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Actually MANY BELOW THE M&D Line
The article states it is the only Union monument south of the Mason-Dixon line not in a cemetery. What about the Connecticut Memorial at Grant's Canal in Delta, Louisiana? [1] Yes, it is on Vicksburg National Military Park land, but is nowhere near Vicksburg National Cemetery. — Eoghanacht talk 15:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
And since the Mason Dixon line only goes as far east as the end of Pennsylvania, it is not really south of it. And if you "extend" the line west then much of Ohio is below it and I am sure there are some monuments to Union dead there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjm4474 ( talk • contribs) 16:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
And since Maryland is totally south of the Mason Dixon line, (by definition) the article falsely claims there are no monuments to Union soldiers in Maryland -- which is patently false:
http://monumentcity.org/2009/04/14/union-soldiers-sailors-monument-baltimore-md/
Also, the Antietam National Battlefield, South Mountain Battlefield, and in various towns and cities in Maryland, as well as Washington DC, for goodness sake: For instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheridan_Circle General Sheridan was a Union soldier in the US Civil War. There is a statue of him in Sheridan Circle in Washington DC, Washington DC is south of the M/D Line.
Can someone define "public subscription"? It does not have a Wikipedia page. Who organized the collection? This whole things seems made up by someone looking to differentiate some little town in Kentucky. -PJM4474 —Preceding
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I deleted the sentence. The claim about the Mason-Dixon line is obviously false and is not supported by the cited authority, which says: "It is one of the few Union monuments in the state, and may be the only Union monument south of the Mason-Dixon line paid for by public subscription and erected in a public place other than a cemetery." (I'm also dubious of the "may be" claim, which comes from a marketing company and cites no support.) The deletion also removed the claim that this is the eastern-most Union monument in Kentucky, which might be true but is not supported by the cited source. John M Baker ( talk) 19:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)The new source is definitely better, but there are still some questions. West of the actual survey line, what does it mean to be "south of the Mason-Dixon Line"? Viewed one way, anything south of about 39°43' fits the bill; this would include about half of Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois, most of Missouri, Kansas, etc. Specifying that it's the only public subscription monument that is not located in a cemetary makes it difficult to disprove, but so far I have found this monument at the courthouse at Clay Center, Kansas, which, at about 39°22', is south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Also, it's worth noting that The Kentucky Encyclopedia merely says, "Located on the courthouse lawn is one of the few Civil War monuments to the Union cause in Kentucky. The monument, built by public subscription, is dedicated to the memory of the 107 Lewis County soldiers who died for the Union." This suggests that even if the statement from the historical society were true, that it may be pretty trivial; if you define a category narrowly enough (public subscription monuments outside cemetaries south of the Mason-Dixon Line dedicated to Union soldiers) you can eventually guarantee an "only" example, but it's not really meaningful. cmadler ( talk) 13:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
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Actually MANY BELOW THE M&D Line
The article states it is the only Union monument south of the Mason-Dixon line not in a cemetery. What about the Connecticut Memorial at Grant's Canal in Delta, Louisiana? [1] Yes, it is on Vicksburg National Military Park land, but is nowhere near Vicksburg National Cemetery. — Eoghanacht talk 15:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
And since the Mason Dixon line only goes as far east as the end of Pennsylvania, it is not really south of it. And if you "extend" the line west then much of Ohio is below it and I am sure there are some monuments to Union dead there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjm4474 ( talk • contribs) 16:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
And since Maryland is totally south of the Mason Dixon line, (by definition) the article falsely claims there are no monuments to Union soldiers in Maryland -- which is patently false:
http://monumentcity.org/2009/04/14/union-soldiers-sailors-monument-baltimore-md/
Also, the Antietam National Battlefield, South Mountain Battlefield, and in various towns and cities in Maryland, as well as Washington DC, for goodness sake: For instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheridan_Circle General Sheridan was a Union soldier in the US Civil War. There is a statue of him in Sheridan Circle in Washington DC, Washington DC is south of the M/D Line.
Can someone define "public subscription"? It does not have a Wikipedia page. Who organized the collection? This whole things seems made up by someone looking to differentiate some little town in Kentucky. -PJM4474 —Preceding
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Pjm4474 (
talk •
contribs)
16:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the sentence. The claim about the Mason-Dixon line is obviously false and is not supported by the cited authority, which says: "It is one of the few Union monuments in the state, and may be the only Union monument south of the Mason-Dixon line paid for by public subscription and erected in a public place other than a cemetery." (I'm also dubious of the "may be" claim, which comes from a marketing company and cites no support.) The deletion also removed the claim that this is the eastern-most Union monument in Kentucky, which might be true but is not supported by the cited source. John M Baker ( talk) 19:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)The new source is definitely better, but there are still some questions. West of the actual survey line, what does it mean to be "south of the Mason-Dixon Line"? Viewed one way, anything south of about 39°43' fits the bill; this would include about half of Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois, most of Missouri, Kansas, etc. Specifying that it's the only public subscription monument that is not located in a cemetary makes it difficult to disprove, but so far I have found this monument at the courthouse at Clay Center, Kansas, which, at about 39°22', is south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Also, it's worth noting that The Kentucky Encyclopedia merely says, "Located on the courthouse lawn is one of the few Civil War monuments to the Union cause in Kentucky. The monument, built by public subscription, is dedicated to the memory of the 107 Lewis County soldiers who died for the Union." This suggests that even if the statement from the historical society were true, that it may be pretty trivial; if you define a category narrowly enough (public subscription monuments outside cemetaries south of the Mason-Dixon Line dedicated to Union soldiers) you can eventually guarantee an "only" example, but it's not really meaningful. cmadler ( talk) 13:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)