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Foreign language dicdef. SWAdair | Talk 07:34, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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I thought that this form of medicine was called Unani Tibb; if I am wrong, what does Unani Tibb mean? If I am not wrong, the title of the article needs to be changed accordingly. 149.171.241.237 ( talk) 10:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
"Tibb" is the Arabic word for "Medicine." For example, in the Hadith Shareef of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) there is a chapter called "Tibb an Nabawi" - "Medicine of the Prophet." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.210.106.125 ( talk) 10:33, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
tibb yunani just means "Greek medicine" in Arabic. But this article is supposed to be about the Indian (South Asian) tradition under Mughal rule -- the article on the reception of Greek medicine in medieval Islam is at Medicine in the medieval Islamic world.
It is unclear (to me) why the term is transcribed as unani, when in Arabic, Persian, Urdu and Hindi it is always yunani (why is the initial y not transcribed if it is present in all relevant languages?) -- dab (𒁳) 13:18, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Tib unani means the way of treatment with herbs described and initiated by unan (greak) Msuhail348 ( talk) 11:01, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
what is motto of unani — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purvenbhavsar ( talk • contribs) 10:52, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
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I have moved the page from "Yunani medicine" to "Unani medicine" as it is clearly more used in contemporary as well as scholarly sources. This can be seen from the Google results for the two terms: " Yunani medicine" (12,900 results) [where Google even asks Did you mean: "Unani medicine"]
It is evident by this that "unani" is clearly the much more used term. Even medical dictionaries such as Segen's and Mosby's list it as Unani: https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Unani
It might be even better to move the page to simply "unani" as the term is used. Gotitbro ( talk) 00:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Archiving here. Not used in article, WP:ELNO. -- Zefr ( talk) 17:05, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
The article is vandalised by quoting a judgement made by the Supreme court of India against fake practitioners existing in India. The SC verdict was on a different topic and here somebody misuses the same for their ulterior motives and to tarnish AYUSH systems. I propose to delete the edition quoting SC verdit against AYUSH systems because it is unethical to do so. The news regarding the SC verdict clearly defines this and the original court order is also available. Please revert the edition: The Supreme Court of India and Indian Medical Association regard unqualified practitioners of Unani, Ayurveda and Siddha medicine as quackery. to Indian Medical Association regard unqualified practitioners of Unani, Ayurveda and Siddha medicine as quackery. Because here, Indian medical association only seems to have the same opinion. Further, as far as Govt. of India is concerned, the opinion of government is to Integrate Ayush in health services as a priority in India. Mohanabhil ( talk) 15:00, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
The quotation from the Supreme Court was taken out of context. At the time that Mohanabil made this comment, the article had this claim:
Identifying practitioners of Unani medicine, the Supreme Court of India stated in 2018 that "unqualified, untrained quacks are posing a great risk to the entire society and playing with the lives of people without having the requisite training and education in the science from approved institutions"
The claim that the Supreme Court singled out Unani practitioners did not have any basis in the cited source. In fact, the case in question was about practitioners of Ayurveda who did not have a licence to practice Ayurveda; the finding in general was that for each tradition of medicine recognised by the government of India, the practitioner must be registered for that particular tradition. DGG changed this in September to "Referring to practitioners of all medical systems".
Based on the IMA source, I have now added to the article that the IMA estimates there to be 400k quacks who are illicitly practicing allopathic/modern medicine, when they are only qualified to practice Indian traditional medicine. However, putting this in the lead section might amount to giving it undue weight because the IMA has not said how many of the 51110 Unani practitioners in particular are illicitly practicing allopathy (the statement was about Ayushists in general); i.e., there is no indication as to whether a significant proportion of Unanists are illicitly practicing allopathy, nor whether a significant proportion of the aforementioned 400k quacks are Unanists. So it is not clear how relevant it is to Unani.
To complicate matters, the government has in the past issued temporary orders, like in 2014 and 2017, that allow practitioners of traditional and homeopathic medicine to prescribe allopathic medications and even perform surgery (against the advice of the IMA).
-- Joshua Issac ( talk) 19:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Crossroads: the intro-sentence currently reads, "Unani medicine is pseudoscientific." [1] However per WP:PSCI + WP:FRINGE/PS, "conversely, by its very nature, scientific consensus is the majority viewpoint of scientists towards a topic." However the citation that was used for this statement in Wikipedia is not scientific in basis - it's anthropological and based on the study of religion. Perhaps we need some new citations to support this claim if it will live in the intro? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jooojay ( talk • contribs)
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A lot of sources treat "unani" as synonymous with Iranian Traditional Medicine. For example, the article " Science and Pseudoscience in Traditional Iranian Medicine" describes unani theory but only mentions it once (the author prefers his terminology of "quackery traditional Iranian medicine"). JoelleJay ( talk) 03:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Based on fake journal of iran where not mentioned anything about Unani, how to put Unani as pseudo science DrTanveerA ( talk) 20:54, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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Delete sentence and reference “Unani medicine is pseudoscientific” 2A02:C7F:D869:7400:6428:75F:80AF:9A2B ( talk) 11:57, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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please don't write wikipedia if you don't know about unani medicine ..unani medicine is originated from Greece.it traveled from Greece to central Asia Dr.Junaid ahmed ( talk) 10:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Calling Ayush practitioners quacks is violation of law, please correct it. Court order 19 Feb 2022. 2409:4054:506:D47C:0:0:16E3:A8B1 ( talk) 21:12, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
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Remove the sentence "Unani medicine is pseudoscientific.[2][3] The Indian Medical Association describes Unani practitioners who claim to practice medicine as quacks.[4]" And add Unani system of medicine along with Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Siddha are well recognised by Govt. of India under the Ministry of AYUSH. Presently more than 60 undergraduates and around 15 PG Unani Medicine colleges are running all over India. Lakhs of qualified Unani medicine graduates holding the degree of BUMS and MD are registered in different states of the Indian Union and serving mankind. Furthermore, the Govt. of India under the flagship of the Ministry of AYUSH is allocating huge budgets for the promotion of these traditional systems of medicine to improve the health care system through the AYUSH.
Hence, using words like "pseudoscientific" and "quacks" by IMA or other authors look arrogant, which is unacceptable and insulting to the qualified physicians serving humanity. KhaleeqR ( talk) 13:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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please remove a sentence -The Indian Medical Association describes Unani practitioners who claim to practice medicine as quacks.[4] which is purely wrong Mohd Muzammil Ibrahim ( talk) 07:53, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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Change "is psuodoscientific"to "scintists are graduallly believing that ot is 100%scientific". 103.22.173.55 ( talk) 15:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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Comment : I want a degree in bums. - Roxy the dog 20:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia Editors,
I am writing to express my deep concern and disappointment regarding the inaccuracies and misrepresentations present in the Wikipedia article titled "Unani Medicine." As a passionate advocate and follower of the Unani system of medicine, I find it crucial to address the misinformation propagated by this article, which does a disservice to both the system itself and its practitioners.
The Unani system of medicine, with its roots in ancient Greece and later developments in the Arab world, has a rich history and a strong foundation in traditional healing practices. Unfortunately, the article on Wikipedia appears to have several factual errors and misleading statements that misrepresent the essence and effectiveness of this system.
First and foremost, the article erroneously portrays the Unani system of medicine as an outdated and obsolete form of treatment. This characterization is not only factually incorrect but also undermines the continued relevance and importance of the system in contemporary healthcare. Unani medicine, with its emphasis on individualized patient care, holistic approaches, and natural remedies, has been successfully used to treat a wide range of ailments and has garnered recognition from various medical bodies worldwide.
Additionally, the article fails to provide a comprehensive overview of the theoretical foundations and principles of Unani medicine. It barely touches upon the concepts of the four humors (blood, phlegm, yellow bile, and black bile) and their equilibrium as essential factors in maintaining health. The article also neglects to discuss the significance of Unani pharmacology, which relies heavily on herbal remedies and natural substances.
Moreover, the article presents a distorted view of the Unani system's efficacy and safety. It makes sweeping generalizations about the lack of scientific evidence and clinical trials to support Unani medicine's effectiveness. This overlooks the considerable body of research and studies conducted worldwide, validating the therapeutic benefits of Unani treatments in various medical conditions. While it is true that further research is needed in some areas, it is unjust to dismiss the entire system as unscientific without acknowledging the positive outcomes witnessed by numerous patients.
Furthermore, the article's tone comes across as biased and condescending towards the Unani system of medicine, often comparing it unfavorably to other medical systems. This bias undermines Wikipedia's commitment to neutrality and objectivity, which are fundamental principles governing the content on the platform.
I kindly request the Wikipedia editorial team to rectify these issues and ensure that the article on the Unani system of medicine reflects accurate and unbiased information. It is crucial to include a balanced account of the system's principles, practices, historical context, and notable achievements, as well as provide references to reputable sources and research studies that support the claims made.
I believe that it is essential for Wikipedia, as a widely accessed and trusted platform, to maintain the highest standards of accuracy and impartiality. By addressing these concerns, you will not only rectify the misleading information but also uphold the integrity and credibility of Wikipedia as a reliable source of knowledge.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. I hope that you will take the necessary steps to address these concerns promptly. I remain optimistic that together we can ensure that the Wikipedia article on the Unani system of medicine serves as a valuable and accurate resource for all readers.
Sincerely, Hakim Shabeer Ahammed Roy 2405:201:F006:802D:88EA:A4A2:3883:46CD ( talk) 09:45, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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The Indian Medical Association describes Unani practitioners who claim to practice medicine as quacks.[4]
To The Unani system of medicine is officially recognized by the Government of India and falls under the Ministry of Ayush, alongside other traditional systems such as Ayurveda, Siddha, and Sowa Rigpa.<[Ministry of Ayush. https://ayush.gov.in/ retrived on 20-01-2024]> Nevertheless, the Indian Medical Association labels Unani practitioners who assert the practice of allopathic medicine as quacks. [4] The government of India also discourages such inter-pathy practices. KhaleeqR ( talk) 07:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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from VfD:
Foreign language dicdef. SWAdair | Talk 07:34, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
end moved discussion
I thought that this form of medicine was called Unani Tibb; if I am wrong, what does Unani Tibb mean? If I am not wrong, the title of the article needs to be changed accordingly. 149.171.241.237 ( talk) 10:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
"Tibb" is the Arabic word for "Medicine." For example, in the Hadith Shareef of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) there is a chapter called "Tibb an Nabawi" - "Medicine of the Prophet." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.210.106.125 ( talk) 10:33, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
tibb yunani just means "Greek medicine" in Arabic. But this article is supposed to be about the Indian (South Asian) tradition under Mughal rule -- the article on the reception of Greek medicine in medieval Islam is at Medicine in the medieval Islamic world.
It is unclear (to me) why the term is transcribed as unani, when in Arabic, Persian, Urdu and Hindi it is always yunani (why is the initial y not transcribed if it is present in all relevant languages?) -- dab (𒁳) 13:18, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Tib unani means the way of treatment with herbs described and initiated by unan (greak) Msuhail348 ( talk) 11:01, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
what is motto of unani — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purvenbhavsar ( talk • contribs) 10:52, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
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I have moved the page from "Yunani medicine" to "Unani medicine" as it is clearly more used in contemporary as well as scholarly sources. This can be seen from the Google results for the two terms: " Yunani medicine" (12,900 results) [where Google even asks Did you mean: "Unani medicine"]
It is evident by this that "unani" is clearly the much more used term. Even medical dictionaries such as Segen's and Mosby's list it as Unani: https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Unani
It might be even better to move the page to simply "unani" as the term is used. Gotitbro ( talk) 00:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Archiving here. Not used in article, WP:ELNO. -- Zefr ( talk) 17:05, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
The article is vandalised by quoting a judgement made by the Supreme court of India against fake practitioners existing in India. The SC verdict was on a different topic and here somebody misuses the same for their ulterior motives and to tarnish AYUSH systems. I propose to delete the edition quoting SC verdit against AYUSH systems because it is unethical to do so. The news regarding the SC verdict clearly defines this and the original court order is also available. Please revert the edition: The Supreme Court of India and Indian Medical Association regard unqualified practitioners of Unani, Ayurveda and Siddha medicine as quackery. to Indian Medical Association regard unqualified practitioners of Unani, Ayurveda and Siddha medicine as quackery. Because here, Indian medical association only seems to have the same opinion. Further, as far as Govt. of India is concerned, the opinion of government is to Integrate Ayush in health services as a priority in India. Mohanabhil ( talk) 15:00, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
The quotation from the Supreme Court was taken out of context. At the time that Mohanabil made this comment, the article had this claim:
Identifying practitioners of Unani medicine, the Supreme Court of India stated in 2018 that "unqualified, untrained quacks are posing a great risk to the entire society and playing with the lives of people without having the requisite training and education in the science from approved institutions"
The claim that the Supreme Court singled out Unani practitioners did not have any basis in the cited source. In fact, the case in question was about practitioners of Ayurveda who did not have a licence to practice Ayurveda; the finding in general was that for each tradition of medicine recognised by the government of India, the practitioner must be registered for that particular tradition. DGG changed this in September to "Referring to practitioners of all medical systems".
Based on the IMA source, I have now added to the article that the IMA estimates there to be 400k quacks who are illicitly practicing allopathic/modern medicine, when they are only qualified to practice Indian traditional medicine. However, putting this in the lead section might amount to giving it undue weight because the IMA has not said how many of the 51110 Unani practitioners in particular are illicitly practicing allopathy (the statement was about Ayushists in general); i.e., there is no indication as to whether a significant proportion of Unanists are illicitly practicing allopathy, nor whether a significant proportion of the aforementioned 400k quacks are Unanists. So it is not clear how relevant it is to Unani.
To complicate matters, the government has in the past issued temporary orders, like in 2014 and 2017, that allow practitioners of traditional and homeopathic medicine to prescribe allopathic medications and even perform surgery (against the advice of the IMA).
-- Joshua Issac ( talk) 19:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Crossroads: the intro-sentence currently reads, "Unani medicine is pseudoscientific." [1] However per WP:PSCI + WP:FRINGE/PS, "conversely, by its very nature, scientific consensus is the majority viewpoint of scientists towards a topic." However the citation that was used for this statement in Wikipedia is not scientific in basis - it's anthropological and based on the study of religion. Perhaps we need some new citations to support this claim if it will live in the intro? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jooojay ( talk • contribs)
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A lot of sources treat "unani" as synonymous with Iranian Traditional Medicine. For example, the article " Science and Pseudoscience in Traditional Iranian Medicine" describes unani theory but only mentions it once (the author prefers his terminology of "quackery traditional Iranian medicine"). JoelleJay ( talk) 03:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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please don't write wikipedia if you don't know about unani medicine ..unani medicine is originated from Greece.it traveled from Greece to central Asia Dr.Junaid ahmed ( talk) 10:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Calling Ayush practitioners quacks is violation of law, please correct it. Court order 19 Feb 2022. 2409:4054:506:D47C:0:0:16E3:A8B1 ( talk) 21:12, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
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Remove the sentence "Unani medicine is pseudoscientific.[2][3] The Indian Medical Association describes Unani practitioners who claim to practice medicine as quacks.[4]" And add Unani system of medicine along with Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Siddha are well recognised by Govt. of India under the Ministry of AYUSH. Presently more than 60 undergraduates and around 15 PG Unani Medicine colleges are running all over India. Lakhs of qualified Unani medicine graduates holding the degree of BUMS and MD are registered in different states of the Indian Union and serving mankind. Furthermore, the Govt. of India under the flagship of the Ministry of AYUSH is allocating huge budgets for the promotion of these traditional systems of medicine to improve the health care system through the AYUSH.
Hence, using words like "pseudoscientific" and "quacks" by IMA or other authors look arrogant, which is unacceptable and insulting to the qualified physicians serving humanity. KhaleeqR ( talk) 13:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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please remove a sentence -The Indian Medical Association describes Unani practitioners who claim to practice medicine as quacks.[4] which is purely wrong Mohd Muzammil Ibrahim ( talk) 07:53, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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Change "is psuodoscientific"to "scintists are graduallly believing that ot is 100%scientific". 103.22.173.55 ( talk) 15:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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Comment : I want a degree in bums. - Roxy the dog 20:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia Editors,
I am writing to express my deep concern and disappointment regarding the inaccuracies and misrepresentations present in the Wikipedia article titled "Unani Medicine." As a passionate advocate and follower of the Unani system of medicine, I find it crucial to address the misinformation propagated by this article, which does a disservice to both the system itself and its practitioners.
The Unani system of medicine, with its roots in ancient Greece and later developments in the Arab world, has a rich history and a strong foundation in traditional healing practices. Unfortunately, the article on Wikipedia appears to have several factual errors and misleading statements that misrepresent the essence and effectiveness of this system.
First and foremost, the article erroneously portrays the Unani system of medicine as an outdated and obsolete form of treatment. This characterization is not only factually incorrect but also undermines the continued relevance and importance of the system in contemporary healthcare. Unani medicine, with its emphasis on individualized patient care, holistic approaches, and natural remedies, has been successfully used to treat a wide range of ailments and has garnered recognition from various medical bodies worldwide.
Additionally, the article fails to provide a comprehensive overview of the theoretical foundations and principles of Unani medicine. It barely touches upon the concepts of the four humors (blood, phlegm, yellow bile, and black bile) and their equilibrium as essential factors in maintaining health. The article also neglects to discuss the significance of Unani pharmacology, which relies heavily on herbal remedies and natural substances.
Moreover, the article presents a distorted view of the Unani system's efficacy and safety. It makes sweeping generalizations about the lack of scientific evidence and clinical trials to support Unani medicine's effectiveness. This overlooks the considerable body of research and studies conducted worldwide, validating the therapeutic benefits of Unani treatments in various medical conditions. While it is true that further research is needed in some areas, it is unjust to dismiss the entire system as unscientific without acknowledging the positive outcomes witnessed by numerous patients.
Furthermore, the article's tone comes across as biased and condescending towards the Unani system of medicine, often comparing it unfavorably to other medical systems. This bias undermines Wikipedia's commitment to neutrality and objectivity, which are fundamental principles governing the content on the platform.
I kindly request the Wikipedia editorial team to rectify these issues and ensure that the article on the Unani system of medicine reflects accurate and unbiased information. It is crucial to include a balanced account of the system's principles, practices, historical context, and notable achievements, as well as provide references to reputable sources and research studies that support the claims made.
I believe that it is essential for Wikipedia, as a widely accessed and trusted platform, to maintain the highest standards of accuracy and impartiality. By addressing these concerns, you will not only rectify the misleading information but also uphold the integrity and credibility of Wikipedia as a reliable source of knowledge.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. I hope that you will take the necessary steps to address these concerns promptly. I remain optimistic that together we can ensure that the Wikipedia article on the Unani system of medicine serves as a valuable and accurate resource for all readers.
Sincerely, Hakim Shabeer Ahammed Roy 2405:201:F006:802D:88EA:A4A2:3883:46CD ( talk) 09:45, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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