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Umm Kulthum's mother was Habiba bin Kharijah not Asmaa bint Umays. Now, this leads us to understand that she did not move to Ali ibn Abu Talib's house with Asmaa bin Umays. Caye11 ( talk) 23:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
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Aisha sent Salim, a grandson of Umar, to Umm Kulthum with the instruction to suckle him ten times so that Aisha would be considered his foster-aunt. Umm Kulthum nursed him three times and then fell ill. The foster-relationship was therefore not completed, and Salim did not become eligible to see Aisha unveiled. [1] | Aisha sent Salim, a grandson of Umar to her sister Umm Kulthum when he was of suckling age, with the instruction to breastfeed him ten times so that Aisha would be considered his foster-aunt, but he fell ill after she nursed him three times. [2] So the foster-relationship was therefore incomplete, and Salim did not become eligible to see Aisha unveiled. [3] | وكانت عائشة بنت أبي بكر، أرسلت سالم بن عبد الله بن عمر إلى أمّ كلثوم لترضعه؛ ليدخل عليها، فأرضعته ثلاث مرّات، ثمّ مرضت.
Google translation: Aisha, the daughter of Abu Bakr, had sent Salem bin Abdullah bin Omar to Umm Kulthum to breastfeed him; To enter her, she breastfed him three times, then she fell ill. |
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An editor has changed the story about Umm Kulthum being a wet-nurse to Salim ibn Abd-Allah, from Umm Kulthum getting sick to Salim getting sick. The story is based on a primary source (a hadith), and the editor has accepted that most/all English translations of the primary source say that it was the woman who got sick, not the child. The editor has said that a translation of the primary source into his/her own language has it the other way round, so he/she has changed to be that way.
The Arabic Wikipedia article also has the woman getting sick, so English-language Wikipedia was not unique in having the woman, not the child getting sick.
The story does not make sense if it were the child who got sick. A sick wet-nurse could make the child sick, so it makes sense to stop her breastfeeding the child. But a sick child still needs milk, or the child will die, so there would have been every reason to continue getting the woman to breastfeed the child.
Editors should not be changing articles in line with their own novel interpretations of primary sources. The article should go back to the old version.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
The double tag at the top of this page looks weird and kind of makes the whole article look questionable, so can you remove at least one? Ishan87 ( talk) 23:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
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Umm Kulthum's mother was Habiba bin Kharijah not Asmaa bint Umays. Now, this leads us to understand that she did not move to Ali ibn Abu Talib's house with Asmaa bin Umays. Caye11 ( talk) 23:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Previous version | Ishan87's version of 14:41, 17 August 2021 | Arabic Wikipedia |
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Aisha sent Salim, a grandson of Umar, to Umm Kulthum with the instruction to suckle him ten times so that Aisha would be considered his foster-aunt. Umm Kulthum nursed him three times and then fell ill. The foster-relationship was therefore not completed, and Salim did not become eligible to see Aisha unveiled. [1] | Aisha sent Salim, a grandson of Umar to her sister Umm Kulthum when he was of suckling age, with the instruction to breastfeed him ten times so that Aisha would be considered his foster-aunt, but he fell ill after she nursed him three times. [2] So the foster-relationship was therefore incomplete, and Salim did not become eligible to see Aisha unveiled. [3] | وكانت عائشة بنت أبي بكر، أرسلت سالم بن عبد الله بن عمر إلى أمّ كلثوم لترضعه؛ ليدخل عليها، فأرضعته ثلاث مرّات، ثمّ مرضت.
Google translation: Aisha, the daughter of Abu Bakr, had sent Salem bin Abdullah bin Omar to Umm Kulthum to breastfeed him; To enter her, she breastfed him three times, then she fell ill. |
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An editor has changed the story about Umm Kulthum being a wet-nurse to Salim ibn Abd-Allah, from Umm Kulthum getting sick to Salim getting sick. The story is based on a primary source (a hadith), and the editor has accepted that most/all English translations of the primary source say that it was the woman who got sick, not the child. The editor has said that a translation of the primary source into his/her own language has it the other way round, so he/she has changed to be that way.
The Arabic Wikipedia article also has the woman getting sick, so English-language Wikipedia was not unique in having the woman, not the child getting sick.
The story does not make sense if it were the child who got sick. A sick wet-nurse could make the child sick, so it makes sense to stop her breastfeeding the child. But a sick child still needs milk, or the child will die, so there would have been every reason to continue getting the woman to breastfeed the child.
Editors should not be changing articles in line with their own novel interpretations of primary sources. The article should go back to the old version.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
The double tag at the top of this page looks weird and kind of makes the whole article look questionable, so can you remove at least one? Ishan87 ( talk) 23:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)