vietnam,Mexico to USA's south states,France to African countries,and England to all India and to other countries —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pink pantera ( talk • contribs) 08:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC) |
why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.42.44 ( talk) 14:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC) Geography of Armenia ?-- 85.100.42.44 ( talk) 14:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Azeri and other Turkic peoples in Republic of Armenia
Why deleted?-- 85.100.42.44 ( talk) 14:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
For 3,000 years Greeks have occupied ALL the lands along the Black Sea. Whether they were Ionian colonies, Hellenic cities under Alexander, Roman provinces, Byzantine, or under Ottomon rule, they spoke Greek. Names like Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, etc. are GREEK. Unfortunately, Armenia's misguided political and guerilla efforts for a land grab brought about, not only their destruction, but that of many innocent Greeks living in Pontus as well. Others, like my Greek ancestors (great-grandparents and grandparents) suffered unspeakable hardships, losing everything they had, and treading along the earth from place to place to find a better life for themselves and their children. How many Greeks from Pontus were displaced? Look at Greece, America, Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Australia, and many other countries for their offspring. It's a sad story and it pisses me off that Armenians drew lines on a map and made claims like that. That would be like Mexico redrawing its borders and taking what belongs to California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas and saying that its rightfully theirs just because these state have Mexican populations. Its ridiculous. And its an act of war. Call it what you will, but the Ottomans were protecting their jurisdiction from armed guerillas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.55.97 ( talk) 18:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree totally not only in Northeast damn they even claimed the Eastern Provinces were kurds made the majority as historic armenia! Even Hakkari, Sirnak former known as Corduene. This was also the Reason why no one signed this radical and total nationalistic Map made by Armenians. It is true Armenians were present in high numbers but they only made in 3 small Regions the majority. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 04:16, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Some users tries to remove insistently the term Armenian nationalism from this article. Is the concept of "Greater Armenia" belong to Armenia or Armenian nationalists ? If this concept were of the government of Armenia or all Armenian people, users must provide sources. As long as I understand, this concept was not one of the diplomatic policies of the government of Armenia. I think that some users tries to show "Greater Armenia" as the concept of the government and all Armenian people. Unfortunately we must add {{systemic bias}} and {{Disputed}}. And there is edit war between some anonim users. All of them didn't user sources and edits only by their own POVs. Thank you. Takabeg ( talk) 22:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I think that the name of this article should be replaced by "United Armenia", because Greater Armenia is the name for historical Armenia and not this movement.-- Yerevanci ( talk) 02:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 23:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Greater Armenia (political concept) → United Armenia – I think that the name of this article should be replaced by "United Armenia", because Greater Armenia is the name for historical Armenia and not this political idea. Throughout history historical Armenia was known as Greater Armenia (Armenia Major in Latin) and just writing political goal in parenthesis isn’t right. Also, in Western political literature this was also called United, not Greater Armenia. In 1919, the Republic of Armenia proclaimed the Act of United Armenia. Yerevanci ( talk) 01:02, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
According to google books:
Takabeg ( talk) 02:31, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Here are the first 10 results of Greater Armenia:
I don't think you need more evidence. And here are the first 10 results of "United Armenia"
As you see top 10 results of "Greater Armenia" are about Armenia Major, and top 10 results of "United Armenia" are either about the union of Eastern (Russian) and Western (Ottoman) Armenias in the beginning of the 20th century, or about this political nationalistic goal. -- Yerevanci ( talk) 17:04, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
I think section "Sovietization" is not necessary. It's related with only a part of Greater Armenia ( Eastern Armenia), and Western Armenia was not sovietized. But Stalin's claim can be mentioned in this article. Thank you. Takabeg ( talk) 11:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Greater Armenia (political concept) → United Armenia - This article should be moved to "United Armenia", because Greater Armenia is the name for historical Armenia and not this nationalist idea. Throughout history historical Armenia was known as Greater Armenia (Armenia Major in Latin) and just writing political concept in parenthesis isn’t quite appropriate. Also, in Western political literature this was also called United, not Greater Armenia. By the way, in 1919, the Republic of Armenia proclaimed the Act of United Armenia.-- Yerevanci ( talk) 17:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, the actual Javakheti (by Georgians) includes only Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda districts. map
But when Armenians refer to the Javakhk region, it's commonly meant Akhalkalaki, Ninotsminda, Adigeni, Akhaltskhe and Tsalka, because those districts are where the Armenian population is concentrated, not only Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda as Georgians say. -- Yerevanci ( talk) 16:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. DrKiernan ( talk) 15:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Greater Armenia (political concept) → United Armenia – There are numerous reasons of this request:
Here are the two official ARF sources
ՀՅ Դաշնակցությունը նպատակադրում է. Ա. Ազատ, Անկախ եւ Միացյալ Հայաստանի կերտում: Միացյալ Հայաստանի սահմանների մեջ պիտի մտնեն Սեւրի դաշնագրով նախատեսված հայկական հողերը, ինչպես նաեւ` Արցախի, Ջավախքի եւ Նախիջեւանի երկրամասերը:
The goals of the AR Federation are: A. The creation of a Free, Independent and United Armenia. The United Armenia should include inside its borders the Armenian lands by the Sevres Treaty, as well as Artsakh, Javakhk and Nakhichevan provinces.
The boundaries of united Armenia must incorporate the territories awarded to Armenia by the Treaty of Sevres, as well as the regions of Nakhijevan, Javakhk, and Artsakh.
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help)Harutyunyan's source is NOT an ARF source, he could be wrong on this particular issue. Both ARF sources say "Javakhk" not "Samtskhe-Javakheti". Here are two non-Armenian sources that say that Javakhk is composed of Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda districts:
On the Javakheti side, these districts include the two Armenian-dominated districts of Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda (the former Bogdanovka).
The only exceptions are Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda, two districts that comprise a Javakheti region (part of the Samtskhe-Javakheti administrative province), where over 95 per cent of the population is ethnic Armenian.
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help)Because this article is mostly about the ARF claim, we should go with the official sources, not Harutyunyan's. As you can see above it is, indeed, widely accepted that Javakhk/Javakheti is made up of Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda districts. -- Երևանցի talk 17:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
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I'll review this nomination. Initial comments will be posted soon. -- 1ST7 ( talk) 20:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
I did some copyediting; I hope you don't mind. Here's the review:
I'll put this on hold for a week to give you time to address these issues.
I want to add that you seem to do a really great job with the Armenia-related articles, especially considering the lengthiness of some of them. This article has been particularly interesting to read. -- 1ST7 ( talk) 22:10, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 1ST7 ( talk • contribs) 20:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
The usage of Greater Armenia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Kingdom of Armenia (antiquity) -- 70.24.244.51 ( talk) 07:51, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Doesn't this territory overlap significantly with Kurdistan in Turkey, especially in the Lake Van region? -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 04:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
This article is in a ridiculously bad state - it mixes real political and social events entirely unconnected to the subject of the article with an unrealizable fantasy concept by a political party that secretly knows how unrealisable it is and would rather forget it ever had the phantasy. Tiptoethrutheminefield ( talk) 17:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
A simple Google Books search reveals that the Karabakh War is seen as an attempt to unite what Armenians see as their historic lands. Try to keep the conversation civil. What you may consider insane and suicidal has nothing to do with the article. The Asbarez article cited in the lead [14] explicitly states "Artsakh, the guiding light of Armenian victories and the first stage of a United Armenia". Another source states [15] "Since 1988, Nagorno-Karabakh (called 'Artsakh' by the Armenians), became the symbolic centre of the imagined, lost and regained Erkir. The old romantic idea of both an independent and united Armenia revived with Nagorno-Karabakh." See the sources I added (and will add) support this claim. -- Երևանցի talk 11:30, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
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I was curious about this, and therefore thought I should ask it here. Is there any specific reason as for why Northwestern Iran isn't claimed in this concept? Even though notably a part of the region is part of historical Armenia, Armenians being native to the region, and some areas having had an Armenian majority prior to the Genocide? Iranica f.e. confirms that the ARF (the most dominant Armenian party regarding these matters) has never put any claims on it; Throughout this century it has led the struggle for an independent Armenian state comprised of Armenian territory from the former Soviet Union and Turkey, but it has never asserted claims to the small portion of historical Armenia that is under Persian rule.. If anyone could shed some light on this, that would be really appreciated. Bests and thanks in advance - LouisAragon ( talk) 16:29, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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From this source "Conservative estimates have calculated that some 600,000 to more than 1,000,000 Armenians were slaughtered or died on the marches." This is used to justify a low range estimate of 600,000 for the Armenian Genocide. However the source is talking of just the marches, and the Genocide had deaths other than the marches. Hence it is not appropriate to use 600,00 as a low range estimate for the Genocide, when it is only a low range estimate of the marches of the Genocide, excluding other sources of deaths such as the burning and drownings of Armenians Maidyouneed ( talk) 14:05, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Do Armenian nationalists also claim the lands that belonged to or were supposed to belong to the Georgian Democratic Republic that are now Turkish? I'm saying this due to the map used in the lead. Super Ψ Dro 22:54, 12 June 2021 (UTC)