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I just spent an hour doing work on this artcile. I don't know how to add references. I would be thankful if someone added them, I don't eant this article to be delete. Since I wrote this article myself, does it still need references? Y2J The Evil Twin ( talk) 11:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
What's a disambiguity? Y2J The Evil Twin ( talk) 12:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
WWE will eventually ununifie the tag titles because neither of them have been deactivated. Y2J The Evil Twin ( talk) 13:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
When I put up loads of information it was deleted. Now it's up again and it hasn't been deleted. I don't think that's very fair, for me to do all that work and it gets deleted, and someone to just copy my work and it doesn't get deleted. Y2J The Evil Twin ( talk) 10:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Seriously, it would help instead of having to pick what championship list page to use. Keep the World Tag Team and WWE Tag Team pages incase someone wants to check past champions, but make a list page for Unified Tag Team. A Common Man ( talk) 16:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree with A Common Man. It makes sense to have the page, but since it's so small, it could just be a sub-section of the "Reigns" section on this page. JDC808 ( talk) 23:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think we need a seperate list, but a section on the reigns so far in this article should be fine.-- Will C 02:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I have to ask why is there's a page for this-- Dcheagle ( talk) 05:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah the deletion discussion is Keep as a disambigulation page.-- The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 16:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I updated the section on the new championship belts being presented to the Hart Dynasty. However, I noticed something that someone had written stating that the titles are not longer unifed since they are being referred to just as the WWE Tag Team Championship. There is no evidence that supports the titles have been split, rather, it appears to be just a name change to go along with the new belts. Personally, I liked the unified name, but knowing WWE it's to long for their liking or something like that. Anyways, there is no evidence that another set of tag belts is going to be revived, and as of now, no evidence exists to say that the belts have been split. If people remember, when the WCW and WWF titles were unified, they were represented by two belts for a short time, then represented by one belt that was still referred to as the WWE Undisputed championship. It only returned to being the WWE Championship when the World Heavyweight Championship was commissioned by Eric Bischoff. After the commission of the WHC, it was disputed, hence the dropping of the WWE Undisputed Championship name. So for the time being, even though the name has changed, that doesn't mean that the belts are no longer unified.
Drunknesmonsta ( talk) 01:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
This page should not exist. This isn't a "New" Championship. It's a continuation of the original WWWF/WWF/World Tag Team Championship from 1971-present. If you go to WWE.com and look at their Title history section today, the Tag Team Title link goes directly to the World Tag Team Title history, not the SmackDown Tag Team Title history. Once the belts were unified, the SmackDown belts for all intents and purposes were discontinued. Just like when the WWF Title & WCW Title were merged in 2001. For all intents and purposes, the WCW Title was discontinued. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.62.21 ( talk) 15:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I thought I should point out that SmackDown!'s Tag Team title's links are now dead on WWE.com. It appears that WWE has retired that particular title and is indeed continuing on with the Raw World Tag Team Championship title history. They have made it so the SmackDown! version of the tag belts do not exist and I also move to have this page deleted as well. Vermon CaTaffy 8 ( talk) 06:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Its still there I just checked SmackDown! version history is still there so this page is still needed and any way even if that was the case this page would still be needed.-- Steam Iron 07:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
The difference being Jeff, WWE have renamed the title and updated the photo image of the title belts, under the "WWE Tag Team championship" name. Clearly WWE do NOT view this as a "new" championship, clearly it is simply a continuation of their Tag Team championship, thus this page should really be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.180.199 ( talk) 18:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I think there's a good argument that the page should be deleted. As far as we know, and yes, it's original research I suppose, but these are just a continuation of the Unified Tag Titles, albeit under a different name and design. Steam, what you said in regards to WWE clearing up the situation is well put, but as we have seen in the past, they are not very consistent in the representation of some of their titles. The ECW Championship is the most recent and glaring example. I do believe we should wait and see if WWE acknowledges the situation, but I believe we'll just be holding our breaths. It's unfortunate though, that even though wrestling is scripted, the titles don't seem to mean nearly as much as they should. Things like this should be explained by the promotion that makes the changes, rather than just let the history of the titles in question be disputed. The titles should be the centerpiece of the promotion, bar none. I digress though, as of now we don't know WWE's official policy so only time will tell. Drunknesmonsta ( talk) 04:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to think it's going to be as simple as that Steam, but it just seems that title lineage is the least of WWE's concerns. The current announce team barely puts any emphasis on the history of the championships, which is important, especially when trying to establish why wrestlers are vying for these titles. But as we both stated, we'll just have to wait and see. 24.61.175.249 ( talk) 06:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't unified mean combined or something? They put the European championship with the Intercontinental championship and made the Euro title retired its history shut, while now every one says that the Intercontinental championshion is also the European champion, the South American Champion, Australian champion... The European championship history isn't moving, but the Intercontinental is still moving (The same when it was unified with the Unites States championship). So just like the Intercontinental championship didn't start a new history with the European championship unification (or Hardcore and United States in that matter) so didn't the tag team championships (The re-name doesn't mean antything if even on they're website the lineage continues).-- Justakija ( talk) 18:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
The WWE Championship page on wikipedia includes everything about the WWE Championship prior to being unified with the WCW Championship as well as everything after the unification. The World Tag Team Championship should list everything up to the point these titles were unified, the WWE Tag Team Championship should include everything up to the unification, during the unification, and everything after the belts became one. Also, everyone who won the unified titles should be only granted one title reign. Every wrestler who held the undisputed world title was not granted with two world title reigns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.41.200 ( talk) 02:27, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
This should clear everything up. I'm going to start from now and backtrack all the way to 2002 before there were two sets of tag team championships. On the August 16th, 2010 RAW, Michael Cole stated that this WWE Tag Team Championship is the RENAMED Unified WWE Tag Team Championship. The Hart Dynasty were presented with new WWE Tag Team Championships, as in the actual new belts, NOT new championships in the sense of a new lineage. The physical belts were retired, in the same sense of when Triple H was awarded the new Undisputed WWF Championship by then Co-Owner of the WWF Ric Flair, and the physical WWF Championship and the WCW World Heavyweight Championships were retired. During the time that the titles were referred as the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, BOTH the World and WWE Tag Team Championship section of WWE.com was updated to reflect the change. [1] [2] Note that D-Generation X, the team of Shawn Michaels and Triple H, were NEVER WWE Tag Team Champions while the title was un-unified, yet they are included. [3]. Now when the European Championship was unified with the Intercontinental Championship, the smaller title was retired. [4] But the World and WWE Tag Team Championships are considered equals to one another, so neither title was retired, hence both list were updated.
This WWE Tag Team Championship is a continuation of the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, which was a continuation of the World and WWE Tag Team Championship, so it inherits all of their lineage. 24.184.216.113 ( talk) 08:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Ehhh close but no cigar... Allow me to explain this better
With unification matches, the result of the match can spawn two different outcomes. One outcome results in one of the championships being decommissioned with the champion choosing to hold a single championship (...as was the case with the WCW U.S. and WWE IC unification match at Survivor Series 2001, where Edge chose the IC championship.) The second outcome results in the champion choosing to hold both championships (...as was the case with the WCW Cruiserweight and WWF Lightheavyweight unification match on July 30, 2001, where Xpac continued to defend the two titles both simultaneously and separately.)
Now with The Hart Dynasty and the situation with Unified Tag Team Championships or WWE Tag Team Championship, it is unfortunately still too early to tell which of the two outcomes listed above will take place. As both title histories on WWE.com still list The Hart Dynasty as current champions for both the World Tag Team and WWE Tag Team Championhip without making use of the words "Final Champions" on either page, there is no evidence pointing towards either of the two possible outcomes. It is too early to tell which of the two championships will be decommissioned or whether both titles will continue to be active. It is for that reason that nothing has been done about the WWE Tag Team Championships on the subject's related articles.-- Unquestionable Truth-- 06:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
It just seems like a better name, since this article includes pre-2010 reigns. -- Scorpion 0422 23:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
can u at least put up a picture of the new belts, the old belts shuldnt be pictured anymore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.186.180.94 ( talk) 04:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
First off: if something should be noted, note it. Second, the WWE.com title histories include both the World Tag and WWE Tag Championships in the listing for those of the NEW championship. Thus the what "should be noted" is not even entirely accurate by the very sources being used. If there are any further issues with my change, I would suggest discussiong it here rather than continuing to war over it. -- TRTX T / C 04:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
[1] Skip to approx 12 Minutes in. Striker describes the WWE Tag Team Championship (2010 - Present) as the unified WWE and World Tag Team Championship, and Todd Grisham describes the Hart Dynasty as having the belts for 5 months since defeating ShowMiz. This allows the Tag Team Championship to be backtracked successfully like I mentioned in my original section "This is definitely NOT a new championship". This WWE Tag Team Championship is a continuation of the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, which was a continuation of the World and WWE Tag Team Championship, so it inherits all of their lineage. (Different IP address because I moved on September 1st) 24.188.240.74 ( talk) 08:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEQb1oTQqU&list=SL
Does this change the situation or is it still too early? Vermon CaTaffy 8 ( talk) 03:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
This page should be deleted immediately. It has no usage anymore. Vermon CaTaffy 8 ( talk) 03:51, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
We will also need to update the WWE Tag Team Championship history accordingly because nobody has edited it since the new belts were unveiled. Vermon CaTaffy 8 ( talk) 04:12, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah its best to merge the topics but in the history be sure to explain that the currently used 2002 WWE tag titles Tag Team titles can trace lineage and are the sucessors to the World Tag Team titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.78.164 ( talk) 23:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
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I just spent an hour doing work on this artcile. I don't know how to add references. I would be thankful if someone added them, I don't eant this article to be delete. Since I wrote this article myself, does it still need references? Y2J The Evil Twin ( talk) 11:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
What's a disambiguity? Y2J The Evil Twin ( talk) 12:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
WWE will eventually ununifie the tag titles because neither of them have been deactivated. Y2J The Evil Twin ( talk) 13:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
When I put up loads of information it was deleted. Now it's up again and it hasn't been deleted. I don't think that's very fair, for me to do all that work and it gets deleted, and someone to just copy my work and it doesn't get deleted. Y2J The Evil Twin ( talk) 10:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Seriously, it would help instead of having to pick what championship list page to use. Keep the World Tag Team and WWE Tag Team pages incase someone wants to check past champions, but make a list page for Unified Tag Team. A Common Man ( talk) 16:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree with A Common Man. It makes sense to have the page, but since it's so small, it could just be a sub-section of the "Reigns" section on this page. JDC808 ( talk) 23:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think we need a seperate list, but a section on the reigns so far in this article should be fine.-- Will C 02:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I have to ask why is there's a page for this-- Dcheagle ( talk) 05:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah the deletion discussion is Keep as a disambigulation page.-- The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 16:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I updated the section on the new championship belts being presented to the Hart Dynasty. However, I noticed something that someone had written stating that the titles are not longer unifed since they are being referred to just as the WWE Tag Team Championship. There is no evidence that supports the titles have been split, rather, it appears to be just a name change to go along with the new belts. Personally, I liked the unified name, but knowing WWE it's to long for their liking or something like that. Anyways, there is no evidence that another set of tag belts is going to be revived, and as of now, no evidence exists to say that the belts have been split. If people remember, when the WCW and WWF titles were unified, they were represented by two belts for a short time, then represented by one belt that was still referred to as the WWE Undisputed championship. It only returned to being the WWE Championship when the World Heavyweight Championship was commissioned by Eric Bischoff. After the commission of the WHC, it was disputed, hence the dropping of the WWE Undisputed Championship name. So for the time being, even though the name has changed, that doesn't mean that the belts are no longer unified.
Drunknesmonsta ( talk) 01:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
This page should not exist. This isn't a "New" Championship. It's a continuation of the original WWWF/WWF/World Tag Team Championship from 1971-present. If you go to WWE.com and look at their Title history section today, the Tag Team Title link goes directly to the World Tag Team Title history, not the SmackDown Tag Team Title history. Once the belts were unified, the SmackDown belts for all intents and purposes were discontinued. Just like when the WWF Title & WCW Title were merged in 2001. For all intents and purposes, the WCW Title was discontinued. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.62.21 ( talk) 15:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I thought I should point out that SmackDown!'s Tag Team title's links are now dead on WWE.com. It appears that WWE has retired that particular title and is indeed continuing on with the Raw World Tag Team Championship title history. They have made it so the SmackDown! version of the tag belts do not exist and I also move to have this page deleted as well. Vermon CaTaffy 8 ( talk) 06:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Its still there I just checked SmackDown! version history is still there so this page is still needed and any way even if that was the case this page would still be needed.-- Steam Iron 07:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
The difference being Jeff, WWE have renamed the title and updated the photo image of the title belts, under the "WWE Tag Team championship" name. Clearly WWE do NOT view this as a "new" championship, clearly it is simply a continuation of their Tag Team championship, thus this page should really be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.180.199 ( talk) 18:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I think there's a good argument that the page should be deleted. As far as we know, and yes, it's original research I suppose, but these are just a continuation of the Unified Tag Titles, albeit under a different name and design. Steam, what you said in regards to WWE clearing up the situation is well put, but as we have seen in the past, they are not very consistent in the representation of some of their titles. The ECW Championship is the most recent and glaring example. I do believe we should wait and see if WWE acknowledges the situation, but I believe we'll just be holding our breaths. It's unfortunate though, that even though wrestling is scripted, the titles don't seem to mean nearly as much as they should. Things like this should be explained by the promotion that makes the changes, rather than just let the history of the titles in question be disputed. The titles should be the centerpiece of the promotion, bar none. I digress though, as of now we don't know WWE's official policy so only time will tell. Drunknesmonsta ( talk) 04:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to think it's going to be as simple as that Steam, but it just seems that title lineage is the least of WWE's concerns. The current announce team barely puts any emphasis on the history of the championships, which is important, especially when trying to establish why wrestlers are vying for these titles. But as we both stated, we'll just have to wait and see. 24.61.175.249 ( talk) 06:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't unified mean combined or something? They put the European championship with the Intercontinental championship and made the Euro title retired its history shut, while now every one says that the Intercontinental championshion is also the European champion, the South American Champion, Australian champion... The European championship history isn't moving, but the Intercontinental is still moving (The same when it was unified with the Unites States championship). So just like the Intercontinental championship didn't start a new history with the European championship unification (or Hardcore and United States in that matter) so didn't the tag team championships (The re-name doesn't mean antything if even on they're website the lineage continues).-- Justakija ( talk) 18:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
The WWE Championship page on wikipedia includes everything about the WWE Championship prior to being unified with the WCW Championship as well as everything after the unification. The World Tag Team Championship should list everything up to the point these titles were unified, the WWE Tag Team Championship should include everything up to the unification, during the unification, and everything after the belts became one. Also, everyone who won the unified titles should be only granted one title reign. Every wrestler who held the undisputed world title was not granted with two world title reigns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.41.200 ( talk) 02:27, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
This should clear everything up. I'm going to start from now and backtrack all the way to 2002 before there were two sets of tag team championships. On the August 16th, 2010 RAW, Michael Cole stated that this WWE Tag Team Championship is the RENAMED Unified WWE Tag Team Championship. The Hart Dynasty were presented with new WWE Tag Team Championships, as in the actual new belts, NOT new championships in the sense of a new lineage. The physical belts were retired, in the same sense of when Triple H was awarded the new Undisputed WWF Championship by then Co-Owner of the WWF Ric Flair, and the physical WWF Championship and the WCW World Heavyweight Championships were retired. During the time that the titles were referred as the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, BOTH the World and WWE Tag Team Championship section of WWE.com was updated to reflect the change. [1] [2] Note that D-Generation X, the team of Shawn Michaels and Triple H, were NEVER WWE Tag Team Champions while the title was un-unified, yet they are included. [3]. Now when the European Championship was unified with the Intercontinental Championship, the smaller title was retired. [4] But the World and WWE Tag Team Championships are considered equals to one another, so neither title was retired, hence both list were updated.
This WWE Tag Team Championship is a continuation of the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, which was a continuation of the World and WWE Tag Team Championship, so it inherits all of their lineage. 24.184.216.113 ( talk) 08:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Ehhh close but no cigar... Allow me to explain this better
With unification matches, the result of the match can spawn two different outcomes. One outcome results in one of the championships being decommissioned with the champion choosing to hold a single championship (...as was the case with the WCW U.S. and WWE IC unification match at Survivor Series 2001, where Edge chose the IC championship.) The second outcome results in the champion choosing to hold both championships (...as was the case with the WCW Cruiserweight and WWF Lightheavyweight unification match on July 30, 2001, where Xpac continued to defend the two titles both simultaneously and separately.)
Now with The Hart Dynasty and the situation with Unified Tag Team Championships or WWE Tag Team Championship, it is unfortunately still too early to tell which of the two outcomes listed above will take place. As both title histories on WWE.com still list The Hart Dynasty as current champions for both the World Tag Team and WWE Tag Team Championhip without making use of the words "Final Champions" on either page, there is no evidence pointing towards either of the two possible outcomes. It is too early to tell which of the two championships will be decommissioned or whether both titles will continue to be active. It is for that reason that nothing has been done about the WWE Tag Team Championships on the subject's related articles.-- Unquestionable Truth-- 06:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
It just seems like a better name, since this article includes pre-2010 reigns. -- Scorpion 0422 23:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
can u at least put up a picture of the new belts, the old belts shuldnt be pictured anymore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.186.180.94 ( talk) 04:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
First off: if something should be noted, note it. Second, the WWE.com title histories include both the World Tag and WWE Tag Championships in the listing for those of the NEW championship. Thus the what "should be noted" is not even entirely accurate by the very sources being used. If there are any further issues with my change, I would suggest discussiong it here rather than continuing to war over it. -- TRTX T / C 04:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
[1] Skip to approx 12 Minutes in. Striker describes the WWE Tag Team Championship (2010 - Present) as the unified WWE and World Tag Team Championship, and Todd Grisham describes the Hart Dynasty as having the belts for 5 months since defeating ShowMiz. This allows the Tag Team Championship to be backtracked successfully like I mentioned in my original section "This is definitely NOT a new championship". This WWE Tag Team Championship is a continuation of the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, which was a continuation of the World and WWE Tag Team Championship, so it inherits all of their lineage. (Different IP address because I moved on September 1st) 24.188.240.74 ( talk) 08:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEQb1oTQqU&list=SL
Does this change the situation or is it still too early? Vermon CaTaffy 8 ( talk) 03:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
This page should be deleted immediately. It has no usage anymore. Vermon CaTaffy 8 ( talk) 03:51, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
We will also need to update the WWE Tag Team Championship history accordingly because nobody has edited it since the new belts were unveiled. Vermon CaTaffy 8 ( talk) 04:12, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah its best to merge the topics but in the history be sure to explain that the currently used 2002 WWE tag titles Tag Team titles can trace lineage and are the sucessors to the World Tag Team titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.78.164 ( talk) 23:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)