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It should be noted that this article is sourced solely to WP:SPS & affiliated sources. This means that notability has not been established. It also means that the article is in violation of WP:SELFPUB: "the article is not based primarily on such sources." Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 05:43, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I would note that we currently have:
This does not add up to "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", so does not establish WP:Notability. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 01:17, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the notability tag. An 80 year old seminary that grants the Ph.D. in Theology [1] every year to graduating ministers who move directly to pulpits in churches and missions is WP:N. Period. I.Casaubon ( talk) 14:18, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Both WP:GNG & WP:ORG require "significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources" (or similar wording).
For the avoidance of doubt:
Also:
Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 05:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the point of spamming the article with still more sources of doubtful independence and reliability? It does not add to notability, and is in violation of WP:V#Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves: "the article is not based primarily on such sources." Also I.Casaubon, could you please learn good reference-formatting practice -- your references, both here and on Jonathan Stephen are an utter shambles. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 16:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Material to expand this article can be found in:
In improving this article, it will be important to include the many sources that use the institutions older names, including Evangelical Theological College of Wales. But note that even the quite new name Wales Evangelical School of Theology gets 70,000 google hits [3] I.Casaubon ( talk) 15:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I removed the slf-published source tags placed by User:Hrafn because the tagged material does not meet this definition. [4] this article, [5] written by an employee of the School, was published in an independent magazine Evangelical Times and the book (Taught to Serve: History of Barry and Bryntirion Colleges, Noel Gibbard, Bryntirion Press (1996)) was published by a press affiliated with the School, which is not the same as self-publishing. I.Casaubon ( talk) 18:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
GET A FRACKING CLUE!
Now have a WP:TROUT & learn to (i) read tags before removing them & (ii) how to add citations correctly -- go to WP:CITET if you need help. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 04:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
StAnselm:
Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 08:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
How was the credibility of the Banner of Truth verified? This appears to be a fairly small, radically sectarian, publication (therefore likely a WP:QS) -- and the author of the piece is the its publisher's co-founder (raising questions over editorial oversight). How does it meet WP:RS? Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 09:21, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I have added a short comment alluding to this, which is comprehensively documented in the article in question [6]. Cpsoper ( talk) 11:18, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
I have similarly added reference to an article documenting concerns about the NT Senior Lecturer's position on the authorship of Scripture from a well read and established evangelical journal, with 2 supporting references from the lecturer's written works. If a response appears it may be appropriate to allude to it here too. Cpsoper ( talk) 20:58, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has removed referenced data, this has been reverted. Cpsoper ( talk) 20:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
The IP address is linked to WEST [7]. Cpsoper ( talk) 20:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Precisely the same removal has taken place without explanation by an anonymous editor with an ISP in Amersfoort, The Netherlands. Cpsoper ([[User talk:Cpsoper|talk]]) 15:11, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
More vandalism - 27/12/14 - same area, same source. Cpsoper ( talk) 16:53, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I note the editor who removed the criticism section may have some interest in the institution [9]. Cpsoper ( talk) 21:28, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
The quotes in the text are from the lecturer's own cited words, so it's difficult to see how the term 'alleged' is justified. It would be helpful to provide a citation for the investigation. Cpsoper ( talk) 23:05, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I am concerned the NPOV tag has been added without discussion here, without any indication of the issue and with a difficult history of multiple excisions of sourced material without a reason being given. If anything discussion here focused previously on the uncritical advocacy of the page for the institution. I think the tag should be removed unless it can be properly aired and its issues discussed. Removing well sourced criticisms is not NPOV, it may well be the opposite. Cpsoper ( talk) 09:50, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
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It should be noted that this article is sourced solely to WP:SPS & affiliated sources. This means that notability has not been established. It also means that the article is in violation of WP:SELFPUB: "the article is not based primarily on such sources." Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 05:43, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I would note that we currently have:
This does not add up to "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", so does not establish WP:Notability. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 01:17, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the notability tag. An 80 year old seminary that grants the Ph.D. in Theology [1] every year to graduating ministers who move directly to pulpits in churches and missions is WP:N. Period. I.Casaubon ( talk) 14:18, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Both WP:GNG & WP:ORG require "significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources" (or similar wording).
For the avoidance of doubt:
Also:
Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 05:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the point of spamming the article with still more sources of doubtful independence and reliability? It does not add to notability, and is in violation of WP:V#Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves: "the article is not based primarily on such sources." Also I.Casaubon, could you please learn good reference-formatting practice -- your references, both here and on Jonathan Stephen are an utter shambles. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 16:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Material to expand this article can be found in:
In improving this article, it will be important to include the many sources that use the institutions older names, including Evangelical Theological College of Wales. But note that even the quite new name Wales Evangelical School of Theology gets 70,000 google hits [3] I.Casaubon ( talk) 15:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I removed the slf-published source tags placed by User:Hrafn because the tagged material does not meet this definition. [4] this article, [5] written by an employee of the School, was published in an independent magazine Evangelical Times and the book (Taught to Serve: History of Barry and Bryntirion Colleges, Noel Gibbard, Bryntirion Press (1996)) was published by a press affiliated with the School, which is not the same as self-publishing. I.Casaubon ( talk) 18:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
GET A FRACKING CLUE!
Now have a WP:TROUT & learn to (i) read tags before removing them & (ii) how to add citations correctly -- go to WP:CITET if you need help. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 04:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
StAnselm:
Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 08:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
How was the credibility of the Banner of Truth verified? This appears to be a fairly small, radically sectarian, publication (therefore likely a WP:QS) -- and the author of the piece is the its publisher's co-founder (raising questions over editorial oversight). How does it meet WP:RS? Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 09:21, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I have added a short comment alluding to this, which is comprehensively documented in the article in question [6]. Cpsoper ( talk) 11:18, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
I have similarly added reference to an article documenting concerns about the NT Senior Lecturer's position on the authorship of Scripture from a well read and established evangelical journal, with 2 supporting references from the lecturer's written works. If a response appears it may be appropriate to allude to it here too. Cpsoper ( talk) 20:58, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has removed referenced data, this has been reverted. Cpsoper ( talk) 20:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
The IP address is linked to WEST [7]. Cpsoper ( talk) 20:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Precisely the same removal has taken place without explanation by an anonymous editor with an ISP in Amersfoort, The Netherlands. Cpsoper ([[User talk:Cpsoper|talk]]) 15:11, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
More vandalism - 27/12/14 - same area, same source. Cpsoper ( talk) 16:53, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I note the editor who removed the criticism section may have some interest in the institution [9]. Cpsoper ( talk) 21:28, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
The quotes in the text are from the lecturer's own cited words, so it's difficult to see how the term 'alleged' is justified. It would be helpful to provide a citation for the investigation. Cpsoper ( talk) 23:05, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I am concerned the NPOV tag has been added without discussion here, without any indication of the issue and with a difficult history of multiple excisions of sourced material without a reason being given. If anything discussion here focused previously on the uncritical advocacy of the page for the institution. I think the tag should be removed unless it can be properly aired and its issues discussed. Removing well sourced criticisms is not NPOV, it may well be the opposite. Cpsoper ( talk) 09:50, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
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