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Shouldn't it say "Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare"? Simply leaving it as Undead Nightmare, makes it seem as if it's an entirely separate game, when in reality, it's just an expansion pack to the original game.
Dohvahkiin (
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02:40, 22 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Expansion titles don't need the prefix if they're commonly discussed in sources without the prefix. It's the
common name and more recognizable (the name most people will call it), natural (reflecting what it's usually called), precise (unambiguously identified), and concise (not longer than necessary to identify), per the
naming criteria (article titles policy) czar18:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC)reply
If that's the case, the first nine articles on the page in references all call the expansion "Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare". I'm pretty sure the page's title used to be that as well.
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12:07, 23 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Journalists cite many games with long titles by their official name for their first usage—the point is how they refer to them afterwards. The "subtitle" in this case is how the expansion is primarily known. If I were to talk about the expansion, I would not repeat RDR: UN each time—that is the essence of the naming policy I linked above. czar20:42, 23 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Ok. I was just used to seeing it in the category with the prefix, plus, I usually refer to it by its full name, so it just looked a bit strange. I think this is the only expansion I've actually seen it happen to actually....
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22:48, 23 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Some of the more prominent expansions were changed to the full format in the last year—haven't had time to contest them czar05:01, 24 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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Can't quite agree that COMMONNAME would result in this. Glancing over the References section, all titles including the name introduce it in full, "Red Dead Redemtpion (or, in one case, RDR): Undead Nightmare", and so should we, with the title, the infobox, and the first mention at the beginning of the lede.
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Oppose. Your nomination doesn't address anything raised in the previous discussion:
Talk:Undead_Nightmare#Title. The
common name goes in the infobox, article title, and throughout the article. Usually isn't a big deal to put the full title at the beginning of the lede, but good prose is also more important than guidelines. The redundancy in "Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare is an expansion pack to the 2010 video game Red Dead Redemption" is bad writing. As for the precedent of other DLCs—some only changed names recently and haven't been challenged and others also sit without the main game's name in the title. If the DLC is sufficiently known by its subtitle and not its full title, that's what we use. That's the basis of
common name and
the article naming criteria: more recognizable (the name most people will call it), natural (reflecting what it's usually called), precise (unambiguously identified), and concise (not longer than necessary to identify). czar22:28, 20 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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Shouldn't it say "Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare"? Simply leaving it as Undead Nightmare, makes it seem as if it's an entirely separate game, when in reality, it's just an expansion pack to the original game.
Dohvahkiin (
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02:40, 22 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Expansion titles don't need the prefix if they're commonly discussed in sources without the prefix. It's the
common name and more recognizable (the name most people will call it), natural (reflecting what it's usually called), precise (unambiguously identified), and concise (not longer than necessary to identify), per the
naming criteria (article titles policy) czar18:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC)reply
If that's the case, the first nine articles on the page in references all call the expansion "Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare". I'm pretty sure the page's title used to be that as well.
Dohvahkiin (
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12:07, 23 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Journalists cite many games with long titles by their official name for their first usage—the point is how they refer to them afterwards. The "subtitle" in this case is how the expansion is primarily known. If I were to talk about the expansion, I would not repeat RDR: UN each time—that is the essence of the naming policy I linked above. czar20:42, 23 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Ok. I was just used to seeing it in the category with the prefix, plus, I usually refer to it by its full name, so it just looked a bit strange. I think this is the only expansion I've actually seen it happen to actually....
Dohvahkiin (
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22:48, 23 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Some of the more prominent expansions were changed to the full format in the last year—haven't had time to contest them czar05:01, 24 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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Can't quite agree that COMMONNAME would result in this. Glancing over the References section, all titles including the name introduce it in full, "Red Dead Redemtpion (or, in one case, RDR): Undead Nightmare", and so should we, with the title, the infobox, and the first mention at the beginning of the lede.
Lordtobi (
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17:22, 20 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Your nomination doesn't address anything raised in the previous discussion:
Talk:Undead_Nightmare#Title. The
common name goes in the infobox, article title, and throughout the article. Usually isn't a big deal to put the full title at the beginning of the lede, but good prose is also more important than guidelines. The redundancy in "Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare is an expansion pack to the 2010 video game Red Dead Redemption" is bad writing. As for the precedent of other DLCs—some only changed names recently and haven't been challenged and others also sit without the main game's name in the title. If the DLC is sufficiently known by its subtitle and not its full title, that's what we use. That's the basis of
common name and
the article naming criteria: more recognizable (the name most people will call it), natural (reflecting what it's usually called), precise (unambiguously identified), and concise (not longer than necessary to identify). czar22:28, 20 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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