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Created by ColdSteelKing ( talk). Self-nominated at 03:16, 18 February 2022 (UTC).
There's still a week left to address the issues at Wikipedia_talk:Selected_anniversaries/June_16#What,_no_mention_of_Bloomsday? and rescue Bloomsday for the main page. Sparafucil ( talk) 22:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
On 25 January the body of this article [1] was 5,982 words. On 20 June the body is 14,190 words.
Most of what has more than doubled the size of the article is the section I broke out from Plot summary into its own Interpretations section. It appears to be primarily devoted to presenting the reading of a scholar named Frederick K. Lang. (Although I can't find a CV or background on him, the press appears legit.)
Nevertheless, there are WP:UNDUE issues—in addition to the tremendous length.
Tagging @ User:Quarkny, would you mind sharing a little bit about your project here? The amount of time and work you've put in is incredible — and I very much appreciate the attention to sourcing – but if this material can't be better integrated, seriously condensed, or broken off into another article, it will almost certainly be axed by future editors, which would obviously be a shame.
Cheers, Patrick ( talk) 16:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
I read the Interpretations section with a little more care this morning, and I am not seeing where it might belong on Wikipedia. A better venue might be Medium with a title along the lines of "A Reading of Catholic Themes in James Joyce's Ulysses". Perhaps, though, someone else will have a better idea.
In any case, thinking about what might be appropriately preserved for this article — which is also independently a general suggestion for improvement — I wonder if it might not benefit from a Themes section. This could include 1-3 paragraphs each on such major themes of Ulysses as Catholicism, national identity, the body, gender and sexuality, love, paternity, the vocation of the artist, the anxiety of influence—or whatever editors might want to contribute (until such a time as it, in turn, becomes too long and needs to be cut back or broken off into a child article). For it is in no small part because the novel addresses so many major dimensions of human life that Ulysses has attained the stature it enjoys today.
(For similar reasons, the article would benefit from a Literary Techniques section, upon which there is also a massive secondary literature. But I didn't come to this article with the intention of doing any serious work on it, and so I will leave off further suggestions.)
Cheers, Patrick ( talk) 14:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
In many ways this is the most important section of the page because it details the "meat" of the novel.We would only need two or three themes to justify the creation of the section, which could be built out over time by future editors.
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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
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03:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Created by ColdSteelKing ( talk). Self-nominated at 03:16, 18 February 2022 (UTC).
There's still a week left to address the issues at Wikipedia_talk:Selected_anniversaries/June_16#What,_no_mention_of_Bloomsday? and rescue Bloomsday for the main page. Sparafucil ( talk) 22:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
On 25 January the body of this article [1] was 5,982 words. On 20 June the body is 14,190 words.
Most of what has more than doubled the size of the article is the section I broke out from Plot summary into its own Interpretations section. It appears to be primarily devoted to presenting the reading of a scholar named Frederick K. Lang. (Although I can't find a CV or background on him, the press appears legit.)
Nevertheless, there are WP:UNDUE issues—in addition to the tremendous length.
Tagging @ User:Quarkny, would you mind sharing a little bit about your project here? The amount of time and work you've put in is incredible — and I very much appreciate the attention to sourcing – but if this material can't be better integrated, seriously condensed, or broken off into another article, it will almost certainly be axed by future editors, which would obviously be a shame.
Cheers, Patrick ( talk) 16:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
I read the Interpretations section with a little more care this morning, and I am not seeing where it might belong on Wikipedia. A better venue might be Medium with a title along the lines of "A Reading of Catholic Themes in James Joyce's Ulysses". Perhaps, though, someone else will have a better idea.
In any case, thinking about what might be appropriately preserved for this article — which is also independently a general suggestion for improvement — I wonder if it might not benefit from a Themes section. This could include 1-3 paragraphs each on such major themes of Ulysses as Catholicism, national identity, the body, gender and sexuality, love, paternity, the vocation of the artist, the anxiety of influence—or whatever editors might want to contribute (until such a time as it, in turn, becomes too long and needs to be cut back or broken off into a child article). For it is in no small part because the novel addresses so many major dimensions of human life that Ulysses has attained the stature it enjoys today.
(For similar reasons, the article would benefit from a Literary Techniques section, upon which there is also a massive secondary literature. But I didn't come to this article with the intention of doing any serious work on it, and so I will leave off further suggestions.)
Cheers, Patrick ( talk) 14:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
In many ways this is the most important section of the page because it details the "meat" of the novel.We would only need two or three themes to justify the creation of the section, which could be built out over time by future editors.