I checked the Lexicon and also my UK version of Chapter 9. It's implied, but not stated (the fact that Rowle is writhing on the floor strongly suggests this, though) that Draco is being forced to use it on the Death Eater. Should this be added into the table, or as a note at the end regarding possible ambiguity? -- 24.84.67.227 07:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
It's simply unblockable. As such, Tonks, Lupin, Gideon Prewett, Fabian Prewett and Emmeline Vance are speculation. Plenty of people have been killed with other spells and none of those died 'on screen'.
Molly Weasley was never specified as casting the Killing Curse. As far as I can tell, Bellatrix just so happened to be caught in a vulnerable spot by a garden-variety curse which did her in. The lack of reference to a green light is a dead giveaway that the Killing Curse wasn't involved, plus, it wouldn't be accurate to suggest that where Bellatrix got caught with the curse was especially vulnerable, because every part of the body is equally vulnerable to Avada Kedavra, no? 04:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe it is stated that Ariana Dumbledore died from Avada Kadavra either. She was killed in the fight between her brothers and Grindelwald but was it ever stated how?
It was said that "She wanted to help." and "we don't know wwhich one did it " And yes. half that list is speculation. I suggest we only have the actual known victums of the killling curse on the lis, meaning death mentioned to have been pulled off by Avada Kedavra, or ones that were preceded by the words "Avada Kedavra"
Ok, when I learned Aramaic in yeshiva, my teachers said it is אברא כדברא (avra kadavra) which translates from Rabbinic Aramaic to "I shall create as I speak." I really don't see how אבדא כדברא (avda kadavra)translates as she says. Yes, אבדא means I shall destroy, and it could be "I shall destroy as I speak" or "I shall destroy as the thing" (dvar means both speech and item), but the כ would be completely superfluous in "I shall destroy the thing." And Aramaic, certainly Rabbinic Aramaic, which is the type that is most likely to have seeped into English is known for its avoidance of even one superfluous letter. And I just found what itsays in the Wikipedia article on Abracadabra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abracadabra, which also confirms what I know. 75.3.236.39 ( talk) 03:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I was reading thru the article and noticed how Albus Dumbledore is listed as a known victim of the Avada Kedavra curse casted by Severus Snape in HBP. There is also mention of Cedric Diggory's fate in GoF, as well as revealing critical plot details in GoF (Barty Crouch Jr. impersonating Alastor Moody). Should this warrant for a spoiler warning to be attached to this article? 124.217.27.0 00:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC) also all the characters that were killed by this spell in the deathly hallows are written there and the book just got out!!!!
Then I suggest you read the book instead of looking up information on the victims, so that you are not spoiled :)-- Problematik 04:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't looking up information on the victims. I was looking up the origin of Avada Kedavra. Unfortunately, the two are intermingled. I can understand information through Book 6 being considered safe. However, when Deathly Hallows has been out LESS THAN 48 hours - I believe a clear warning needs to be given before any information from the book is revealed.
I totally agree. I've not read HP7 yet but have learnt a Major spoiler about it reading this page. :-( Harani66 16:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, Problematik, but I CONCUR with those above! I, also, was looking up information on the unforgiveable curses. The plot points detailing their use directly follows the listing of each curse, with no spoiler warnings. Regardless of how long the books have been available - as a service to future readers, PLEASE consider placing a spoiler warning AND re-organizing the information as presented. Possibly an overview/definition of ALL the curses, followed by a spoiler warning, followed by the specific plot points? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.227.195 ( talk) 18:47, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd go with both. If you are looking up characters without reading one of the books that hasn't become a movie, and don't wish for their fates to be "spoiled," then don't read it. But the information going along with the curse is also important. I suggest making a page entitled: "Origin of the Unforgivable Curses in Harry Potter," and another "Victims of the Unforgivable Curses in Harry Potter." Basketball 110 21:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Voldemort didn't use Imperius to make Harry bow, he just used a magical telekinesis to make Harry bow. Confirmed in Goblet of Fire book, Harry feels his body moved but none of the happiness that is supposed to take place under Imperius.
Are you sure about it been Barty Crouch Jnr. who cast the spell, been right at the start of the book I would have thought it was Mad Eye himself. Medscin 12:23, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
The article currently states that we first see the Avada Kedavra being used on a human being in GoF when Frank Bryce is killed. However, although it's true that we first see the whole thing (incantation and effect) in GoF, we have already seen the effect in the first film (when Lily is killed), and we've heard at least part of the incantation in the second film (when Lucius Malfoy tries to use it on Harry just outside Dumbledore's office, ridiculously uncanonical and unlikely as this would be). Is there a way we can clarify this a bit more? Tobelia 02:28, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Films are uncanonical and the books are what articles are based on 81.154.139.231 21:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
"Fawkes [HP4] Lord Voldemort Struck by curse aimed at Dumbledore, burst into flames, reborn again from ashes."
I don't remember Voldemort and Dumbledore even being in the same location in the entire Goblet of Fire, so how could Voldemort aim a spell at him?-- Vercalos 20:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
That event happened in book 5, not 4. PenguinLord 01:54, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Fawkes is a phoenix, when he dies he explodes into flames. Wolfmankurd 18:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't Barty Crouch Sr. be included as well? At the end of the book(Not at all in the movie), Barty CrouCch Jr. admitted to having Barty Crouch Sr. under the Imperius Curse, Which the article mentioned they ended up learning to throw off through repeated exposure.-- Vercalos 20:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The statement, in the notes for Stan Shunpike, "If so, it was to find the real Harry Potter among the fakes because they knew that Harry would not try to harm Stan.", is purely conjecture. It is more likely that the death eaters "imperiused" him as he was easily available (in Azkaban) to add to their numbers and had no thought that Harry would not try to harm him or that he would recognize the "real" Harry or give himself away by being too "nice" in a fight with Stan. Indeed, the death eaters did not realize that they would need to identify the "real" Harry out of six imposters. Further, Harry tried to harm very few people, it is notable that amongst the non-death eaters and the Order in particular, it was rare for anybody to try to kill someone else, even a death eater out to do them in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.78.98.27 ( talk) 02:35, August 21, 2007 (UTC)
From the article: "The graveyard duel - twice: forced to bow before the duel, forced to answer (successfully resisted)"
Harry is able to block the imperius curse, so I do not think Voldemort used the imperious curse to make him bow. Rather, I think he used another spell that pushed his back forward. Unlike with the imperius curse, this kind of spell would cause Harry to bend forward unwillingly.
If the bow was indeed caused by an imperius curse, Harry would have been able to resist it, and it would have been more likely that Voldemort would say "imperio."
Do we have text in the books that says they were necessarily killed by Avada Kedavra or is that speculation? JoshuaZ 03:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
It's a big pain if you want to link to any of the Unforgiveable Curses. Suppose I wanted to tell you about the Imperius Curse in another article. This would require the wiki text [[The Unforgivable Curses in the world of Harry Potter#Imperio (The Imperius Curse)|Imperius]], which, after all that, would show up simply as Imperius. Can't we shorten the section names a bit? -- Fbv 65 edel ( discuss | contribs) 00:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Currently "Unforgivable Curses" redirects here. One easy solution would be to swap the redirect and the article, and make the associated changes. JoshuaZ 15:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
The article claims that Voldemort tried to use Avada Kedavra on Dumbledore in their duel. I don't recall this, and don't have the book in front of me. Can someone confirm this? JoshuaZ 04:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
The IPA at the top of the article uses 'ae' (as in cat, right?) for all the A's in avada kedavra. Is this correct? I was under the impression that it was 'ah' sounds (as in don or wand), and it's hard to use 'ae' in unaccented syllables. I don't have the movies to check; also, is there a difference between the official pronunciation and the movie version?
ETA: Yeah, and the 'e' there is also given the 'ae' pronunciation, which is clearly erroneous. Kilyle 05:59, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
About Lucius Malfoy's use of the killing curse in the movie version of the Chamber of Secrets, I don't think he was using that curse. I've looked at the captioning of the movie and what I got was not "Avada...", but instead "Vera...". Is there any curse or spell that sounds like that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.179.29.79 ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
Do we add links to other wikis?-- Vercalos 23:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if Harry's use of Crucio against Bellatrix should be considered dubious. Sure, it was poorly executed ("You have to mean it"), but it was the curse nonetheless and it did cause, however shortly, the desired effect. I don't want to change it yet (though I may shortly), and you may not like it but Harry did indeed perform Crucio. OK, he wasn't prosecuted, but he was using it against a Death Eater and fugitive from Azkaban currently doing the bidding of Voldemort and was proven right in the sight of MoM Cornelius Fudge and Dumbledore. I hardly think they would prosecute him for that when they now have bigger fish to fry. Valley2city 22:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I am not convinced the Crucio had it's desired effect - namely the intense pain comparable to that suffered by i.e. Harry in the graveyard or Neville in the Department of Mysteries. I also think it's irrelevant as to whether it was a 'legal' use of the curse as the listings seem to be purely for uses/attempted uses. I think it should go under 'failed uses' as the book has Bellatrix replying with ("I'll give you a lesson"). On a side note, Bellatrix's demonstration is, i believe, also a 'failed use', simply because Harry dodged it. Either way Harry's use is either a 'use' or a 'failed use' as the incantation was clearly made.-- 1sildo618 15:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Somewhere in the book series, (I think in the fourth book where Moody demonstrates the Killing Curse or when Snape kills Dumbledore) there is a sound mentioned as the swishing of wings through the air when the curse is cast. I think this sound might be a reference to crows/vultures (both associated with death), or the Christian/ Semitic Angel of Death, Satan, Mephistopheles, or the Grim Reaper, who all occaisionally appear with wings. Anyone know if this is true, or if Rowling ever mentioned where she got this idea?
Any contribution is welcome.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.8.226.109 ( talk) 04:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
Surely the use of Avada Kedavra on Dumbledore by Snape is dubious because Dumbledore didn't just drop dead like all other victims.
Not sure what Rowling has said on this issue - she has said he is dead, but still the use of the Killing Curse is dubious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.4.237.219 ( talk) 20:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
Dumbledore was definitely killed by Snape with Avada Kedavra, there is nothing dubious about it. To quote: "Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore. Avada Kedavra! A jet of green light shot from the end of Snape's wand and hit Dumbledore squarely in the chest." HP & The Half-Blood Prince (Chapter 27/page 596).
I could be misremembering, but wasn't the DA snitch placed under Imperio in Dumbledore's office, to make her lie about how many times they'd met? 204.97.183.31 17:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been seeing a lot of vandalism in this article, such as replacing words with pointless, sexually suggestive terms. I request that this page be semi-protected because of the vandalism.
Thank you Earthere 03:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)Earthere
A referance to the fact that these articles disscuss something that is fictional has been added at the beginning of each one. Delighted eyes 12:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Didn't Quirrel try to use this curse in the first book but was unable to cause of Harry touching him? 212.219.240.212 12:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
It makes no mention of Quirrell using anything unforgivable on Harry in Book One: "He felt Quirrell's arm wrenched from his grasp, knew all was lost and fell into blackness, down...down...down" (end conflict)-- Problematik 03:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, I don't think that Sirius should be listed as a true victim of Avada Kedavra, and Bellatrix as a caster, as this only takes place in the film adaptations and not in the true history of the books. Maybe we could have small note beneath the list. Even even though it states "film only", it isn't the true novel history. Any thoughts? Eagle Owl 15:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it would be wise to include all information and make a simple footnote of what occurs "film-only", than to leave information out entirely, especially as someone will likely add it again anyway. -- Problematik 03:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
You should leave it out. The film makes many changes to stop having to explain Harry Potter book technicalities. In the film, Lucius Malfoy attempts to perform Avada Kedavra on Harry Potter in the 2nd film, that's yet another random discrepancy that can't be included.
The Harry Potter films is NOT cannon. Sirius didn't die from the killing curse (Bellatrix' curse is actually described as red in the books, not green) and this incorrect information should be removed straight away.
I removed the second mentioning of Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort each because Voldemort's entry was plain wrong, and both were redundant as each individual's encounter of being hit with the curse again is recorded in the table already.-- Problematik 04:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Where is there any evidence that his killing of twelve Muggles was with the AK curse? We're told he killed them all with one curse, and everything else we know about AK indicates that it's cast in a particular direction, not at everyone in an area. As they were Muggles, if he cast a spell that caused an explosion it's likely that would have killed them. 213.249.135.41 20:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
The list of victims appears to have no order. I suggest chronological placement from when they happened (in the fictional Harry Potter universe. So the death of Tom Riddle Senior would be first on the Avada Kedavra list). Also, remember that Gellert Grindlewald performed the Cruciatus Curse on Aberforth Dumbledore.
well...a spider is included as a victim of the killing curse...but actually the impersonated Mad-Eye has also performed the other two unforgivable curses on two other spiders...
However I think this victim is so insignificant that I cannot decide whether it is better to add "a spider" to both the other two curses' victims, or to delete this victim from the victim of the killing curse.
Is there any chance we can change the simple (non IPA) pronounciation for the killing curse to something that better fits with both American and Commonwealth English pronounciation?
If you're in America, the "vaw" and "daw" in "UH-vaw-DUH KEH-daw-VRUH" are pronounced as the curse is pronounced in the movies and so forth, but for those of us in England, Australia etc, "vaw" and "daw" rhyme with "ore". I think we can agree it isn't pronounced "UH-vore-DUH" etc.
Wouldn't "UH-vah-DUH KEH-dah-VRUH" satisfy both accented pronounciations? 70.189.213.149 12:01, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes it would, I changed it but someone has changed it back. "Vaw" is most definitely wrong.
Though the name of the curse that killed the female Death Eater is not told explicitly, it is likely that Molly used the AK. Both women were fighting to kill, and Lestrange dropped dead after being struck in the chest. In any case, Molly Weasley certainly "meant" it, for she furiously defended her one daughter, being upset after Fred's misfortune, not to mention Bellatrix making fun at her. Should we write down B. Lestrange in the "known victims of the AK" table?
Didn't Dumbledore's sister get struck by a killing curse during the time that Arberforth, Albus, and Grindlewald were dueling? I can't remember, and if she did, should she be added to the list? -- VorangorTheDemon 04:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The 5 muggles mentioned in book 7 during potterwatch aren't listed in the Avada Kedavra victims list. And Hedwig isn't known to have been killed by Lord Voldemort, and as long as animals are listed, Bellatrix killed a fox in book 6 while visiting Snape, and Crouch kills a couple of spiders in book 4. And Voldemort kills a room full of people and goblins when he finds out Bellatrix's vault was broken into. Beast of traal T C 22:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC) Beast of traal
I added the notability tag to as I believe that there is no evidence within the page that the topic meets the notability guidelines set out in WP:NN and WP:FICT. There is only one indepednet secondary source given on the page and that is only to give a definiton of a word. It may well be that notability can be established but I don't think there is anything wrong with having the tag in place until it is. [[ Guest9999 22:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)]]
Such as giving someone extreme pleasure or bringing them back from the dead...?
-G 23:50, 5 September 2007 User:134.117.158.83
This article asserts no notability of the topic, has no out of universe references, such as the unforgivable curses occuring in popular culture, or a developed discussion of how Rowling came up with the curses, here influences, and so forth. As this information probably doesn't exist, it would be best to merge it into the article that deals with all the spells she came up with, and have one well written complete article instead of two unreferenced and thin articles. Judgesurreal777 06:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I have a propositions:
I think: The spells in Harry Potter world, must in seperate article, because I want forfend wanton commotion, and I want, sort order in spell. I may help in sort odder in spells. Best regars Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 22:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC).
Can we say that Voldy killed Scrimegour by means of the Killing Curse? Basketball 110 15:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Fred was killed by an explosion, right? I took out his death by Avada Kedavra. If you disagree, tell here, or fix it. Basketball 110 22:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised to finde these lines in the article:
There are three types of this spell. One focuses on muscles. This requires a "Swish-and Stab" motion with one's wand. Another focuses on the bones. This requires a "Zig-Zag and Poke" motion with the wand. Finally, there is one focusing on the nervous system. This requires an "Up, Down, and Circle" motion
I don't know if J.K.Rowiling says this somewhere, so I'll just leave that lines where I found them, but I really don't think they're true. So, if you know certainly that they're false, please remove them! Thanks, 87.24.15.6 ( talk) 11:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC) (--Hades87-- sorry I didn't log in)
As is it well-known, this article does not meet the Notability criteria at all. In the WikiProject HP, this page was never considered to be kept with the Notability issues that have been taking place. Much more important issues in the HP books have been already merged (characters like Lupin, McGonagall or Umbridge, the blood purity, all the Hogwarts layout and locations, lots of lists and families, etc.) This article should be merged into the Spells in Harry Potter without those Wikitables with useless information about the times each curse has been used. If so, then we should include those tables into each curse and spell that has appeared in the series (expeliarmus, stupefy, sectumsempra, etc.) -- Lord Opeth ( talk) 18:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I checked the Lexicon and also my UK version of Chapter 9. It's implied, but not stated (the fact that Rowle is writhing on the floor strongly suggests this, though) that Draco is being forced to use it on the Death Eater. Should this be added into the table, or as a note at the end regarding possible ambiguity? -- 24.84.67.227 07:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
It's simply unblockable. As such, Tonks, Lupin, Gideon Prewett, Fabian Prewett and Emmeline Vance are speculation. Plenty of people have been killed with other spells and none of those died 'on screen'.
Molly Weasley was never specified as casting the Killing Curse. As far as I can tell, Bellatrix just so happened to be caught in a vulnerable spot by a garden-variety curse which did her in. The lack of reference to a green light is a dead giveaway that the Killing Curse wasn't involved, plus, it wouldn't be accurate to suggest that where Bellatrix got caught with the curse was especially vulnerable, because every part of the body is equally vulnerable to Avada Kedavra, no? 04:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe it is stated that Ariana Dumbledore died from Avada Kadavra either. She was killed in the fight between her brothers and Grindelwald but was it ever stated how?
It was said that "She wanted to help." and "we don't know wwhich one did it " And yes. half that list is speculation. I suggest we only have the actual known victums of the killling curse on the lis, meaning death mentioned to have been pulled off by Avada Kedavra, or ones that were preceded by the words "Avada Kedavra"
Ok, when I learned Aramaic in yeshiva, my teachers said it is אברא כדברא (avra kadavra) which translates from Rabbinic Aramaic to "I shall create as I speak." I really don't see how אבדא כדברא (avda kadavra)translates as she says. Yes, אבדא means I shall destroy, and it could be "I shall destroy as I speak" or "I shall destroy as the thing" (dvar means both speech and item), but the כ would be completely superfluous in "I shall destroy the thing." And Aramaic, certainly Rabbinic Aramaic, which is the type that is most likely to have seeped into English is known for its avoidance of even one superfluous letter. And I just found what itsays in the Wikipedia article on Abracadabra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abracadabra, which also confirms what I know. 75.3.236.39 ( talk) 03:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I was reading thru the article and noticed how Albus Dumbledore is listed as a known victim of the Avada Kedavra curse casted by Severus Snape in HBP. There is also mention of Cedric Diggory's fate in GoF, as well as revealing critical plot details in GoF (Barty Crouch Jr. impersonating Alastor Moody). Should this warrant for a spoiler warning to be attached to this article? 124.217.27.0 00:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC) also all the characters that were killed by this spell in the deathly hallows are written there and the book just got out!!!!
Then I suggest you read the book instead of looking up information on the victims, so that you are not spoiled :)-- Problematik 04:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't looking up information on the victims. I was looking up the origin of Avada Kedavra. Unfortunately, the two are intermingled. I can understand information through Book 6 being considered safe. However, when Deathly Hallows has been out LESS THAN 48 hours - I believe a clear warning needs to be given before any information from the book is revealed.
I totally agree. I've not read HP7 yet but have learnt a Major spoiler about it reading this page. :-( Harani66 16:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, Problematik, but I CONCUR with those above! I, also, was looking up information on the unforgiveable curses. The plot points detailing their use directly follows the listing of each curse, with no spoiler warnings. Regardless of how long the books have been available - as a service to future readers, PLEASE consider placing a spoiler warning AND re-organizing the information as presented. Possibly an overview/definition of ALL the curses, followed by a spoiler warning, followed by the specific plot points? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.227.195 ( talk) 18:47, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd go with both. If you are looking up characters without reading one of the books that hasn't become a movie, and don't wish for their fates to be "spoiled," then don't read it. But the information going along with the curse is also important. I suggest making a page entitled: "Origin of the Unforgivable Curses in Harry Potter," and another "Victims of the Unforgivable Curses in Harry Potter." Basketball 110 21:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Voldemort didn't use Imperius to make Harry bow, he just used a magical telekinesis to make Harry bow. Confirmed in Goblet of Fire book, Harry feels his body moved but none of the happiness that is supposed to take place under Imperius.
Are you sure about it been Barty Crouch Jnr. who cast the spell, been right at the start of the book I would have thought it was Mad Eye himself. Medscin 12:23, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
The article currently states that we first see the Avada Kedavra being used on a human being in GoF when Frank Bryce is killed. However, although it's true that we first see the whole thing (incantation and effect) in GoF, we have already seen the effect in the first film (when Lily is killed), and we've heard at least part of the incantation in the second film (when Lucius Malfoy tries to use it on Harry just outside Dumbledore's office, ridiculously uncanonical and unlikely as this would be). Is there a way we can clarify this a bit more? Tobelia 02:28, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Films are uncanonical and the books are what articles are based on 81.154.139.231 21:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
"Fawkes [HP4] Lord Voldemort Struck by curse aimed at Dumbledore, burst into flames, reborn again from ashes."
I don't remember Voldemort and Dumbledore even being in the same location in the entire Goblet of Fire, so how could Voldemort aim a spell at him?-- Vercalos 20:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
That event happened in book 5, not 4. PenguinLord 01:54, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Fawkes is a phoenix, when he dies he explodes into flames. Wolfmankurd 18:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't Barty Crouch Sr. be included as well? At the end of the book(Not at all in the movie), Barty CrouCch Jr. admitted to having Barty Crouch Sr. under the Imperius Curse, Which the article mentioned they ended up learning to throw off through repeated exposure.-- Vercalos 20:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The statement, in the notes for Stan Shunpike, "If so, it was to find the real Harry Potter among the fakes because they knew that Harry would not try to harm Stan.", is purely conjecture. It is more likely that the death eaters "imperiused" him as he was easily available (in Azkaban) to add to their numbers and had no thought that Harry would not try to harm him or that he would recognize the "real" Harry or give himself away by being too "nice" in a fight with Stan. Indeed, the death eaters did not realize that they would need to identify the "real" Harry out of six imposters. Further, Harry tried to harm very few people, it is notable that amongst the non-death eaters and the Order in particular, it was rare for anybody to try to kill someone else, even a death eater out to do them in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.78.98.27 ( talk) 02:35, August 21, 2007 (UTC)
From the article: "The graveyard duel - twice: forced to bow before the duel, forced to answer (successfully resisted)"
Harry is able to block the imperius curse, so I do not think Voldemort used the imperious curse to make him bow. Rather, I think he used another spell that pushed his back forward. Unlike with the imperius curse, this kind of spell would cause Harry to bend forward unwillingly.
If the bow was indeed caused by an imperius curse, Harry would have been able to resist it, and it would have been more likely that Voldemort would say "imperio."
Do we have text in the books that says they were necessarily killed by Avada Kedavra or is that speculation? JoshuaZ 03:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
It's a big pain if you want to link to any of the Unforgiveable Curses. Suppose I wanted to tell you about the Imperius Curse in another article. This would require the wiki text [[The Unforgivable Curses in the world of Harry Potter#Imperio (The Imperius Curse)|Imperius]], which, after all that, would show up simply as Imperius. Can't we shorten the section names a bit? -- Fbv 65 edel ( discuss | contribs) 00:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Currently "Unforgivable Curses" redirects here. One easy solution would be to swap the redirect and the article, and make the associated changes. JoshuaZ 15:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
The article claims that Voldemort tried to use Avada Kedavra on Dumbledore in their duel. I don't recall this, and don't have the book in front of me. Can someone confirm this? JoshuaZ 04:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
The IPA at the top of the article uses 'ae' (as in cat, right?) for all the A's in avada kedavra. Is this correct? I was under the impression that it was 'ah' sounds (as in don or wand), and it's hard to use 'ae' in unaccented syllables. I don't have the movies to check; also, is there a difference between the official pronunciation and the movie version?
ETA: Yeah, and the 'e' there is also given the 'ae' pronunciation, which is clearly erroneous. Kilyle 05:59, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
About Lucius Malfoy's use of the killing curse in the movie version of the Chamber of Secrets, I don't think he was using that curse. I've looked at the captioning of the movie and what I got was not "Avada...", but instead "Vera...". Is there any curse or spell that sounds like that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.179.29.79 ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
Do we add links to other wikis?-- Vercalos 23:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if Harry's use of Crucio against Bellatrix should be considered dubious. Sure, it was poorly executed ("You have to mean it"), but it was the curse nonetheless and it did cause, however shortly, the desired effect. I don't want to change it yet (though I may shortly), and you may not like it but Harry did indeed perform Crucio. OK, he wasn't prosecuted, but he was using it against a Death Eater and fugitive from Azkaban currently doing the bidding of Voldemort and was proven right in the sight of MoM Cornelius Fudge and Dumbledore. I hardly think they would prosecute him for that when they now have bigger fish to fry. Valley2city 22:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I am not convinced the Crucio had it's desired effect - namely the intense pain comparable to that suffered by i.e. Harry in the graveyard or Neville in the Department of Mysteries. I also think it's irrelevant as to whether it was a 'legal' use of the curse as the listings seem to be purely for uses/attempted uses. I think it should go under 'failed uses' as the book has Bellatrix replying with ("I'll give you a lesson"). On a side note, Bellatrix's demonstration is, i believe, also a 'failed use', simply because Harry dodged it. Either way Harry's use is either a 'use' or a 'failed use' as the incantation was clearly made.-- 1sildo618 15:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Somewhere in the book series, (I think in the fourth book where Moody demonstrates the Killing Curse or when Snape kills Dumbledore) there is a sound mentioned as the swishing of wings through the air when the curse is cast. I think this sound might be a reference to crows/vultures (both associated with death), or the Christian/ Semitic Angel of Death, Satan, Mephistopheles, or the Grim Reaper, who all occaisionally appear with wings. Anyone know if this is true, or if Rowling ever mentioned where she got this idea?
Any contribution is welcome.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.8.226.109 ( talk) 04:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
Surely the use of Avada Kedavra on Dumbledore by Snape is dubious because Dumbledore didn't just drop dead like all other victims.
Not sure what Rowling has said on this issue - she has said he is dead, but still the use of the Killing Curse is dubious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.4.237.219 ( talk) 20:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
Dumbledore was definitely killed by Snape with Avada Kedavra, there is nothing dubious about it. To quote: "Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore. Avada Kedavra! A jet of green light shot from the end of Snape's wand and hit Dumbledore squarely in the chest." HP & The Half-Blood Prince (Chapter 27/page 596).
I could be misremembering, but wasn't the DA snitch placed under Imperio in Dumbledore's office, to make her lie about how many times they'd met? 204.97.183.31 17:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been seeing a lot of vandalism in this article, such as replacing words with pointless, sexually suggestive terms. I request that this page be semi-protected because of the vandalism.
Thank you Earthere 03:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)Earthere
A referance to the fact that these articles disscuss something that is fictional has been added at the beginning of each one. Delighted eyes 12:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Didn't Quirrel try to use this curse in the first book but was unable to cause of Harry touching him? 212.219.240.212 12:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
It makes no mention of Quirrell using anything unforgivable on Harry in Book One: "He felt Quirrell's arm wrenched from his grasp, knew all was lost and fell into blackness, down...down...down" (end conflict)-- Problematik 03:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, I don't think that Sirius should be listed as a true victim of Avada Kedavra, and Bellatrix as a caster, as this only takes place in the film adaptations and not in the true history of the books. Maybe we could have small note beneath the list. Even even though it states "film only", it isn't the true novel history. Any thoughts? Eagle Owl 15:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it would be wise to include all information and make a simple footnote of what occurs "film-only", than to leave information out entirely, especially as someone will likely add it again anyway. -- Problematik 03:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
You should leave it out. The film makes many changes to stop having to explain Harry Potter book technicalities. In the film, Lucius Malfoy attempts to perform Avada Kedavra on Harry Potter in the 2nd film, that's yet another random discrepancy that can't be included.
The Harry Potter films is NOT cannon. Sirius didn't die from the killing curse (Bellatrix' curse is actually described as red in the books, not green) and this incorrect information should be removed straight away.
I removed the second mentioning of Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort each because Voldemort's entry was plain wrong, and both were redundant as each individual's encounter of being hit with the curse again is recorded in the table already.-- Problematik 04:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Where is there any evidence that his killing of twelve Muggles was with the AK curse? We're told he killed them all with one curse, and everything else we know about AK indicates that it's cast in a particular direction, not at everyone in an area. As they were Muggles, if he cast a spell that caused an explosion it's likely that would have killed them. 213.249.135.41 20:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
The list of victims appears to have no order. I suggest chronological placement from when they happened (in the fictional Harry Potter universe. So the death of Tom Riddle Senior would be first on the Avada Kedavra list). Also, remember that Gellert Grindlewald performed the Cruciatus Curse on Aberforth Dumbledore.
well...a spider is included as a victim of the killing curse...but actually the impersonated Mad-Eye has also performed the other two unforgivable curses on two other spiders...
However I think this victim is so insignificant that I cannot decide whether it is better to add "a spider" to both the other two curses' victims, or to delete this victim from the victim of the killing curse.
Is there any chance we can change the simple (non IPA) pronounciation for the killing curse to something that better fits with both American and Commonwealth English pronounciation?
If you're in America, the "vaw" and "daw" in "UH-vaw-DUH KEH-daw-VRUH" are pronounced as the curse is pronounced in the movies and so forth, but for those of us in England, Australia etc, "vaw" and "daw" rhyme with "ore". I think we can agree it isn't pronounced "UH-vore-DUH" etc.
Wouldn't "UH-vah-DUH KEH-dah-VRUH" satisfy both accented pronounciations? 70.189.213.149 12:01, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes it would, I changed it but someone has changed it back. "Vaw" is most definitely wrong.
Though the name of the curse that killed the female Death Eater is not told explicitly, it is likely that Molly used the AK. Both women were fighting to kill, and Lestrange dropped dead after being struck in the chest. In any case, Molly Weasley certainly "meant" it, for she furiously defended her one daughter, being upset after Fred's misfortune, not to mention Bellatrix making fun at her. Should we write down B. Lestrange in the "known victims of the AK" table?
Didn't Dumbledore's sister get struck by a killing curse during the time that Arberforth, Albus, and Grindlewald were dueling? I can't remember, and if she did, should she be added to the list? -- VorangorTheDemon 04:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The 5 muggles mentioned in book 7 during potterwatch aren't listed in the Avada Kedavra victims list. And Hedwig isn't known to have been killed by Lord Voldemort, and as long as animals are listed, Bellatrix killed a fox in book 6 while visiting Snape, and Crouch kills a couple of spiders in book 4. And Voldemort kills a room full of people and goblins when he finds out Bellatrix's vault was broken into. Beast of traal T C 22:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC) Beast of traal
I added the notability tag to as I believe that there is no evidence within the page that the topic meets the notability guidelines set out in WP:NN and WP:FICT. There is only one indepednet secondary source given on the page and that is only to give a definiton of a word. It may well be that notability can be established but I don't think there is anything wrong with having the tag in place until it is. [[ Guest9999 22:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)]]
Such as giving someone extreme pleasure or bringing them back from the dead...?
-G 23:50, 5 September 2007 User:134.117.158.83
This article asserts no notability of the topic, has no out of universe references, such as the unforgivable curses occuring in popular culture, or a developed discussion of how Rowling came up with the curses, here influences, and so forth. As this information probably doesn't exist, it would be best to merge it into the article that deals with all the spells she came up with, and have one well written complete article instead of two unreferenced and thin articles. Judgesurreal777 06:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I have a propositions:
I think: The spells in Harry Potter world, must in seperate article, because I want forfend wanton commotion, and I want, sort order in spell. I may help in sort odder in spells. Best regars Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 22:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC).
Can we say that Voldy killed Scrimegour by means of the Killing Curse? Basketball 110 15:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Fred was killed by an explosion, right? I took out his death by Avada Kedavra. If you disagree, tell here, or fix it. Basketball 110 22:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised to finde these lines in the article:
There are three types of this spell. One focuses on muscles. This requires a "Swish-and Stab" motion with one's wand. Another focuses on the bones. This requires a "Zig-Zag and Poke" motion with the wand. Finally, there is one focusing on the nervous system. This requires an "Up, Down, and Circle" motion
I don't know if J.K.Rowiling says this somewhere, so I'll just leave that lines where I found them, but I really don't think they're true. So, if you know certainly that they're false, please remove them! Thanks, 87.24.15.6 ( talk) 11:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC) (--Hades87-- sorry I didn't log in)
As is it well-known, this article does not meet the Notability criteria at all. In the WikiProject HP, this page was never considered to be kept with the Notability issues that have been taking place. Much more important issues in the HP books have been already merged (characters like Lupin, McGonagall or Umbridge, the blood purity, all the Hogwarts layout and locations, lots of lists and families, etc.) This article should be merged into the Spells in Harry Potter without those Wikitables with useless information about the times each curse has been used. If so, then we should include those tables into each curse and spell that has appeared in the series (expeliarmus, stupefy, sectumsempra, etc.) -- Lord Opeth ( talk) 18:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)