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the lead is atrocious, and requires a substantial rewrite. it is currently brimming with emotive language and the writing itself features plenty of grammatical errors. ITAQALLAH 09:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm removing the neutrality disputed template. The quotes are all contained in the documentary and there is no way that any context could have changed their meaning unless they were attributing the quotes to someone else which they were not. It should be emphasised that the article is an accurate reflection of what is stated in the program. And it is clear from the program that these preachers are operating in mainstream mosques. I think that it is unreasonable to dispute the neutrality of the article. If there are any further disputes about neutrality I propose that specific statements in the article and that further items to include are discussed here. Gerryfarm 09:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
The article is about the documentary. The article represents the documentary in a non-biased way. The documentary might be biased, but the article is not a continuation of the programme. It is merely an article about the programme. If we continue down the "biased" road, the end result is that any and all people who edit any article about, say, Hitler are nazis. Moreover, any article that deal with said Austrian person is biased and promotes anti-semitism. How's that for not understanding what an encyclopedia is? Eh? -- Tirolion 12:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
It would make more sense to keep in statements that were made in the documentary but insert them in context, stating that the documentary "showed" such and such making the following statement etc. This is because the statements were definitely made but the editors obviously chop excerpts up as they wish for impact purposes. There should be no bias at all. It is an encyclopedic entry after all, not a personal opinion of what was shown. The documentary inevitably caused an outcry and so it is okay to explain that the mosque or organisation disagreed with something whilst the producers/public or other organisations agreed or were shocked etc. but you must include all sources to such quotes and opinions and NOT include your own as wiki editors. -- UK 007 14:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
The footage provides an uncensored insider's view in major mainstream mosques in Britain throughout 2006 capturing imams and speakers as they:
.-- CltFn 02:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
just as a reminder, you don't put fair use images on talk pages. they are copyrighted, and only become acceptably used in article space as long as they conform to fair use policy (which they don't here anyway). ITAQALLAH 06:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.155.224.232 ( talk) 13:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC).
the subject of this RfC is Undercover Mosque#Content, and whether or not it is appropriate to declare that subjects did XYZ, instead of keeping OR and NPOV problems out of it by quoting secondary sources and their commentary on the content of the documentary. the dispute does not centre around the quotes, while although i feel the way they have been cherry-picked is problematic, the editorial commentary authored by CltFn seems to be the main concern. the version i proposed, which still needs to implement some other quotes, can be seen here. ITAQALLAH 12:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
to murder people as these nuters have no right to execute anyone in the UK, SIMPLE. Hypnosadist 22:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I've atributed the quotes, this needs formating (grouping the quotes of each speaker together) and more info and quotes adding. Hypnosadist 12:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
So Itaqallah you want it to say some thing like this? Abu Usamah is quoted in the documentry as saying;
hope that helps! Hypnosadist 11:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I think it is important for balance that we include the comments by mainstream Muslim clerics making clear that what these men are alleged to have said is contrary to Islam. Tom Harrison Talk 22:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Is altmuslim.com a reliable source? Tom Harrison Talk 23:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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There have been no changes to this page for a couple of days. Does that mean everyone is cool with it? Can we take the NPOV tag down? -- Selket Talk 01:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I have not changed the article but want to develop Itaqallah's points. He has not changed his claims that parts of the article violate BLP or OR, although there seems to be little support for his viewpoint amongst other editors. The arguments all appear above and there is little point in rehearsing them. To go through his specific points with a view to further developing this article:
Sudais is not a former Sheikh, and he has spoken in Britain [3] . -- Avi 23:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
The reference now makes specific mention that it is a transcript, and is enveloped in the proper cite template. -- Avi 00:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there a source that connects the two media togethor? I just want to make sure that the connection is not based on a wikipedian's judgement (or OR). Bless sins 00:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
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A french journalist from algerian descent, Mohammed Sifaoui, made a similar undercover infiltration at the Clamart mosque near Paris, showing extremism and following a group of alleged terrorisst around this mosque. It showed that these people had ties with people in Great Britain, meeting the GSPC chief for France(Algerian terrorist organistion affiliated to Al-Qaeda)who lives in London. It's titled "J'ai infiltré une cellule terroriste" I saw there is a section about similar programme on the BBC. Maybe it would be interisting to talk about other docs on the same subject, I would personnaly be interested to know if there are similar exemples in the world. As a french I'm just aware of what's been done in France. I just express the idea, I wouldn't be able to write an article in proper english anyway. So you'll see if it could fit in this article or not.
Thanks ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.171.36.190 ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Sefringle has been adding information completely irrelevant to the programming. The article is NOT about certain views, it is about the PROGRAM. How is information from a foreign scholar who has nothing to do with the program relevant? I mean just because two views seem similar does not mean they are connected. Abureem 14:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Another revert by Sefringle. The main "accused" mosque in the program is the Green Lane Mosque. If your subject programming is focusing on a certain object, then that object needs to have its information available. So, if the program was talking about Sefringle, I am sure he would want to have his website on the article. I don't want to revert this until I can get some feedback from you all Abureem 05:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:External links#Linking to YouTube, Google Video, and similar sites Tom Harrison Talk 21:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
One concern is that the video on youtube violates copyright. Tom Harrison Talk 21:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not convinced of his notability, and certainly see no reason why his should be the first name listed. The mainstream news links from his article are less than I'd like to see. Compare that, for example, to what one might find for Christopher Hitchens, whom you called non-notable. [4] Proabivouac 21:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, just wanted to say that assuming linking to the video is okay and within copyright, then does it really have to have 'unreliable source?' next to it? After all, the text just states that 'Abu Usamah alleged that his words were taken out of context.', and the video shows him alleging that, so that's confirmation that he alleges it.-- Lopakhin ( talk) 13:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC) - Update: I now find that the above users are referring to another Youtube link. My comment re. the Abu Usamah video remains though.-- Lopakhin ( talk) 13:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
The reason this cat is added is shown by this line, Sheikh Abdullah el-Faisal: "You have to bomb the Indian businesses, and as for the Jews you kill them physically" need any more? 09:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
More? OK from the source for alligations of anti-sematism in the article. "Mark Gardner, Director of Communication at the Community Security Trust said: “This was a valuable expose of extremism and anti-Semitism, which should be condemned regardless of their source.”" Also placing this article in the cat does not imply it is anti-semitic just the accusation has been made by many people including British MP's. (Hypnosadist) 13:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Question: which reliable source has found the "findings" of this documentary to be antisemitic? By "antisemitic" I mean "antisemitism". The source should clearly say "antisemitism" or its variants (like "anti-Semitism", "antisemitic" etc.) Bless sins 14:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
If the source says that the documentary exposes anti-Jewish sentiments by Islamic religious figures, especially ones apparently engaged in explaining the Quran or other Islamic religious texts or dogmas, that is sufficient. In that light, please look at the reference list where a number of sources to that effect are brought. -- Avi 16:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I was originally going to add pertinent quotations for all of the citations, but that would severly imbalance the article length, so I removed the first one I added as well to maintain fairness and symmetry. Please do not selectively restore quotations. Also, ellipses are the proper typographical mark; three periods are an approximation. -- Avi 16:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I went through each citation, checked it for accuracy, and encapsulated it in a citation template if necessary. Some of the quotes were cited to the wrong source, I think I corrected each one. Also, no wiki (or mirror) can be used as a source for wikipedia—they are all considered inherently unreliable. I sourced the Saltley Gate Peace Group press release to Black Britain, and rewrote the text so that everything in the article is supported by the source. I also made some minor grammar adjustments, as well as moved the {{ Muslims and controversies}} template to help adjust the flow of text versus whitespace. -- Avi 17:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
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They are coming as examples from the "content" section. Each image is from a different imam, and a different section of the documentary, demonstrating the documentary's hypothesis of widespread penetration throughout Muslim clergy in Britain (whether that is true or not is irrelevant, it is the hypothesis of the documentary, and the images demonstrate visually the different clerics and venues in which the statements were made). Also, this particular image specifically mentions Jews, which prevents any misunderstanding about the thrust of the clerical discussions and the documentary's hypothesis. So I think that multiple images are warranted; however, I hear your point and would like to hear comment from others in this regard as well. -- Avi ( talk) 00:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Somebody should split this section into subsections, it is really inconvenient to read. -- Heptor talk 15:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
The video link "Undercover Mosque at Google Videos (Adobe Flash video)" links to https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2515587181120245843 (https) this redirects to google.com, the proper link would be to http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2515587181120245843 (http) which does not have the redirect. I looked at changing it but saw that the link is formatted using what appears to be a Google Video function that points to https. Tomf80 ( talk) 11:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
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The sequel is not as notable, and no need to have 2 articles when Undercover Mosque: The Return can be added as a paragraph of Undercover Mosque, which is all that is needed Joseph 2302 ( talk) 10:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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the lead is atrocious, and requires a substantial rewrite. it is currently brimming with emotive language and the writing itself features plenty of grammatical errors. ITAQALLAH 09:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm removing the neutrality disputed template. The quotes are all contained in the documentary and there is no way that any context could have changed their meaning unless they were attributing the quotes to someone else which they were not. It should be emphasised that the article is an accurate reflection of what is stated in the program. And it is clear from the program that these preachers are operating in mainstream mosques. I think that it is unreasonable to dispute the neutrality of the article. If there are any further disputes about neutrality I propose that specific statements in the article and that further items to include are discussed here. Gerryfarm 09:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
The article is about the documentary. The article represents the documentary in a non-biased way. The documentary might be biased, but the article is not a continuation of the programme. It is merely an article about the programme. If we continue down the "biased" road, the end result is that any and all people who edit any article about, say, Hitler are nazis. Moreover, any article that deal with said Austrian person is biased and promotes anti-semitism. How's that for not understanding what an encyclopedia is? Eh? -- Tirolion 12:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
It would make more sense to keep in statements that were made in the documentary but insert them in context, stating that the documentary "showed" such and such making the following statement etc. This is because the statements were definitely made but the editors obviously chop excerpts up as they wish for impact purposes. There should be no bias at all. It is an encyclopedic entry after all, not a personal opinion of what was shown. The documentary inevitably caused an outcry and so it is okay to explain that the mosque or organisation disagreed with something whilst the producers/public or other organisations agreed or were shocked etc. but you must include all sources to such quotes and opinions and NOT include your own as wiki editors. -- UK 007 14:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
The footage provides an uncensored insider's view in major mainstream mosques in Britain throughout 2006 capturing imams and speakers as they:
.-- CltFn 02:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
just as a reminder, you don't put fair use images on talk pages. they are copyrighted, and only become acceptably used in article space as long as they conform to fair use policy (which they don't here anyway). ITAQALLAH 06:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.155.224.232 ( talk) 13:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC).
the subject of this RfC is Undercover Mosque#Content, and whether or not it is appropriate to declare that subjects did XYZ, instead of keeping OR and NPOV problems out of it by quoting secondary sources and their commentary on the content of the documentary. the dispute does not centre around the quotes, while although i feel the way they have been cherry-picked is problematic, the editorial commentary authored by CltFn seems to be the main concern. the version i proposed, which still needs to implement some other quotes, can be seen here. ITAQALLAH 12:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
to murder people as these nuters have no right to execute anyone in the UK, SIMPLE. Hypnosadist 22:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I've atributed the quotes, this needs formating (grouping the quotes of each speaker together) and more info and quotes adding. Hypnosadist 12:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
So Itaqallah you want it to say some thing like this? Abu Usamah is quoted in the documentry as saying;
hope that helps! Hypnosadist 11:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I think it is important for balance that we include the comments by mainstream Muslim clerics making clear that what these men are alleged to have said is contrary to Islam. Tom Harrison Talk 22:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Is altmuslim.com a reliable source? Tom Harrison Talk 23:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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There have been no changes to this page for a couple of days. Does that mean everyone is cool with it? Can we take the NPOV tag down? -- Selket Talk 01:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I have not changed the article but want to develop Itaqallah's points. He has not changed his claims that parts of the article violate BLP or OR, although there seems to be little support for his viewpoint amongst other editors. The arguments all appear above and there is little point in rehearsing them. To go through his specific points with a view to further developing this article:
Sudais is not a former Sheikh, and he has spoken in Britain [3] . -- Avi 23:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
The reference now makes specific mention that it is a transcript, and is enveloped in the proper cite template. -- Avi 00:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there a source that connects the two media togethor? I just want to make sure that the connection is not based on a wikipedian's judgement (or OR). Bless sins 00:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
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A french journalist from algerian descent, Mohammed Sifaoui, made a similar undercover infiltration at the Clamart mosque near Paris, showing extremism and following a group of alleged terrorisst around this mosque. It showed that these people had ties with people in Great Britain, meeting the GSPC chief for France(Algerian terrorist organistion affiliated to Al-Qaeda)who lives in London. It's titled "J'ai infiltré une cellule terroriste" I saw there is a section about similar programme on the BBC. Maybe it would be interisting to talk about other docs on the same subject, I would personnaly be interested to know if there are similar exemples in the world. As a french I'm just aware of what's been done in France. I just express the idea, I wouldn't be able to write an article in proper english anyway. So you'll see if it could fit in this article or not.
Thanks ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.171.36.190 ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Sefringle has been adding information completely irrelevant to the programming. The article is NOT about certain views, it is about the PROGRAM. How is information from a foreign scholar who has nothing to do with the program relevant? I mean just because two views seem similar does not mean they are connected. Abureem 14:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Another revert by Sefringle. The main "accused" mosque in the program is the Green Lane Mosque. If your subject programming is focusing on a certain object, then that object needs to have its information available. So, if the program was talking about Sefringle, I am sure he would want to have his website on the article. I don't want to revert this until I can get some feedback from you all Abureem 05:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:External links#Linking to YouTube, Google Video, and similar sites Tom Harrison Talk 21:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
One concern is that the video on youtube violates copyright. Tom Harrison Talk 21:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not convinced of his notability, and certainly see no reason why his should be the first name listed. The mainstream news links from his article are less than I'd like to see. Compare that, for example, to what one might find for Christopher Hitchens, whom you called non-notable. [4] Proabivouac 21:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, just wanted to say that assuming linking to the video is okay and within copyright, then does it really have to have 'unreliable source?' next to it? After all, the text just states that 'Abu Usamah alleged that his words were taken out of context.', and the video shows him alleging that, so that's confirmation that he alleges it.-- Lopakhin ( talk) 13:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC) - Update: I now find that the above users are referring to another Youtube link. My comment re. the Abu Usamah video remains though.-- Lopakhin ( talk) 13:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
The reason this cat is added is shown by this line, Sheikh Abdullah el-Faisal: "You have to bomb the Indian businesses, and as for the Jews you kill them physically" need any more? 09:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
More? OK from the source for alligations of anti-sematism in the article. "Mark Gardner, Director of Communication at the Community Security Trust said: “This was a valuable expose of extremism and anti-Semitism, which should be condemned regardless of their source.”" Also placing this article in the cat does not imply it is anti-semitic just the accusation has been made by many people including British MP's. (Hypnosadist) 13:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Question: which reliable source has found the "findings" of this documentary to be antisemitic? By "antisemitic" I mean "antisemitism". The source should clearly say "antisemitism" or its variants (like "anti-Semitism", "antisemitic" etc.) Bless sins 14:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
If the source says that the documentary exposes anti-Jewish sentiments by Islamic religious figures, especially ones apparently engaged in explaining the Quran or other Islamic religious texts or dogmas, that is sufficient. In that light, please look at the reference list where a number of sources to that effect are brought. -- Avi 16:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I was originally going to add pertinent quotations for all of the citations, but that would severly imbalance the article length, so I removed the first one I added as well to maintain fairness and symmetry. Please do not selectively restore quotations. Also, ellipses are the proper typographical mark; three periods are an approximation. -- Avi 16:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I went through each citation, checked it for accuracy, and encapsulated it in a citation template if necessary. Some of the quotes were cited to the wrong source, I think I corrected each one. Also, no wiki (or mirror) can be used as a source for wikipedia—they are all considered inherently unreliable. I sourced the Saltley Gate Peace Group press release to Black Britain, and rewrote the text so that everything in the article is supported by the source. I also made some minor grammar adjustments, as well as moved the {{ Muslims and controversies}} template to help adjust the flow of text versus whitespace. -- Avi 17:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
They are coming as examples from the "content" section. Each image is from a different imam, and a different section of the documentary, demonstrating the documentary's hypothesis of widespread penetration throughout Muslim clergy in Britain (whether that is true or not is irrelevant, it is the hypothesis of the documentary, and the images demonstrate visually the different clerics and venues in which the statements were made). Also, this particular image specifically mentions Jews, which prevents any misunderstanding about the thrust of the clerical discussions and the documentary's hypothesis. So I think that multiple images are warranted; however, I hear your point and would like to hear comment from others in this regard as well. -- Avi ( talk) 00:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Somebody should split this section into subsections, it is really inconvenient to read. -- Heptor talk 15:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
The video link "Undercover Mosque at Google Videos (Adobe Flash video)" links to https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2515587181120245843 (https) this redirects to google.com, the proper link would be to http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2515587181120245843 (http) which does not have the redirect. I looked at changing it but saw that the link is formatted using what appears to be a Google Video function that points to https. Tomf80 ( talk) 11:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
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The sequel is not as notable, and no need to have 2 articles when Undercover Mosque: The Return can be added as a paragraph of Undercover Mosque, which is all that is needed Joseph 2302 ( talk) 10:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)