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Does anyone know the exact circumstances of UP's "reacquisition" of Big Boy 4014? Was it a simple purchase? Or maybe UP donated other surplus equipment in trade? Elsquared ( talk) 08:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Content relocated this date from Union Pacific Big Boy page. Anything not redundant here may be integrated at this page:
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Union Pacific 4014 is currently in Union Pacific's Steam Shop in Cheyenne, Wyoming, awaiting extensive restoration work which is intended to return the engine to operational status.
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Hmm; this can't be right: "With the completion of the restoration, No. 4014 became the world's largest operational steam locomotive, displacing Union Pacific No. 3985, which was the largest operational steam locomotive in the world from 1981 to 2010." If No. 3985 lost its claim in 2010, then some other locomotive must have taken it — and therefore No. 4014 didn't displace 3985 but that other locomotive. Do we know what it was? PRRfan ( talk) 16:59, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, with the restoration of Union Pacific 4014 finally finished, this page is starting to become a mess, and a cleanup tahh jas finally been applied. This is the biggest problem, as read from the tag: Reads like fan page; Not the News; Introduction of trivia; non reliable refs.
All non-reliable references should be replaced with newer ones as soon as possibe. Trivia should be taken away, but I think trip descriptions should be kept. This also needs to be rewritten somehow as this is NOT a fan page. Don't ask me about the meaning of Not the News because that has really thrown me off: either it means that this is being written like the news, or the references are not from the news.
Also, if anyone can, PLEASE get pictures of 4014 under steam. Some dude tried to cheat his way into doing this by taking a screenshot of a YouTube video and uploading it onto Wikimedia Commons. I have since tagged it for deletion. The more pictures we have of the locomotive under steam, the better the quality on Commons will be. This would also be an opportunity to have a picture of the locomotive under steam to replace the current picture in the info box, which shows the locomotive on display.
Please edit accordingly, and TAKE YOUR OWN PICS! Unless the file on Flickr or elsewhere is freely licensed (I didn't spot any yet), do not trick Commons into thinking that a pic is yours when it is not because it will get deleted. A few YouTube videos that are freely licensed have already been uploaded, but I am still looking for pictures.
Thank you all.
-- Davidng913 ( talk) 21:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Bold edit: there's nothing in this article's Design section that's unique to No. 4014, and it's all covered at Union Pacific Big Boy. I've moved the text here in case anyone wants to argue for its partial or full restoration:
The Big Boy class was developed by Union Pacific (UP) and the American Locomotive Company (ALCO) to handle the 1.14% eastbound ruling grade of the Wasatch Range.[6] UP determined that its goals for the new class could be achieved by making several changes to the existing 4-6-6-4 Challenger design: enlarging the firebox to about 235 by 96 inches (5.97 m × 2.44 m) (about 155 sq ft or 14.4 m2), lengthening the boiler, adding four driving wheels, and reducing the diameter of the driving wheels from 69 to 68 in (1,753 to 1,727 mm).
The Big Boy was articulated like the Mallet locomotive design, although without compounding. It was designed for stability at 80 miles per hour (130 km/h), allowing for a wide margin of reliability and safety, as steam locomotives normally operated well below that speed in freight service. Peak horsepower was reached around 35 mph (56 km/h); optimal tractive effort was reached around 10 mph (16 km/h). It is longer than two city buses and weighs more than a Boeing 747.
PRRfan ( talk) 20:35, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
I feel like the section should stay. Even though it is mostly covered in the Big Boy page, it’s still a good a idea for readers on this page to also know about the design. Davidng913 ( talk) 14:36, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
This might be considered trivia, but here's a RS article: https://journalstar.com/news/local/union-pacific-big-boy-locomotive-songs-success-surprises-lincoln-creator/article_aa2d1871-49a5-5ac4-8b67-3eadb73ec6c4.html (August 18, 2021) Mapsax ( talk) 00:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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The infobox says power output of 7000 HP "at cylinder", which is a meaningless statement. Is this intended to be cylinder horsepower, which is a calculated value based on the cylinder dimensions, valve dimensions, and boiler pressure? Or indicated horsepower, which is a value obtained by measuring the pressures in the cylinder during the stroke? Either way, 7000 sounds too low - the Big Boy recorded 6290 drawbar horsepower with a dynomometer car, which would correspond to around 7500 indicated horsepower and a tad more cylinder horsepower. In general cylinder horsepower (and boiler horsepower) are only relevant to locomotive designers; in the steam era horsepower was almost always given as indicated or drawbar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:589:300:C7C0:99AF:B68:B4A6:4D79 ( talk) 23:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
"In April 2024, plans have been announced for No. 4014's first of two tours in 2024. The first tour will take place during the summer with stops in Roseville, California on July 12 and 13; Ogden, Utah on July 20 and 21, with No. 4014 scheduled to leave Cheyenne on June 30. The second tour is being planned for the fall with stops in the states of Texas, Arkansas, Kansas, and Illinois, among others. It has also been reported that siding improvements are being made in the state of Idaho, which should increase the chance of No. 4014 operating another tour in the Pacific Northwest, likely in Boise, Idaho and Portland, Oregon, sometime next year in 2025."
This is all well and good for an announcement board or 4014 fan site, but I think it's getting a bit ahead of its skis for an encyclopedia. What do others think? PRRfan ( talk) 16:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
PRRfan ( talk) 17:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)In April 2024, plans have been announced for No. 4014's first of two tours in 2024. [1] The first tour will take place during the summer with stops in Roseville, California on July 12 and 13; Ogden, Utah on July 20 and 21, with No. 4014 scheduled to leave Cheyenne on June 30. [1] The second tour is being planned for the fall with stops in the states of Texas, Arkansas, Kansas, and Illinois, among others. [1] It has also been reported that siding improvements are being made in the state of Idaho, which should increase the chance of No. 4014 operating another tour in the Pacific Northwest, likely in Boise, Idaho and Portland, Oregon, sometime next year in 2025. [1]
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Does anyone know the exact circumstances of UP's "reacquisition" of Big Boy 4014? Was it a simple purchase? Or maybe UP donated other surplus equipment in trade? Elsquared ( talk) 08:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Content relocated this date from Union Pacific Big Boy page. Anything not redundant here may be integrated at this page:
Wikiuser100 ( talk) 21:25, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
References
Elliott
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Trains13 ( talk) 22:05, 03 May 2019 (UTC)
Union Pacific 4014 is currently in Union Pacific's Steam Shop in Cheyenne, Wyoming, awaiting extensive restoration work which is intended to return the engine to operational status.
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Union Pacific 4014. Please take a moment to review
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 11:51, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Hmm; this can't be right: "With the completion of the restoration, No. 4014 became the world's largest operational steam locomotive, displacing Union Pacific No. 3985, which was the largest operational steam locomotive in the world from 1981 to 2010." If No. 3985 lost its claim in 2010, then some other locomotive must have taken it — and therefore No. 4014 didn't displace 3985 but that other locomotive. Do we know what it was? PRRfan ( talk) 16:59, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, with the restoration of Union Pacific 4014 finally finished, this page is starting to become a mess, and a cleanup tahh jas finally been applied. This is the biggest problem, as read from the tag: Reads like fan page; Not the News; Introduction of trivia; non reliable refs.
All non-reliable references should be replaced with newer ones as soon as possibe. Trivia should be taken away, but I think trip descriptions should be kept. This also needs to be rewritten somehow as this is NOT a fan page. Don't ask me about the meaning of Not the News because that has really thrown me off: either it means that this is being written like the news, or the references are not from the news.
Also, if anyone can, PLEASE get pictures of 4014 under steam. Some dude tried to cheat his way into doing this by taking a screenshot of a YouTube video and uploading it onto Wikimedia Commons. I have since tagged it for deletion. The more pictures we have of the locomotive under steam, the better the quality on Commons will be. This would also be an opportunity to have a picture of the locomotive under steam to replace the current picture in the info box, which shows the locomotive on display.
Please edit accordingly, and TAKE YOUR OWN PICS! Unless the file on Flickr or elsewhere is freely licensed (I didn't spot any yet), do not trick Commons into thinking that a pic is yours when it is not because it will get deleted. A few YouTube videos that are freely licensed have already been uploaded, but I am still looking for pictures.
Thank you all.
-- Davidng913 ( talk) 21:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Bold edit: there's nothing in this article's Design section that's unique to No. 4014, and it's all covered at Union Pacific Big Boy. I've moved the text here in case anyone wants to argue for its partial or full restoration:
The Big Boy class was developed by Union Pacific (UP) and the American Locomotive Company (ALCO) to handle the 1.14% eastbound ruling grade of the Wasatch Range.[6] UP determined that its goals for the new class could be achieved by making several changes to the existing 4-6-6-4 Challenger design: enlarging the firebox to about 235 by 96 inches (5.97 m × 2.44 m) (about 155 sq ft or 14.4 m2), lengthening the boiler, adding four driving wheels, and reducing the diameter of the driving wheels from 69 to 68 in (1,753 to 1,727 mm).
The Big Boy was articulated like the Mallet locomotive design, although without compounding. It was designed for stability at 80 miles per hour (130 km/h), allowing for a wide margin of reliability and safety, as steam locomotives normally operated well below that speed in freight service. Peak horsepower was reached around 35 mph (56 km/h); optimal tractive effort was reached around 10 mph (16 km/h). It is longer than two city buses and weighs more than a Boeing 747.
PRRfan ( talk) 20:35, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
I feel like the section should stay. Even though it is mostly covered in the Big Boy page, it’s still a good a idea for readers on this page to also know about the design. Davidng913 ( talk) 14:36, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
This might be considered trivia, but here's a RS article: https://journalstar.com/news/local/union-pacific-big-boy-locomotive-songs-success-surprises-lincoln-creator/article_aa2d1871-49a5-5ac4-8b67-3eadb73ec6c4.html (August 18, 2021) Mapsax ( talk) 00:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Trains13. 7-day hold to tidy up some things. Ping me when done.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
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Earwig turns up mostly organizational names and formulations like "RailGiants Train Museum in Pomona, California". No issues.
Nine references were chosen for spot checks. No issues were found.
The result was: promoted by
Bruxton (
talk) 02:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Created by Trains13 ( talk). Self-nominated at 02:39, 17 November 2022 (UTC).
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Onegreatjoke (
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The infobox says power output of 7000 HP "at cylinder", which is a meaningless statement. Is this intended to be cylinder horsepower, which is a calculated value based on the cylinder dimensions, valve dimensions, and boiler pressure? Or indicated horsepower, which is a value obtained by measuring the pressures in the cylinder during the stroke? Either way, 7000 sounds too low - the Big Boy recorded 6290 drawbar horsepower with a dynomometer car, which would correspond to around 7500 indicated horsepower and a tad more cylinder horsepower. In general cylinder horsepower (and boiler horsepower) are only relevant to locomotive designers; in the steam era horsepower was almost always given as indicated or drawbar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:589:300:C7C0:99AF:B68:B4A6:4D79 ( talk) 23:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
"In April 2024, plans have been announced for No. 4014's first of two tours in 2024. The first tour will take place during the summer with stops in Roseville, California on July 12 and 13; Ogden, Utah on July 20 and 21, with No. 4014 scheduled to leave Cheyenne on June 30. The second tour is being planned for the fall with stops in the states of Texas, Arkansas, Kansas, and Illinois, among others. It has also been reported that siding improvements are being made in the state of Idaho, which should increase the chance of No. 4014 operating another tour in the Pacific Northwest, likely in Boise, Idaho and Portland, Oregon, sometime next year in 2025."
This is all well and good for an announcement board or 4014 fan site, but I think it's getting a bit ahead of its skis for an encyclopedia. What do others think? PRRfan ( talk) 16:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
PRRfan ( talk) 17:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)In April 2024, plans have been announced for No. 4014's first of two tours in 2024. [1] The first tour will take place during the summer with stops in Roseville, California on July 12 and 13; Ogden, Utah on July 20 and 21, with No. 4014 scheduled to leave Cheyenne on June 30. [1] The second tour is being planned for the fall with stops in the states of Texas, Arkansas, Kansas, and Illinois, among others. [1] It has also been reported that siding improvements are being made in the state of Idaho, which should increase the chance of No. 4014 operating another tour in the Pacific Northwest, likely in Boise, Idaho and Portland, Oregon, sometime next year in 2025. [1]