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I don't think ultranationalism should link to the nationalism page, and instead should have a page of its own. Ultranationalism is very different from normal nationalism as it is far more extreme. At the very least the page 'nationalism' should have a specific section on ultranationalism before the phrase ultranationalism is linked to it. Helper201 ( talk) 01:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Why is the possibility of National Rebirth considered a "myth"?
Firstly, this seems like a highly contentious and emotive term, presumably designed to reflect the author's personal feelings on the matter, rather than any kind of objective view.
Secondly, since it is ( - presumably - ) impossible to give a "hard-and-fast" definition of what "National Rebirth" actually IS, it seems rather silly to describe so nebulous a concept with such a concrete term as "myth". Not to mention presumptuous.
I'm therefore going to change "myth" to "notion". Colonel Muriel Clean ( talk) 14:34, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Jeff,
please respect WP policies, such as WP:BRD among WP:NPOV. Fidesz definetly not an ultranationalist party, even if there some exaggerated sources on this, however this not not an uniform view with consensus, to say nothing of contradicts the reality. I informed Wikiproject Hungary on this case.( KIENGIR ( talk) 09:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC))
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Hello, I suggest to delete this article because it is not included as a word in the dictionary.
I think this word has been invented in order to discredit nationalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.46.160.58 ( talk) 10:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
That are not official dictionaries, just a couple of urban dictionaries you can find in internet...
Cambridge Dictionary: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/spellcheck/english/?q=ultranationalism Oxford Dictionary: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/spellcheck/english/?q=ultranationalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.46.160.58 ( talk) 09:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Whatever an "official dictionary" is supposed to be. 130.237.96.132 ( talk) 12:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
This page has a list of political parties that supposedly fall under this category. It is subjective, because what is deemed ultra may not be that in other countries. On the Ultra-leftism page, there is no list of ultra-leftist parties, but they do exist. I mentioned this first on the Ultra-leftism talk page and was told to mention it here. So both or neither pages should have a parties list or there is a double standard. - Artanisen ( talk) 13:41, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
There is not yet any Chinese ultra-nationalist parties in the list. The Chinese Communist Party is very nationalistic in its policies. This article of the Economist describes how the CCP stirs up ultra nationalism. - Artanisen ( talk) 17:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to preface this by saying that while ultranationalism is generally portrayed by the evildoers of world politics, it is still a set of beliefs unlinked to actions. You don't need to literally be Hitler to be ultranationalist; America was ultranationalist during WWII, the Cold War, and pretty much any time we've been at war (including now). It's hard NOT to be, honestly, and the beliefs - while touted by history's evildoers - are still just beliefs, and are neither good nor evil unless acted upon. As well, while ultranationalism resembles fascism, it is not fascism itself.
With that being said...
Whether you like him or not, Trump's political campaign was and is founded on very ultranationalist ideas. Xenophobia (a focus on Mexicans/Immigrants), a focus on past greatness that we've lost but can regain under him ("make America great again"), a cult of personality (do I even have to say it), and even though it barely went better than the raid on Area 51, he DID attempt to hold onto his position after being voted out and his followers DID attempt a coup.
However you look at it, MAGA is by definition ultranationalist, and I believe it can safely be listed under the set of "Ultranationalist Political Organizations". Bythepowerofscience ( talk) 00:57, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Finns Party ethnonationalist members were kicked out years ago, out of it was born the Black and Blue movement (ultranationalist, ethnonationalist)
Finns party is at BEST a nationalist party, but more akin to a conservative party. 85.76.117.64 ( talk) 18:56, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
The redirect Israeli ultranationalism has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 19 § Israeli ultranationalism until a consensus is reached. Jay 💬 14:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
I don't think ultranationalism should link to the nationalism page, and instead should have a page of its own. Ultranationalism is very different from normal nationalism as it is far more extreme. At the very least the page 'nationalism' should have a specific section on ultranationalism before the phrase ultranationalism is linked to it. Helper201 ( talk) 01:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Why is the possibility of National Rebirth considered a "myth"?
Firstly, this seems like a highly contentious and emotive term, presumably designed to reflect the author's personal feelings on the matter, rather than any kind of objective view.
Secondly, since it is ( - presumably - ) impossible to give a "hard-and-fast" definition of what "National Rebirth" actually IS, it seems rather silly to describe so nebulous a concept with such a concrete term as "myth". Not to mention presumptuous.
I'm therefore going to change "myth" to "notion". Colonel Muriel Clean ( talk) 14:34, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Jeff,
please respect WP policies, such as WP:BRD among WP:NPOV. Fidesz definetly not an ultranationalist party, even if there some exaggerated sources on this, however this not not an uniform view with consensus, to say nothing of contradicts the reality. I informed Wikiproject Hungary on this case.( KIENGIR ( talk) 09:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC))
Two discussions have started on the talk page for Talk:Far-left politics that may be of interest to editors here:
Uninvolved editors are needed, please join the discussion. // Timothy :: talk 08:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I suggest to delete this article because it is not included as a word in the dictionary.
I think this word has been invented in order to discredit nationalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.46.160.58 ( talk) 10:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
That are not official dictionaries, just a couple of urban dictionaries you can find in internet...
Cambridge Dictionary: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/spellcheck/english/?q=ultranationalism Oxford Dictionary: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/spellcheck/english/?q=ultranationalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.46.160.58 ( talk) 09:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Whatever an "official dictionary" is supposed to be. 130.237.96.132 ( talk) 12:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
This page has a list of political parties that supposedly fall under this category. It is subjective, because what is deemed ultra may not be that in other countries. On the Ultra-leftism page, there is no list of ultra-leftist parties, but they do exist. I mentioned this first on the Ultra-leftism talk page and was told to mention it here. So both or neither pages should have a parties list or there is a double standard. - Artanisen ( talk) 13:41, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
There is not yet any Chinese ultra-nationalist parties in the list. The Chinese Communist Party is very nationalistic in its policies. This article of the Economist describes how the CCP stirs up ultra nationalism. - Artanisen ( talk) 17:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to preface this by saying that while ultranationalism is generally portrayed by the evildoers of world politics, it is still a set of beliefs unlinked to actions. You don't need to literally be Hitler to be ultranationalist; America was ultranationalist during WWII, the Cold War, and pretty much any time we've been at war (including now). It's hard NOT to be, honestly, and the beliefs - while touted by history's evildoers - are still just beliefs, and are neither good nor evil unless acted upon. As well, while ultranationalism resembles fascism, it is not fascism itself.
With that being said...
Whether you like him or not, Trump's political campaign was and is founded on very ultranationalist ideas. Xenophobia (a focus on Mexicans/Immigrants), a focus on past greatness that we've lost but can regain under him ("make America great again"), a cult of personality (do I even have to say it), and even though it barely went better than the raid on Area 51, he DID attempt to hold onto his position after being voted out and his followers DID attempt a coup.
However you look at it, MAGA is by definition ultranationalist, and I believe it can safely be listed under the set of "Ultranationalist Political Organizations". Bythepowerofscience ( talk) 00:57, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Finns Party ethnonationalist members were kicked out years ago, out of it was born the Black and Blue movement (ultranationalist, ethnonationalist)
Finns party is at BEST a nationalist party, but more akin to a conservative party. 85.76.117.64 ( talk) 18:56, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
The redirect Israeli ultranationalism has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 19 § Israeli ultranationalism until a consensus is reached. Jay 💬 14:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)