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This page needs a major rewrite IMO. Currently the is no mention of general relativity, no clear distinction between a flat, open, closed, universe. No mention of any experimental evidence. I'd do it myself only I'm not really all that confident on my own knowledge. Are there any cosmologists out there? Theresa knott 10:02 Apr 1, 2003 (UTC)
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Well it seems that End of Time redirects here. Dieboybun 05:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Note: The author uses the word "detach," but what he really means is that over a long enough period of time all orbiting bodies, whether they be planets orbiting a sun, or the stars of a galaxy orbiting the center of the galaxy, will become involved in gravitational interactions with each other that will either cause them to collide and merge with each other, or be slung out of the system. The best way to demonstrate this effect is to "play God" using one of the orbit simulators you can find on the Internet, i.e., build your own solar system. You'll be amazed at how difficult it is to put an object into a stable, long-lasting orbit.
Most cosmologists currently believe that the universe is flat or open. That means that that the time that there will be warmth and light (and life) in the universe is a brief moment, followed by an inconceivably long cold darkness in which every atom will be light-years away from every other atom: a horrible freezing darkness in which nothing will ever happen again. You better think twice before wishing you could live forever. [Rick Gauger, Dec 5, 2003]
Shouldn't mention be made of WMAP and it's implications? I don't know enough about the subject so I can't add it, I'm afraid. Dysprosia 08:00, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I find the (albiet brief) overview of religous theories and the implication that they exist at the same level of credibility as the scientific view to be inappropriate and offensive to science in general. Superstition has no place in any serious discussion involving physics. -Anon
Frankly, it's ridiculous that the so-called religious POV is included in this article. Religion has absolutely no insight to offer into this topic. Religion states the world was created in 7 days. Need I say more! Could someone remove the religion nonsense from this feature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.213.242.101 ( talk) 05:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
No. People have the freedom to look at all viewpoints, not just scientific. It doesn't matter if you disagree with it, it should remain. Bigot idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.158.236 ( talk) 18:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
"This article is about scientific theories of the end of the Universe" - ...and that includes Douglas Adams? I'm sure he would have liked to be taken more seriously than all religions combined, but I can't see any way that discussions about the Hitchhiker's Guide fits into this page (other than as a quick reference to the main article about the books).
I'm a bit puzzled by the relocation of the Further reading section... as I understand it, the usual ordering is as follows:
This order more or less reflects the potential availability of the various documents and the likelihood they will be consulted immediately.
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This is getting really annoying. Every article I see on physics, it talks about time expanding!! TIME DOES NOT EXPAND! IT IS NOT A PHYSICAL ENTITY!!!
Time is a dimension of the universe much like the other 3 spatial dimensions. Expansion therefore refers to a warping or extension of some part of that dimension. It is a physical 'entity', even if it's not something you can see or touch. And if you accept Big Bang theory, it wasn't just matter that began to rapidly expand at one point, but spacetime itself. Therefore, for the spacetime universe to be expanding, that includes time. Just because a concept is difficult to understand in lay terms doesn't mean it's not scientific or plausible. 220.236.186.14 11:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
No mention of the possible end caused by the quantum tunnelling of the vacuum of space into a final, lower energy state, thus annihilating the fabric of space time and all the matter in it, in a bubble of nothingness expanding out from a random point within the universe.
The QSS and plasma cosmology models are considered by mainstream scientific consensus to be models that are not as fully supported as the Big Bang model which is the one considered most in concordance with current observations. As such, it is appropriate to list these ideas as not in concordance with current observations. -- Joshuaschroeder 21:17, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
This article is obviously bias. It says nothing of Christian Eschatology or other Religious eschatology, for that matter, just Scientific humanist theories.Though it is grouped in that category, which it is not worthy of. I support NPOV and the only way to show or express this is by point and counterpoint with both sides being taken. This article should be revised, or be deleted, because it sure doesn't fit into the Neutral point of view policy. All I ask is that you show religious points, whether they be Christian or Non-Christian or the both of them. Эрон Кинней 11:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Partly, yes. But the article's title gives no indication that the source of the information and the content thereof is supposed to be scientific. When I read the article's title, I thought that it would supply all possibilities, not just one, because the title is the "fate of the universe" in-general, not the "scientific fate pf the universe". I don't believe religious theories are archaic, and I also believe that scientists and experts "in the field" are the only ones to be trusted on the subject matter, because the job of a neutral encyclopedia is to provide all possibilities, not to pick and choose its positions and define them however it pleases. However, you did make several good points, even so, I will not retract my position. My point being, the title does not hint in any way whatsoever that this article is solely scientific. It is a general title.
Эрон Кинней 23:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello there! This seems to be where all the "religious" discussion is, so i just thought i'd mention that i changed the word "story" to "narrative" in the religion section in order to make it sound slightly more academic. 24.147.136.145 19:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
There appears to be some confusion over the geometry of space and space-time curvature as defined in Einstein General Theory of Relativity. General Relativity holds. Space-time is curved. The ultimate fate of the universe is a combination of space-time curvature and rate of expansion. The geometry of space being held to be "nearly" flat, NOT exactly flat has nothing to do with space-time being curved which it is. Einstein's theory of general relativity holds strong today or your GPS system wouldn't work neither would your Sirius satellite radio.
Explanation from University of Chicago:
-- Voyajer 05:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Another helpful explanation is given here although I cannot vouch for the source which is unknown to me, but the explanation is correct:
-- Voyajer 06:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Also, when Einstein invented General Relativity and invented the spacetime curvature, he did so knowing that the ultimate fate of the universe (whether it would be expanding or contracting) was involved in the formulas. He was trying to prove in general relativity that spacetime was curved while at the same time inventing a cosmological constant to prove that the geometry of space itself was exactly flat and static. So he understood the geometry of space to be flat and static when he invented spacetime curvature. These are two different things.-- Voyajer 06:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I've just gone through the article and rewritten it; hopefully noone has any objections to what I've done, if so air them here. I would like to see the stuff on the open, flat and closed universes moved elsewhere (i.e. shape of the universe), with the stuff in that section about the end of the universe moved into the appropriate theory sections, but decided against going that far with this edit. Maybe I'll do it at some later point in time. Mike Peel 14:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I've altered this section of the article to be consistent with what's presented at Big Rip. In particular, several claims seem to have exhibited poetic license. In particular, elementary particles can't be "torn apart", only bound systems of particles, and a "big rip" scenario doesn't necessarily involve reaching an infinite rate of expansion within a finite length of time (just an ever-increasing rate). I'd also expect quarks to never become un-bound (new quark/antiquark pairs appear when a bond is stretched sufficiently), and to see very interesting phenomena resulting from the Unruh effect, but I'm not going to aggressively edit about these without citations (especially for the latter). -- Christopher Thomas 08:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
EXCUSE ME : (annonomous user) about there being a big rip, it is possible. however may i remind you that gravity is ever present no matter how far apart distance is between two objects their gravity may be small between eachother, but they will STILL affect eachother. so theoretically a big rip is IMPOSSIBLE. if we knew where the furthest planet/star/galaxy/any object from our earth was, we could say with confidence that our earth and that object both have gravitational effects on eachother, even if it's exponentially microscopic, its still there. so no matter how far apart the galaxies spread, eventually we will slow down and the galaxies will have to have SOME gravitational effect, so whatever the closest galaxy is, and wherever it is, they, along with us, will start to get pulled toward the center of the universe where the big bang began, and eventually we will collide with that galaxy and become one hitting multiple other galaxies until finally, we will be combined with everything in existance into one big super stellar object. thats what is "the big crunch". the "big rip" is impossible. sorry i know i sound like im babbleing senslessly and talking with no actual outline to what im saying but i just had to get this info out there. and also plz forgive my horrible spelling and grammer. -- (Unsigned) 23:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Anybody think that the universe, has retension, and that the rate of expansion will decelerate, until it slows down, and turns into the big crunch? sort of like the exploding ball screensaver on windows XP.
Please explain any errors in my thoughts, and please watch the language.
OMGitsCTC 04:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I made some spacing and signiture changes here to attempt to make it legible. One comment in particular had eight time signitures, so I pared it down to just one. I also want to answer a few questions posed here, which answers I posted in the appropriate places.
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==Early philosophical views== The [[monotheism|monotheistic]] [[religion]]s that emerged in the [[Middle East]] posit that the universe began a finite time ago, as the result of an act of divine will called the [[Creation]]. These religions also have [[eschatology|eschatological]] beliefs about the ultimate fate of at least the [[Earth]] and the [[Solar System]], if not the entire universe. On the other hand, [[Aristotle]] and other writers in the classical tradition held that the universe was eternal and unchanging. Before [[Einstein]] and his [[general relativity]], the modern science that emerged with [[Copernicus]] and [[Galileo]] gave little thought to the origin and ultimate fate of the universe. No one had any idea of what possible theory or evidence could be brought to bear on questions of this nature.
There are a number of problems with this: first is admits a very narrow bias in what it describes as "early" -- only Western, (mono)theistic and proto/early scientific ideas about this. I don't think that we need to talk about such views since they are subject to a different article on eschatological beliefs. It would be nice to have a clearinhouse about them just as we do origin beliefs, but I don't think this article is the appropriate venue. -- ScienceApologist 15:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have come across an interesting answer to the ultimate fate of our universe in a most unlikely source. It is mentioned in the Conversations with God books by Neale Donald Walsch.
For those who are unfamiliar with Neale Donald Walsch, he is an individual who claims that God speaks to him often and gives him answers about various subjects. Here, "God" tells him that the universe will end in the very far future (about trillions of solar years from now) and a new universe will be born again. God tells him that this is the in-going and out-going breath of God. This cyclic view of the fate of our universe is similar to Hindu thought about the fate of our cosmos. I added this small piece of information to find out if there is any scientific truth about this. In addition, God says that there would be enough gravity in the far future to force a total collapse of the entire cosmos. He/She/It (refering to God) also states that the universe is currently expanding at a phenomenal rate but this expansion will slow down and the universe will contract in the end. This process will go on forever. Any scientific views about this? -- S iva1979 Talk to me 14:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh, God, I'm so confused about how to use these talk pages but here's a shot.
Siva, if you're interested in a 'regenerating' universe, I suppose, without beginning or end, you should look into Brane cosmology, particularly the Cyclic Model. It's lots of string theory and whatnot, and in dispute, but still interesting to check out. 72.225.142.168 08:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Big Crunch article needs rewrite to support the Big Crunch main article. The article claims the theory has been disproved, or at least has great evidence against it, because of the general acceleration of the expansion of the universe. I would do this but I would probably appear to be a rambling drunk 80-year-old man in an airport bar ;) (hurray to everyone that gets the reference!)
-- Linkinpark342 (need to make account)
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why is everone so excited about learning how they will die? i dont see any point.... 203.103.49.154 06:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Could use votes to save this article, thanks MapleTree 22:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
So, do ALL "Ultimate Fate of the Universe" theories involve the definite death or organisms, either through heat death, compression, or a Big Rip?
If so, that's pretty daunting.
Still, the problem from my perspective is that nothing will be lasting- no contribution, no great work, no thought or concept. And if some models are right, the end will be an empty expanse with little more than photons in existence. No matter which way it's sliced or diced, the end result is essential nonexistence on a wide scale. That said, I'm also not worried about the death of humans, the destruction of Earth, or whatnot- I'd just like to know that SOME sort of intelligent life would continue existence, that there could be some sort of infinite cycle that would never conclude. Robinson0120 01:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
In the expansion of the universe continues to expand forever, what happens to virtual particles? Could the expansion reach such a high speed that virtual particles could be torn apart before they can anhiliate each other? It reminds me of Hawking Radiation, where the black hole absorbs one particle of a virtual pair, while the other escapes. If the expansion were rapid enough, the virtual particles could be quite distant within their lifespan.-- RLent 21:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the information on multi-level cosmology. Recently, a standalone article on multi-level cosmology was deleted, and was even considered as a scientific notability test case. After a unanimous vote for deletion, it was speedily deleted. Given the strong consensus about deletion, and for the reasons cited in this test case, I feel it's justified to delete the information from this article. Kevinwiatrowski 04:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The way the scientific bit of this article is structured around the geometry of the universe is fundamentally out of date. When you let the cosmological constant out of the bag, the connection between geometry and fate is completely broken. I've pointed this out without changing the existing structure at present. Arguably the existing structure should be thrown out, but I guess it has the advantage that many people think that geometry = fate and will just assume the article is wrong if this is not dismissed in words of one syllable. I will add a new section on the so-called cosmological uncertainty principle (think I can find a citation) which says that since we don't understand the equation of state, we shouldn't pretend to predict the fate of the universe... after all, inflation was a form of dark energy and it ended; the same might happen again. PaddyLeahy 17:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Looks like gibberish to me. Does it make sense to anyone else? Searched arXiv and ADS with no success for a relevant paper by "Hunt" in the last few years (fermbec = fermion BEC, not a person). PaddyLeahy 21:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Should it be understood from this article that there exists no possibility, for cosmology, that the Universe may be just a big infinite shapeless place that will not crunch or overheat and whose exact nature or fate may elude human comprehension? -- Childhood's End 13:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
82.12.86.64 15:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
It is a little hard to understand what is being said in this little discussion here. I think childhoods end has a good question. There does seem to be, however, a statement in the article that there may be no change to the present state of the universe and that it may go on as is.
However, that said, I don't think anyone here has addressed childhood's question. -cryofan -- 69.151.240.69 ( talk) 18:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed that someone proposed that this page be deleted on the basis that it is "not useful". I strongly disagree with the proposal for two reasons. Firstly, whether or not it is useful is, as far as I know, not relevant when it comes to deciding whether or not to delete articles. Secondly, and much more importantly, the article is both interesting and notable, therefore it should stay, imo. -- Hux 09:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I've revised the list of books in which the end is explored into a prose section that discusses both the timeline of the universal end's exploration in SF and the spectrum of approaches without being, or needing to be an exhaustive list of related works. I'd highly suggest that the subsequent sections are merged into this section as prose, rather than breaking them down by genre. Prose of this sort tends to discourage editors who feel that it's their duty to add their favorite novel or TV show to any list on Wikipedia. It's also more useful to explore the trends in and reasons for such fictional work than it is to simply list their titles and authors. - Harmil 16:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone should really comb through all those additional readings and see how many of them could be converted to inline citations of specific statements.--VectorPotential Talk 18:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 04:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The science-fiction title should be changed to be inline with the other sections that speculate about the end of the universe: "Non-scientific Perspectives on the End of the Universe" -- Perhaps this section could be merged with the religious perspectives. In any event, religious and non-scientific (science-fiction) theories should be given the same rhetorical weight or both removed.
Vanneev ( talk) 07:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
"Many religious beliefs are startlingly cataclysmic, and seem compatible with the various scientific theories about the end of the universe."
What does this mean? What religions? And how do they resemble scientific theories? Are there religions that preach heat death or the big crunch? Are there scientific theories that promote the destruction of the universe at the hands of Shiva, Yahweh or some other mythical deity? I don't think so. VatoFirme ( talk) 01:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
The word ultimate, means final, fate means death. However, both words are superfluous, as we have no idea IF it will end. Why is the Big Bang article satisfied by just saying The future which does not imply anything else? LouisBB ( talk) 09:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
The graph from the section "Role of the shape of the universe" shows the accelerating universe as a sinusoidal curve, with "Now" on the inflection point. In my opinion, it seems more likely that an accelerating universe would be concave all the way along, with a constantly rising gradient. Axl ( talk) 19:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone changed the SF project rating - i have re-rated it to start. It has only 3 citations, which doesn't come close to B class for a subject this wide, or even C class. Maybe other projects have lower standards, so i left those as B. Yob Mod 19:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay, Wikipedia: "It is also possible that all structures will be destroyed instantaneously, without any forewarning." Seriously, guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.45.191 ( talk) 03:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
you so dont understand wiki. its donated to. you have to know that this could be vandalism-- 69.208.10.6 ( talk) 00:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Roger Penrose has had a new theory for a few years now. From the title it's about the age before the big bang, but at the same time it's also about the "end" of the universe, i.e. the transition into the next aeon. I don't know enough about cosmology to extract the relevant information for a WP inclusion, so maybe one of you can go through it and include it in the article. See the first five hyperlinks here: Roger_Penrose#External_links (Newton Institute to BBC interview). I think it's quite a novel approach, although it does feel a bit reminescent of earlier theories. — 85.178.83.12 ( talk) 02:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Redshift is interpreted today as a proof that universe expands faster and faster, but really means that the distance between us and what we're measuring against is increasing faster and faster. And as it shifts more and more, faster and faster so the scientists have interpreted it as the universe expands faster and faster and then started to invent things like dark energy, which they do not have a single proof except for the misinterpretation of redshift. Here is another way to explain uniersums expansion WITHOUT DARK ENERGY! In order to explain as easy as possible can you imagine that after the big bang it was some sort of gravitational center of all mass in universe Which all was pulled towards, but the closer you get that center the faster you will be dragged against the ceneter / losing your speed(and power) you got in big bang, then we say we got normal speed(and power) in the big bang and we're measuring against someone who got more speed(and power) in the big bang should the distance between us and what we're measuring against increase faster and faster, the same thing if someone was "after" us, they would slow down faster than us and always get slowed more becouse they are closer to the center, because gravity is affected most by the distance! This gives the same redshift and does not require unproven energy. If this is true universe would gather together again in a big crunch!
Please comment on the discussion on my profile: shchengelska —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shchengelska ( talk • contribs) 00:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
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![]() Photons falling into a gravitational field become more energetic and exhibit a blueshifting. [1] Every proton has a mass and thus is a gravitational well gradually blueshifting its own matter wave. Eventually, the Compton wavelength of the proton will have shrunk to the Planck length, at which point the protons will become delocalised (dissolved in the ambient vacuum):
The radius of the proton experimentally determined by Robert Hofstadter is 7 × 10-16 m. [2] The Planck length inferred by Craig Hogan from the results of the Fermilab experiments is approximately equal to the radius of the proton:
Therefore, the protons are in a semi-delocalised state now, and this Bose-condensed state of the protons is Life. [3] As the universe's gravitational well evolves, its organisational structure becomes increasingly centralised. In plain words, the periphery of the universe becomes more disorganised and dumb, while the centre of the universe becomes more organised and informed. That is why Life could emerge only at the absolute centre of the universe's gravitational well, and the presence of Life on the Earth means that our planet is the absolute centre of the universe's static gravitoelectric field. Gravitoelectric field is nonlocal; [4] its strength is determined solely by the organised complexity of its source:
That is why the terrestrial Life orchestrates the whole universe; the informational progress of Life is a direct indicator of the exponentially accelerating evolution of the universe's gravitational well. Information is always recorded on some physical quantum substrate. A hard disk drive containing digital records is more negentropic at the quantum level than a blank HDD. Even a newspaper is more negentropic at the quantum level than a blank sheet of paper. Quantum information is conserved. [5] That is why when you write a word on a piece of paper, you decrease the amount of quantum information in the rest of the universe. A decrease of entropy on the Earth is accompanied by an increase of entropy in the rest of the universe. The entropy of a system is proportional to it's volume ( Leonard Susskind, 1995). That is why the exponential informational progress of mankind is the final crescendo of the exponentially accelerating expansion of the universe.
During the transitional period immediately preceding the final dissolution of the protons, they will be in a delocalised state, which will allow teleportation and psychokinesis. The universe will be governed by the Universal Wavefunction—God. In religion, this transitional period before the end of the world is known as the Millennium.-- Systemizer ( talk) 05:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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Should this be included in the article?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exasecond_and_longer
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ATTENTION! I AM NOT A SI-FI FAN. THIS IS A THEORY! END OF THE UNIVERSE As you well know the end of the universe is inevitable as the stars blow up and cascade into gamma rays, our planet is in collision with very many of these "ticking time bombs" as scientist will portray to you that the milkey way it's self may one day implode. BIG BANG I have researched on some things and have found nothing that happened before the big bang posing one question... 'Is our entire universe a "cycle" to its self?' What i mean when i say that is: Maybe our universe is one big recycling chain, meaning our universe may implode on its self in the very distant future creating another big bang! Maybe the answer to the big question 'What is the Meaning of life?' is that it is all one big recycling act making all differant types of spiecies of creatures and planets every time the big bang happens. Of course this is just one of my theories... Solution I think that there is some part of space were this cycle may not happen and it lies within a worm hole... The worm holes lead to differant areas of space, like teleporters, so we can escape this fate by creating inter galactic space ships in which we can inhabbit to enter these worm holes avoiding the "cycle" of life, death and inbetween. One problem with this solution is that if somthing doesnt go 'according to plan':the way the universe wants it to be, we could very well break a hole in the space time continuum destroying everything that ever was. According to some "tips" form annonymous sources others may think that th only solution is to wait and develop as much as possible so as to create "time travel". Others think along the same lines and say we should just wait and carry on with what we are doing and people from the future will rescue us using "time travel". ALIENS Crop circles i have linked to be an alien language. Yes, some are man-made but some are just too complicated for man to make, also if man does make these where do the desighns and accurate scale come into play? If crop circles are an alien language then i suggest they are warning sighns to help us save our planet. 'ALIEN HEROES? Aliens may be tring to warn us or even save us from extinction from the big RIP of our universe. Billiones of years from now may seem a very long way away to evacuate the earth from total annihalation, but it is too short of time for us todo everything required like: Finding out how to break through the barriers of the other universes and develop high tec space craft to carry us to our "new home" Earth is getting ready to expire as is our universeas the big RIP grows ever so close ready to rip appart galaxys as it grows ever so close, yet very quickly. you may have herd of scientists who can make us live forever by taking a certain piece of cell DNA to stop us from ageing, this wont save us from extinction Dispite these facts we may be able to get help from 'Aliens' as they visit our planet. In my opinion to this i think that aliens are co-ordonating a electro magnetic field large enough to move our planet as they are examining very many places of the earth to be moved from its current universe to another were the aliens have inhabbited. For this we will have to adapt to the new enviroment. The Aliens (that i think are rescuing our planet) are not the agressive carniverous ones you see in SiFi movies/programmes, but are a gentle and inteligent 'new' race of "humans" rescuing an entire planet of creatures to preserve us fom extinction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.108.175 ( talk) 20:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC) CONCLUSION I think that we must make a move now as we are in jeprody of becoming extinct,
it would never come accross anybody's mind that humans would acctually become extinct in real life! BUT,
it will happen one day unless we act now and solve the questions which deem most important... —Preceding
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I refer you guys to this news story: [6]. Apparently, they've "proven" that the universe will continue expanding forever. We may need to reference this work and change the thrust of the article. Mouse Nightshirt | talk 13:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I read the article, and like much of modern science it is influenced by the dogmatic war between atheism and religious believes. Being an agnostic (not believing in anything at all), I can clearly see that this dogmatic war is a greatest damage for modern science. On one side we have religious figures who believe that God of their religion created everything and in their (creationist) science works they trying to prove that their holly books are correct. On the other side we have atheists who believe that an supernatural intelligence cannot exist and they trying to prove that everything was created by pure accident and that nothing cannot have any greater purpose. Interestingly, according to this article, both of these warring sides would agree that everything will end (with or without purpose). As an agnostic, I would ask one simple thing from both sides - proofs? So far, neither of the two sides did not presented any hard evidence related to the existence or fate of the universe and therefore this article is more close to science fiction than to the science. However, as a way in which this article can be improved, I would propose an new section named "Evidences" where readers would be informed are there any hard evidences for any of the presented theories - if there are no such evidences readers should be informed about that as well. Some opinions of some agnostic scientists should be included as well because if only atheist and religious opinions are presented readers would see only two ends of the stick while truth is usually somewhere between (I noticed that both, atheist scientists and creationists would have some good points regarding various subjects but what preventing both of them to see whole picture is their dogma). 195.178.62.134 ( talk) 17:13, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Dark Formal: Are we reading the same article? I don't see anything in the article that is dogmatically atheistic or involves "trying to prove that everything was created by pure accident and that nothing cannot have any greater purpose". And if you want more info, including evidence, just click on the wikilinks for the ideas and theories listed here. Dark Formal ( talk) 01:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, The Life in a mortal universe section is full of fringe theories with no references. IRWolfie- ( talk) 10:14, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Also bear in mind links to wikipedia shouldn't replace citations from third-party reliable sources. IRWolfie- ( talk) 12:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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Please place signature at end. The energy comes from nowhere. See zero-energy universe. -- cheers, Michael C. Price talk 09:48, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
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Please see WP:NOR. The purpose of Wikipedia is to summarize information that has already been published in appropriate sources. Regrettably, it isn't a good place to discuss your own personal ideas about physics or cosmology. If you want information about what science presently says about the universe, asking at the reference desk page may point you in the right direction. -- Christopher Thomas ( talk) 07:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
I sincerely apologize sir. But, maybe i was driven to express myself. But it won't happen again and i would improvise on my ways to edit the works in a more efficient way possible.
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The Wikipedia ban on future history applies to this article in a big way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.11.197 ( talk) 10:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC) The laws of physics may depend on the current dispersed universe and may be or have been very different in the distant past or future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.11.197 ( talk) 10:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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This page needs a major rewrite IMO. Currently the is no mention of general relativity, no clear distinction between a flat, open, closed, universe. No mention of any experimental evidence. I'd do it myself only I'm not really all that confident on my own knowledge. Are there any cosmologists out there? Theresa knott 10:02 Apr 1, 2003 (UTC)
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Well it seems that End of Time redirects here. Dieboybun 05:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Note: The author uses the word "detach," but what he really means is that over a long enough period of time all orbiting bodies, whether they be planets orbiting a sun, or the stars of a galaxy orbiting the center of the galaxy, will become involved in gravitational interactions with each other that will either cause them to collide and merge with each other, or be slung out of the system. The best way to demonstrate this effect is to "play God" using one of the orbit simulators you can find on the Internet, i.e., build your own solar system. You'll be amazed at how difficult it is to put an object into a stable, long-lasting orbit.
Most cosmologists currently believe that the universe is flat or open. That means that that the time that there will be warmth and light (and life) in the universe is a brief moment, followed by an inconceivably long cold darkness in which every atom will be light-years away from every other atom: a horrible freezing darkness in which nothing will ever happen again. You better think twice before wishing you could live forever. [Rick Gauger, Dec 5, 2003]
Shouldn't mention be made of WMAP and it's implications? I don't know enough about the subject so I can't add it, I'm afraid. Dysprosia 08:00, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I find the (albiet brief) overview of religous theories and the implication that they exist at the same level of credibility as the scientific view to be inappropriate and offensive to science in general. Superstition has no place in any serious discussion involving physics. -Anon
Frankly, it's ridiculous that the so-called religious POV is included in this article. Religion has absolutely no insight to offer into this topic. Religion states the world was created in 7 days. Need I say more! Could someone remove the religion nonsense from this feature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.213.242.101 ( talk) 05:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
No. People have the freedom to look at all viewpoints, not just scientific. It doesn't matter if you disagree with it, it should remain. Bigot idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.158.236 ( talk) 18:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
"This article is about scientific theories of the end of the Universe" - ...and that includes Douglas Adams? I'm sure he would have liked to be taken more seriously than all religions combined, but I can't see any way that discussions about the Hitchhiker's Guide fits into this page (other than as a quick reference to the main article about the books).
I'm a bit puzzled by the relocation of the Further reading section... as I understand it, the usual ordering is as follows:
This order more or less reflects the potential availability of the various documents and the likelihood they will be consulted immediately.
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This is getting really annoying. Every article I see on physics, it talks about time expanding!! TIME DOES NOT EXPAND! IT IS NOT A PHYSICAL ENTITY!!!
Time is a dimension of the universe much like the other 3 spatial dimensions. Expansion therefore refers to a warping or extension of some part of that dimension. It is a physical 'entity', even if it's not something you can see or touch. And if you accept Big Bang theory, it wasn't just matter that began to rapidly expand at one point, but spacetime itself. Therefore, for the spacetime universe to be expanding, that includes time. Just because a concept is difficult to understand in lay terms doesn't mean it's not scientific or plausible. 220.236.186.14 11:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
No mention of the possible end caused by the quantum tunnelling of the vacuum of space into a final, lower energy state, thus annihilating the fabric of space time and all the matter in it, in a bubble of nothingness expanding out from a random point within the universe.
The QSS and plasma cosmology models are considered by mainstream scientific consensus to be models that are not as fully supported as the Big Bang model which is the one considered most in concordance with current observations. As such, it is appropriate to list these ideas as not in concordance with current observations. -- Joshuaschroeder 21:17, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
This article is obviously bias. It says nothing of Christian Eschatology or other Religious eschatology, for that matter, just Scientific humanist theories.Though it is grouped in that category, which it is not worthy of. I support NPOV and the only way to show or express this is by point and counterpoint with both sides being taken. This article should be revised, or be deleted, because it sure doesn't fit into the Neutral point of view policy. All I ask is that you show religious points, whether they be Christian or Non-Christian or the both of them. Эрон Кинней 11:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Partly, yes. But the article's title gives no indication that the source of the information and the content thereof is supposed to be scientific. When I read the article's title, I thought that it would supply all possibilities, not just one, because the title is the "fate of the universe" in-general, not the "scientific fate pf the universe". I don't believe religious theories are archaic, and I also believe that scientists and experts "in the field" are the only ones to be trusted on the subject matter, because the job of a neutral encyclopedia is to provide all possibilities, not to pick and choose its positions and define them however it pleases. However, you did make several good points, even so, I will not retract my position. My point being, the title does not hint in any way whatsoever that this article is solely scientific. It is a general title.
Эрон Кинней 23:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello there! This seems to be where all the "religious" discussion is, so i just thought i'd mention that i changed the word "story" to "narrative" in the religion section in order to make it sound slightly more academic. 24.147.136.145 19:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
There appears to be some confusion over the geometry of space and space-time curvature as defined in Einstein General Theory of Relativity. General Relativity holds. Space-time is curved. The ultimate fate of the universe is a combination of space-time curvature and rate of expansion. The geometry of space being held to be "nearly" flat, NOT exactly flat has nothing to do with space-time being curved which it is. Einstein's theory of general relativity holds strong today or your GPS system wouldn't work neither would your Sirius satellite radio.
Explanation from University of Chicago:
-- Voyajer 05:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Another helpful explanation is given here although I cannot vouch for the source which is unknown to me, but the explanation is correct:
-- Voyajer 06:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Also, when Einstein invented General Relativity and invented the spacetime curvature, he did so knowing that the ultimate fate of the universe (whether it would be expanding or contracting) was involved in the formulas. He was trying to prove in general relativity that spacetime was curved while at the same time inventing a cosmological constant to prove that the geometry of space itself was exactly flat and static. So he understood the geometry of space to be flat and static when he invented spacetime curvature. These are two different things.-- Voyajer 06:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I've just gone through the article and rewritten it; hopefully noone has any objections to what I've done, if so air them here. I would like to see the stuff on the open, flat and closed universes moved elsewhere (i.e. shape of the universe), with the stuff in that section about the end of the universe moved into the appropriate theory sections, but decided against going that far with this edit. Maybe I'll do it at some later point in time. Mike Peel 14:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I've altered this section of the article to be consistent with what's presented at Big Rip. In particular, several claims seem to have exhibited poetic license. In particular, elementary particles can't be "torn apart", only bound systems of particles, and a "big rip" scenario doesn't necessarily involve reaching an infinite rate of expansion within a finite length of time (just an ever-increasing rate). I'd also expect quarks to never become un-bound (new quark/antiquark pairs appear when a bond is stretched sufficiently), and to see very interesting phenomena resulting from the Unruh effect, but I'm not going to aggressively edit about these without citations (especially for the latter). -- Christopher Thomas 08:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
EXCUSE ME : (annonomous user) about there being a big rip, it is possible. however may i remind you that gravity is ever present no matter how far apart distance is between two objects their gravity may be small between eachother, but they will STILL affect eachother. so theoretically a big rip is IMPOSSIBLE. if we knew where the furthest planet/star/galaxy/any object from our earth was, we could say with confidence that our earth and that object both have gravitational effects on eachother, even if it's exponentially microscopic, its still there. so no matter how far apart the galaxies spread, eventually we will slow down and the galaxies will have to have SOME gravitational effect, so whatever the closest galaxy is, and wherever it is, they, along with us, will start to get pulled toward the center of the universe where the big bang began, and eventually we will collide with that galaxy and become one hitting multiple other galaxies until finally, we will be combined with everything in existance into one big super stellar object. thats what is "the big crunch". the "big rip" is impossible. sorry i know i sound like im babbleing senslessly and talking with no actual outline to what im saying but i just had to get this info out there. and also plz forgive my horrible spelling and grammer. -- (Unsigned) 23:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Anybody think that the universe, has retension, and that the rate of expansion will decelerate, until it slows down, and turns into the big crunch? sort of like the exploding ball screensaver on windows XP.
Please explain any errors in my thoughts, and please watch the language.
OMGitsCTC 04:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I made some spacing and signiture changes here to attempt to make it legible. One comment in particular had eight time signitures, so I pared it down to just one. I also want to answer a few questions posed here, which answers I posted in the appropriate places.
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==Early philosophical views== The [[monotheism|monotheistic]] [[religion]]s that emerged in the [[Middle East]] posit that the universe began a finite time ago, as the result of an act of divine will called the [[Creation]]. These religions also have [[eschatology|eschatological]] beliefs about the ultimate fate of at least the [[Earth]] and the [[Solar System]], if not the entire universe. On the other hand, [[Aristotle]] and other writers in the classical tradition held that the universe was eternal and unchanging. Before [[Einstein]] and his [[general relativity]], the modern science that emerged with [[Copernicus]] and [[Galileo]] gave little thought to the origin and ultimate fate of the universe. No one had any idea of what possible theory or evidence could be brought to bear on questions of this nature.
There are a number of problems with this: first is admits a very narrow bias in what it describes as "early" -- only Western, (mono)theistic and proto/early scientific ideas about this. I don't think that we need to talk about such views since they are subject to a different article on eschatological beliefs. It would be nice to have a clearinhouse about them just as we do origin beliefs, but I don't think this article is the appropriate venue. -- ScienceApologist 15:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have come across an interesting answer to the ultimate fate of our universe in a most unlikely source. It is mentioned in the Conversations with God books by Neale Donald Walsch.
For those who are unfamiliar with Neale Donald Walsch, he is an individual who claims that God speaks to him often and gives him answers about various subjects. Here, "God" tells him that the universe will end in the very far future (about trillions of solar years from now) and a new universe will be born again. God tells him that this is the in-going and out-going breath of God. This cyclic view of the fate of our universe is similar to Hindu thought about the fate of our cosmos. I added this small piece of information to find out if there is any scientific truth about this. In addition, God says that there would be enough gravity in the far future to force a total collapse of the entire cosmos. He/She/It (refering to God) also states that the universe is currently expanding at a phenomenal rate but this expansion will slow down and the universe will contract in the end. This process will go on forever. Any scientific views about this? -- S iva1979 Talk to me 14:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh, God, I'm so confused about how to use these talk pages but here's a shot.
Siva, if you're interested in a 'regenerating' universe, I suppose, without beginning or end, you should look into Brane cosmology, particularly the Cyclic Model. It's lots of string theory and whatnot, and in dispute, but still interesting to check out. 72.225.142.168 08:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Big Crunch article needs rewrite to support the Big Crunch main article. The article claims the theory has been disproved, or at least has great evidence against it, because of the general acceleration of the expansion of the universe. I would do this but I would probably appear to be a rambling drunk 80-year-old man in an airport bar ;) (hurray to everyone that gets the reference!)
-- Linkinpark342 (need to make account)
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why is everone so excited about learning how they will die? i dont see any point.... 203.103.49.154 06:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Could use votes to save this article, thanks MapleTree 22:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
So, do ALL "Ultimate Fate of the Universe" theories involve the definite death or organisms, either through heat death, compression, or a Big Rip?
If so, that's pretty daunting.
Still, the problem from my perspective is that nothing will be lasting- no contribution, no great work, no thought or concept. And if some models are right, the end will be an empty expanse with little more than photons in existence. No matter which way it's sliced or diced, the end result is essential nonexistence on a wide scale. That said, I'm also not worried about the death of humans, the destruction of Earth, or whatnot- I'd just like to know that SOME sort of intelligent life would continue existence, that there could be some sort of infinite cycle that would never conclude. Robinson0120 01:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
In the expansion of the universe continues to expand forever, what happens to virtual particles? Could the expansion reach such a high speed that virtual particles could be torn apart before they can anhiliate each other? It reminds me of Hawking Radiation, where the black hole absorbs one particle of a virtual pair, while the other escapes. If the expansion were rapid enough, the virtual particles could be quite distant within their lifespan.-- RLent 21:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the information on multi-level cosmology. Recently, a standalone article on multi-level cosmology was deleted, and was even considered as a scientific notability test case. After a unanimous vote for deletion, it was speedily deleted. Given the strong consensus about deletion, and for the reasons cited in this test case, I feel it's justified to delete the information from this article. Kevinwiatrowski 04:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The way the scientific bit of this article is structured around the geometry of the universe is fundamentally out of date. When you let the cosmological constant out of the bag, the connection between geometry and fate is completely broken. I've pointed this out without changing the existing structure at present. Arguably the existing structure should be thrown out, but I guess it has the advantage that many people think that geometry = fate and will just assume the article is wrong if this is not dismissed in words of one syllable. I will add a new section on the so-called cosmological uncertainty principle (think I can find a citation) which says that since we don't understand the equation of state, we shouldn't pretend to predict the fate of the universe... after all, inflation was a form of dark energy and it ended; the same might happen again. PaddyLeahy 17:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Looks like gibberish to me. Does it make sense to anyone else? Searched arXiv and ADS with no success for a relevant paper by "Hunt" in the last few years (fermbec = fermion BEC, not a person). PaddyLeahy 21:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Should it be understood from this article that there exists no possibility, for cosmology, that the Universe may be just a big infinite shapeless place that will not crunch or overheat and whose exact nature or fate may elude human comprehension? -- Childhood's End 13:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
82.12.86.64 15:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
It is a little hard to understand what is being said in this little discussion here. I think childhoods end has a good question. There does seem to be, however, a statement in the article that there may be no change to the present state of the universe and that it may go on as is.
However, that said, I don't think anyone here has addressed childhood's question. -cryofan -- 69.151.240.69 ( talk) 18:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed that someone proposed that this page be deleted on the basis that it is "not useful". I strongly disagree with the proposal for two reasons. Firstly, whether or not it is useful is, as far as I know, not relevant when it comes to deciding whether or not to delete articles. Secondly, and much more importantly, the article is both interesting and notable, therefore it should stay, imo. -- Hux 09:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I've revised the list of books in which the end is explored into a prose section that discusses both the timeline of the universal end's exploration in SF and the spectrum of approaches without being, or needing to be an exhaustive list of related works. I'd highly suggest that the subsequent sections are merged into this section as prose, rather than breaking them down by genre. Prose of this sort tends to discourage editors who feel that it's their duty to add their favorite novel or TV show to any list on Wikipedia. It's also more useful to explore the trends in and reasons for such fictional work than it is to simply list their titles and authors. - Harmil 16:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone should really comb through all those additional readings and see how many of them could be converted to inline citations of specific statements.--VectorPotential Talk 18:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 04:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The science-fiction title should be changed to be inline with the other sections that speculate about the end of the universe: "Non-scientific Perspectives on the End of the Universe" -- Perhaps this section could be merged with the religious perspectives. In any event, religious and non-scientific (science-fiction) theories should be given the same rhetorical weight or both removed.
Vanneev ( talk) 07:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
"Many religious beliefs are startlingly cataclysmic, and seem compatible with the various scientific theories about the end of the universe."
What does this mean? What religions? And how do they resemble scientific theories? Are there religions that preach heat death or the big crunch? Are there scientific theories that promote the destruction of the universe at the hands of Shiva, Yahweh or some other mythical deity? I don't think so. VatoFirme ( talk) 01:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
The word ultimate, means final, fate means death. However, both words are superfluous, as we have no idea IF it will end. Why is the Big Bang article satisfied by just saying The future which does not imply anything else? LouisBB ( talk) 09:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
The graph from the section "Role of the shape of the universe" shows the accelerating universe as a sinusoidal curve, with "Now" on the inflection point. In my opinion, it seems more likely that an accelerating universe would be concave all the way along, with a constantly rising gradient. Axl ( talk) 19:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone changed the SF project rating - i have re-rated it to start. It has only 3 citations, which doesn't come close to B class for a subject this wide, or even C class. Maybe other projects have lower standards, so i left those as B. Yob Mod 19:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay, Wikipedia: "It is also possible that all structures will be destroyed instantaneously, without any forewarning." Seriously, guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.45.191 ( talk) 03:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
you so dont understand wiki. its donated to. you have to know that this could be vandalism-- 69.208.10.6 ( talk) 00:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Roger Penrose has had a new theory for a few years now. From the title it's about the age before the big bang, but at the same time it's also about the "end" of the universe, i.e. the transition into the next aeon. I don't know enough about cosmology to extract the relevant information for a WP inclusion, so maybe one of you can go through it and include it in the article. See the first five hyperlinks here: Roger_Penrose#External_links (Newton Institute to BBC interview). I think it's quite a novel approach, although it does feel a bit reminescent of earlier theories. — 85.178.83.12 ( talk) 02:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Redshift is interpreted today as a proof that universe expands faster and faster, but really means that the distance between us and what we're measuring against is increasing faster and faster. And as it shifts more and more, faster and faster so the scientists have interpreted it as the universe expands faster and faster and then started to invent things like dark energy, which they do not have a single proof except for the misinterpretation of redshift. Here is another way to explain uniersums expansion WITHOUT DARK ENERGY! In order to explain as easy as possible can you imagine that after the big bang it was some sort of gravitational center of all mass in universe Which all was pulled towards, but the closer you get that center the faster you will be dragged against the ceneter / losing your speed(and power) you got in big bang, then we say we got normal speed(and power) in the big bang and we're measuring against someone who got more speed(and power) in the big bang should the distance between us and what we're measuring against increase faster and faster, the same thing if someone was "after" us, they would slow down faster than us and always get slowed more becouse they are closer to the center, because gravity is affected most by the distance! This gives the same redshift and does not require unproven energy. If this is true universe would gather together again in a big crunch!
Please comment on the discussion on my profile: shchengelska —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shchengelska ( talk • contribs) 00:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
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![]() Photons falling into a gravitational field become more energetic and exhibit a blueshifting. [1] Every proton has a mass and thus is a gravitational well gradually blueshifting its own matter wave. Eventually, the Compton wavelength of the proton will have shrunk to the Planck length, at which point the protons will become delocalised (dissolved in the ambient vacuum):
The radius of the proton experimentally determined by Robert Hofstadter is 7 × 10-16 m. [2] The Planck length inferred by Craig Hogan from the results of the Fermilab experiments is approximately equal to the radius of the proton:
Therefore, the protons are in a semi-delocalised state now, and this Bose-condensed state of the protons is Life. [3] As the universe's gravitational well evolves, its organisational structure becomes increasingly centralised. In plain words, the periphery of the universe becomes more disorganised and dumb, while the centre of the universe becomes more organised and informed. That is why Life could emerge only at the absolute centre of the universe's gravitational well, and the presence of Life on the Earth means that our planet is the absolute centre of the universe's static gravitoelectric field. Gravitoelectric field is nonlocal; [4] its strength is determined solely by the organised complexity of its source:
That is why the terrestrial Life orchestrates the whole universe; the informational progress of Life is a direct indicator of the exponentially accelerating evolution of the universe's gravitational well. Information is always recorded on some physical quantum substrate. A hard disk drive containing digital records is more negentropic at the quantum level than a blank HDD. Even a newspaper is more negentropic at the quantum level than a blank sheet of paper. Quantum information is conserved. [5] That is why when you write a word on a piece of paper, you decrease the amount of quantum information in the rest of the universe. A decrease of entropy on the Earth is accompanied by an increase of entropy in the rest of the universe. The entropy of a system is proportional to it's volume ( Leonard Susskind, 1995). That is why the exponential informational progress of mankind is the final crescendo of the exponentially accelerating expansion of the universe.
During the transitional period immediately preceding the final dissolution of the protons, they will be in a delocalised state, which will allow teleportation and psychokinesis. The universe will be governed by the Universal Wavefunction—God. In religion, this transitional period before the end of the world is known as the Millennium.-- Systemizer ( talk) 05:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exasecond_and_longer
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ATTENTION! I AM NOT A SI-FI FAN. THIS IS A THEORY! END OF THE UNIVERSE As you well know the end of the universe is inevitable as the stars blow up and cascade into gamma rays, our planet is in collision with very many of these "ticking time bombs" as scientist will portray to you that the milkey way it's self may one day implode. BIG BANG I have researched on some things and have found nothing that happened before the big bang posing one question... 'Is our entire universe a "cycle" to its self?' What i mean when i say that is: Maybe our universe is one big recycling chain, meaning our universe may implode on its self in the very distant future creating another big bang! Maybe the answer to the big question 'What is the Meaning of life?' is that it is all one big recycling act making all differant types of spiecies of creatures and planets every time the big bang happens. Of course this is just one of my theories... Solution I think that there is some part of space were this cycle may not happen and it lies within a worm hole... The worm holes lead to differant areas of space, like teleporters, so we can escape this fate by creating inter galactic space ships in which we can inhabbit to enter these worm holes avoiding the "cycle" of life, death and inbetween. One problem with this solution is that if somthing doesnt go 'according to plan':the way the universe wants it to be, we could very well break a hole in the space time continuum destroying everything that ever was. According to some "tips" form annonymous sources others may think that th only solution is to wait and develop as much as possible so as to create "time travel". Others think along the same lines and say we should just wait and carry on with what we are doing and people from the future will rescue us using "time travel". ALIENS Crop circles i have linked to be an alien language. Yes, some are man-made but some are just too complicated for man to make, also if man does make these where do the desighns and accurate scale come into play? If crop circles are an alien language then i suggest they are warning sighns to help us save our planet. 'ALIEN HEROES? Aliens may be tring to warn us or even save us from extinction from the big RIP of our universe. Billiones of years from now may seem a very long way away to evacuate the earth from total annihalation, but it is too short of time for us todo everything required like: Finding out how to break through the barriers of the other universes and develop high tec space craft to carry us to our "new home" Earth is getting ready to expire as is our universeas the big RIP grows ever so close ready to rip appart galaxys as it grows ever so close, yet very quickly. you may have herd of scientists who can make us live forever by taking a certain piece of cell DNA to stop us from ageing, this wont save us from extinction Dispite these facts we may be able to get help from 'Aliens' as they visit our planet. In my opinion to this i think that aliens are co-ordonating a electro magnetic field large enough to move our planet as they are examining very many places of the earth to be moved from its current universe to another were the aliens have inhabbited. For this we will have to adapt to the new enviroment. The Aliens (that i think are rescuing our planet) are not the agressive carniverous ones you see in SiFi movies/programmes, but are a gentle and inteligent 'new' race of "humans" rescuing an entire planet of creatures to preserve us fom extinction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.108.175 ( talk) 20:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC) CONCLUSION I think that we must make a move now as we are in jeprody of becoming extinct,
it would never come accross anybody's mind that humans would acctually become extinct in real life! BUT,
it will happen one day unless we act now and solve the questions which deem most important... —Preceding
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I refer you guys to this news story: [6]. Apparently, they've "proven" that the universe will continue expanding forever. We may need to reference this work and change the thrust of the article. Mouse Nightshirt | talk 13:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I read the article, and like much of modern science it is influenced by the dogmatic war between atheism and religious believes. Being an agnostic (not believing in anything at all), I can clearly see that this dogmatic war is a greatest damage for modern science. On one side we have religious figures who believe that God of their religion created everything and in their (creationist) science works they trying to prove that their holly books are correct. On the other side we have atheists who believe that an supernatural intelligence cannot exist and they trying to prove that everything was created by pure accident and that nothing cannot have any greater purpose. Interestingly, according to this article, both of these warring sides would agree that everything will end (with or without purpose). As an agnostic, I would ask one simple thing from both sides - proofs? So far, neither of the two sides did not presented any hard evidence related to the existence or fate of the universe and therefore this article is more close to science fiction than to the science. However, as a way in which this article can be improved, I would propose an new section named "Evidences" where readers would be informed are there any hard evidences for any of the presented theories - if there are no such evidences readers should be informed about that as well. Some opinions of some agnostic scientists should be included as well because if only atheist and religious opinions are presented readers would see only two ends of the stick while truth is usually somewhere between (I noticed that both, atheist scientists and creationists would have some good points regarding various subjects but what preventing both of them to see whole picture is their dogma). 195.178.62.134 ( talk) 17:13, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Dark Formal: Are we reading the same article? I don't see anything in the article that is dogmatically atheistic or involves "trying to prove that everything was created by pure accident and that nothing cannot have any greater purpose". And if you want more info, including evidence, just click on the wikilinks for the ideas and theories listed here. Dark Formal ( talk) 01:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, The Life in a mortal universe section is full of fringe theories with no references. IRWolfie- ( talk) 10:14, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Also bear in mind links to wikipedia shouldn't replace citations from third-party reliable sources. IRWolfie- ( talk) 12:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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Please place signature at end. The energy comes from nowhere. See zero-energy universe. -- cheers, Michael C. Price talk 09:48, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
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Please see WP:NOR. The purpose of Wikipedia is to summarize information that has already been published in appropriate sources. Regrettably, it isn't a good place to discuss your own personal ideas about physics or cosmology. If you want information about what science presently says about the universe, asking at the reference desk page may point you in the right direction. -- Christopher Thomas ( talk) 07:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
I sincerely apologize sir. But, maybe i was driven to express myself. But it won't happen again and i would improvise on my ways to edit the works in a more efficient way possible.
Gaurav Dhar (
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The Wikipedia ban on future history applies to this article in a big way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.11.197 ( talk) 10:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC) The laws of physics may depend on the current dispersed universe and may be or have been very different in the distant past or future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.11.197 ( talk) 10:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)