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I've long disliked the state this article is in, so I'm going to try to revamp it a bit. The first thing that must be done is figuring out what warrants inclusion into the article. Looking at Chess, an FA, as a model, I would go in this order: Rules (not including variants), Strategy, History, Competition (with subsections on different levels of play, tournaments, etc.) and Variants. I'm not sure where Spirit of the Game should be, perhaps a subsection of Rules. If no one says anything, I'm going to be bold and start. Mm40 ( talk) 12:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that there's any need to write the disc's weight in anything other than grams.
Unless anyone has any strong objections I will remove the (6 oz) note. Dlivnat ( talk) 15:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't have a strong objection to removing the 6 oz note (which is why I didn't start a new section with this being so old), but I would like to point out that this is the English language Wikipedia, and approximately 65% of English speakers use the US Customary Units as their primary system of measurement - 6 oz is far more informative to them than 175 grams. .אבי נ ( talk) 16:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Either way, the article must be consistent and we should stick to one way of spelling the word throughout the article. Personally, I vote for defense because:
I will change the section back to defense now. I suggest anyone who wishes to change this discuss it here first. Dlivnat ( talk) 20:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I've tried explaining to mimiken why their addition to the article is not notable enough for inclusion, that we can't list every long running pick up game simply because it is important to them or even notable locally. He/She continues to add the information back and I am unwilling to continue to revert. Beach drifter ( talk) 19:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
The 'Origins' part of this page should be deleted so I did just that. Then I got called out for vandalism? WTF? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.35.94 ( talk) 19:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else find the title really pretentious? The sport is frisbee -- 'ultimate' was added to distinguish the organized sport from playing it leisurely. At best, the wiki article should be "Ultimate Frisbee", with a parenthetical stating it's often shortened to "Ultimate". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.164.31.14 ( talk) 18:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
The same game played casually isn't even "Ultimate Frisbee", it's "Frisbee Football". Ultimate (with or without "Frisbee") is already the stuffy formal organized version of the casual game of Frisbee football. I'm wondering why this article doesn't even mention Frisbee football.
Shouldn't "mini ultimate" be included as a variant? http://www.ultipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Ultimate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.46.245.230 ( talk) 20:37, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
the last sentence in the first parragraph reads "Many people have a tendency to view it as the sport of pussies." i know everyone is entitled to their opinion but doesnt that break some of the rules of wikipedia. should it remain like that? i did a quick google search for "sport of pussies" and it doesnt seem to be an idiomatic expression or slang or anything like that, most of the results sounded like porn, and this wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.48.210.197 ( talk) 06:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
The AUDL (American Ultimate Disc League) will be playing it's inaugural season this fall. I believe it could be a noteworthy contribution to this article because it is the first attempt (to my knowledge) at a professional Ultimate league. Along with this, rule changes (such as the inclusion of referees) will significantly affect how the game is played. More information can be found here: http://theaudl.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1. Kbraunnj ( talk) 16:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I play Ultimate, and I have never heard of Epic Ultimate. The section has been added on 11th of July, by new members, with a lot of text for the section, and the outside Internet (including Ultipedia) knows nothing about it. It looks like a humorous hoax. -- Zbraniecki ( talk) 16:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
I came to this page hoping to find the dimensions of a regulation-sized field and was disappointed. If anyone knows the field dimensions I think it should be included in the article. I'm back. I found the dimensions on a wiki commons page. If these are correct I believe it should be added. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ultimate_field.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.172.51.144 ( talk) 01:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Don't know how to fix and add proper citations, but the field dimensions listed for USA Ultimate rules are incorrect. The correct field dimensions are at the following link: https://usaultimate.org/rules/#appendix_a 24.151.103.37 ( talk) 03:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
This section is basically just a history of the Frisbee -- not of Ultimate Frisbee or organized play; I'm not sure what purpose it serves in its current form. L.cash.m ( talk) 21:48, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
The photo in the infobox is not ideal for several reasons. The soccer goal may be confusing to people not familiar with the game, everyone is facing away from the camera (perhaps this was intentional for anonymity, nevertheless it is distancing), the personal articles on the ground are distracting, and the angle of the shot is not ideal to view the play.
We need a new intro pic. Upload your favorite ulty shots.
Here's one (not the best) to get started:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/Ultimateplay.jpg/800px-Ultimateplay.jpg Ggpauly ( talk) 02:42, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Each country that plays ultimate should have their own article. This article Ultimate in Japan was either a bad translation from Japanese or written by someone that doesn't have English as their first language. The Japanese are great competitors in ultimate and other disc sports and this article needs a re-write with references. Facts are wrong, there's no way ultimate was introduced to Japan in 1969, at the earliest it could have been introduced would be in the mid to late 1970s. Where's the evidence that it was introduced, by who? league start ups? tournament dates? promotions? Joel Silver did not invent ultimate, Jared Kass did and taught Silver the game at summer camp. This was not written by someone that knows ultimate, the language is weird and I see evidence of vandalism. There are not enough references. Ultimate in Japan should have it's own article but it should be re-written with facts. 24.116.25.28 ( talk) 12:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I agree that the early history of ultimate in japan should be included in the main ultimate (sport) article. There is a Japanese language article ultimate アルティメット but no Japanese history and no references, just incomplete US Ultimate history. It's mostly just a "how to" article. I know that Japans Frisbee history begins in the mid 70s when Wham-O sent some demonstrators there and Japan sent their first team to compete at the WFC Rose Bowl 76-77. 24.116.25.28 ( talk) 12:03, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
About the title, we still call it ultamite frisbee here i n the US. 73.254.189.112 ( talk) 01:35, 28 April 2016 (UTC)Anonomuyus
what is this for god sake?
Never heard on this one. And there was no Ho stack section.
I think This hexagon thing should be removed. Otherwise, we should list here another ten unheard of offensive stacks. German offense etc. etc. makes no sense.... Jazi Zilber ( talk) 05:29, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
An anon user is continually removing information from this page. It does need references, but was only just tagged for it and the tag should be given time before anything is removed. I invite the user to comment with their specific concerns here. 331dot ( talk) 18:56, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
WP:PROVEIT is very clear and is policy. "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source."(emphasis mine) The Strategy section was un-sourced, and the policy I quoted leaves no room for "I like it and it makes sense to me so it should be there even though it is unproven". Accusations of vandalism are unfounded and inappropriate when you are the ones violating policy. 162.18.172.11 ( talk) 14:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
From reading the Ken Westerfield page, it seems to mostly just be a history of Ultimate. I think most of it should be either moved into this article or just deleted, with the information more specific to Westerfield himself remaining a part of his article. 57purple ( talk) 00:15, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Only registered users should be able to edit here.
Look at the last 10-15 edits. All IP edits were vandalism.
I am also including this nut that keeps deleting sections he does not like. And never heard on the tag of asking ofr references.
Please help folks Jazi Zilber ( talk) 13:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Anonymous editors come here and delete sections wholesale because they want references.
Wikipedia does NOT work like that.
IF a part lacks referenes, you tag it as " [2]" to note that it needs proper sources.
ALSO, you notify the issue in the talk page.
IF this lack of references is not rectified, the correct way is to look up the references yourself instead of punishing the page.
Only after all the above can deletion be used. Jazi Zilber ( talk) 16:45, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I recall it being 4 - 1 -2 structure (4 handlers, 1 mid, and 2 deeps on both sides).
I think the current feature german isolation mixes it up.
Iso is a single cut feature. where one cutter is isolated. it can happen in various structures. German is a general offense structure.
The text in the article sounds muddy to me Jazi Zilber ( talk) 13:13, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
In the picture of playing field the endzones are 23m deep, which is wrong, because that would add up to (23+64+23)m = 110m, The correct size is 18m, (18+64+18) = 100m — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:CC23:AC8F:2C84:1695:A690:45DC ( talk) 11:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
The rules, as far as I recall (not 100% sure), give a minimum, but not a maximum or a standard. So there might be deviations. There are also differences between WFDF, AUDL, and the (now defunct) MLU.
Add in, yards to Meter conversion, and you get a decent mess.... Jazi Zilber ( talk) 18:38, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
The WFDF Rules have their field length as 100 m. The USA ultimate have the field length as 110m, with a proposal to change it to 100m in the 2020-2021 rules. Nolookscoobs ( talk) 11:13, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Could {@ Graham87: or @ DerHexer: please explain why the article was deleted, as I don't see a clear explanation in the deletion log? I tripped over this when I noticed that @ Username Needed: had deleted a large number of links to the article. Even if the current article was deleted I can't see the logic of deleting all the redlinks, as the number of links suggested that an article was wanted. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 11:44, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Article states: mixed ultimate, usually it is 4-3, meaning either 4 men and 3 women at a time or 4 women and 3 men on the line.
"Usually" meaning that is what is commonly agreed upon between teams, or what is usually rule on official tournaments? Is it necessary for both teams to have the same number of men/women? 95.178.180.187 ( talk) 05:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The above Candaian college Ultimate team has survived two AfDs and is facing a third. It would be nice if the keep arguments for sports organisations that don't fit Wikipedia:NSPORT were clearer, so that the keep and delete contingents don't keep talking past each other. — Charles Stewart (talk) 11:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
As much as Felix says it's revolutionary, flex defence is just an amalgamation of other ideas about defence, like switching and bracketing. This content is mostly covered by the other sections of defence in my opinion. Tasmanmillen ( talk) 02:56, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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I've long disliked the state this article is in, so I'm going to try to revamp it a bit. The first thing that must be done is figuring out what warrants inclusion into the article. Looking at Chess, an FA, as a model, I would go in this order: Rules (not including variants), Strategy, History, Competition (with subsections on different levels of play, tournaments, etc.) and Variants. I'm not sure where Spirit of the Game should be, perhaps a subsection of Rules. If no one says anything, I'm going to be bold and start. Mm40 ( talk) 12:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that there's any need to write the disc's weight in anything other than grams.
Unless anyone has any strong objections I will remove the (6 oz) note. Dlivnat ( talk) 15:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't have a strong objection to removing the 6 oz note (which is why I didn't start a new section with this being so old), but I would like to point out that this is the English language Wikipedia, and approximately 65% of English speakers use the US Customary Units as their primary system of measurement - 6 oz is far more informative to them than 175 grams. .אבי נ ( talk) 16:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Either way, the article must be consistent and we should stick to one way of spelling the word throughout the article. Personally, I vote for defense because:
I will change the section back to defense now. I suggest anyone who wishes to change this discuss it here first. Dlivnat ( talk) 20:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I've tried explaining to mimiken why their addition to the article is not notable enough for inclusion, that we can't list every long running pick up game simply because it is important to them or even notable locally. He/She continues to add the information back and I am unwilling to continue to revert. Beach drifter ( talk) 19:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
The 'Origins' part of this page should be deleted so I did just that. Then I got called out for vandalism? WTF? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.35.94 ( talk) 19:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else find the title really pretentious? The sport is frisbee -- 'ultimate' was added to distinguish the organized sport from playing it leisurely. At best, the wiki article should be "Ultimate Frisbee", with a parenthetical stating it's often shortened to "Ultimate". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.164.31.14 ( talk) 18:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
The same game played casually isn't even "Ultimate Frisbee", it's "Frisbee Football". Ultimate (with or without "Frisbee") is already the stuffy formal organized version of the casual game of Frisbee football. I'm wondering why this article doesn't even mention Frisbee football.
Shouldn't "mini ultimate" be included as a variant? http://www.ultipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Ultimate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.46.245.230 ( talk) 20:37, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
the last sentence in the first parragraph reads "Many people have a tendency to view it as the sport of pussies." i know everyone is entitled to their opinion but doesnt that break some of the rules of wikipedia. should it remain like that? i did a quick google search for "sport of pussies" and it doesnt seem to be an idiomatic expression or slang or anything like that, most of the results sounded like porn, and this wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.48.210.197 ( talk) 06:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
The AUDL (American Ultimate Disc League) will be playing it's inaugural season this fall. I believe it could be a noteworthy contribution to this article because it is the first attempt (to my knowledge) at a professional Ultimate league. Along with this, rule changes (such as the inclusion of referees) will significantly affect how the game is played. More information can be found here: http://theaudl.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1. Kbraunnj ( talk) 16:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I play Ultimate, and I have never heard of Epic Ultimate. The section has been added on 11th of July, by new members, with a lot of text for the section, and the outside Internet (including Ultipedia) knows nothing about it. It looks like a humorous hoax. -- Zbraniecki ( talk) 16:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
I came to this page hoping to find the dimensions of a regulation-sized field and was disappointed. If anyone knows the field dimensions I think it should be included in the article. I'm back. I found the dimensions on a wiki commons page. If these are correct I believe it should be added. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ultimate_field.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.172.51.144 ( talk) 01:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Don't know how to fix and add proper citations, but the field dimensions listed for USA Ultimate rules are incorrect. The correct field dimensions are at the following link: https://usaultimate.org/rules/#appendix_a 24.151.103.37 ( talk) 03:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
This section is basically just a history of the Frisbee -- not of Ultimate Frisbee or organized play; I'm not sure what purpose it serves in its current form. L.cash.m ( talk) 21:48, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
The photo in the infobox is not ideal for several reasons. The soccer goal may be confusing to people not familiar with the game, everyone is facing away from the camera (perhaps this was intentional for anonymity, nevertheless it is distancing), the personal articles on the ground are distracting, and the angle of the shot is not ideal to view the play.
We need a new intro pic. Upload your favorite ulty shots.
Here's one (not the best) to get started:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/Ultimateplay.jpg/800px-Ultimateplay.jpg Ggpauly ( talk) 02:42, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Each country that plays ultimate should have their own article. This article Ultimate in Japan was either a bad translation from Japanese or written by someone that doesn't have English as their first language. The Japanese are great competitors in ultimate and other disc sports and this article needs a re-write with references. Facts are wrong, there's no way ultimate was introduced to Japan in 1969, at the earliest it could have been introduced would be in the mid to late 1970s. Where's the evidence that it was introduced, by who? league start ups? tournament dates? promotions? Joel Silver did not invent ultimate, Jared Kass did and taught Silver the game at summer camp. This was not written by someone that knows ultimate, the language is weird and I see evidence of vandalism. There are not enough references. Ultimate in Japan should have it's own article but it should be re-written with facts. 24.116.25.28 ( talk) 12:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I agree that the early history of ultimate in japan should be included in the main ultimate (sport) article. There is a Japanese language article ultimate アルティメット but no Japanese history and no references, just incomplete US Ultimate history. It's mostly just a "how to" article. I know that Japans Frisbee history begins in the mid 70s when Wham-O sent some demonstrators there and Japan sent their first team to compete at the WFC Rose Bowl 76-77. 24.116.25.28 ( talk) 12:03, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
About the title, we still call it ultamite frisbee here i n the US. 73.254.189.112 ( talk) 01:35, 28 April 2016 (UTC)Anonomuyus
what is this for god sake?
Never heard on this one. And there was no Ho stack section.
I think This hexagon thing should be removed. Otherwise, we should list here another ten unheard of offensive stacks. German offense etc. etc. makes no sense.... Jazi Zilber ( talk) 05:29, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
An anon user is continually removing information from this page. It does need references, but was only just tagged for it and the tag should be given time before anything is removed. I invite the user to comment with their specific concerns here. 331dot ( talk) 18:56, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
WP:PROVEIT is very clear and is policy. "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source."(emphasis mine) The Strategy section was un-sourced, and the policy I quoted leaves no room for "I like it and it makes sense to me so it should be there even though it is unproven". Accusations of vandalism are unfounded and inappropriate when you are the ones violating policy. 162.18.172.11 ( talk) 14:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
From reading the Ken Westerfield page, it seems to mostly just be a history of Ultimate. I think most of it should be either moved into this article or just deleted, with the information more specific to Westerfield himself remaining a part of his article. 57purple ( talk) 00:15, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Only registered users should be able to edit here.
Look at the last 10-15 edits. All IP edits were vandalism.
I am also including this nut that keeps deleting sections he does not like. And never heard on the tag of asking ofr references.
Please help folks Jazi Zilber ( talk) 13:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Anonymous editors come here and delete sections wholesale because they want references.
Wikipedia does NOT work like that.
IF a part lacks referenes, you tag it as " [2]" to note that it needs proper sources.
ALSO, you notify the issue in the talk page.
IF this lack of references is not rectified, the correct way is to look up the references yourself instead of punishing the page.
Only after all the above can deletion be used. Jazi Zilber ( talk) 16:45, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I recall it being 4 - 1 -2 structure (4 handlers, 1 mid, and 2 deeps on both sides).
I think the current feature german isolation mixes it up.
Iso is a single cut feature. where one cutter is isolated. it can happen in various structures. German is a general offense structure.
The text in the article sounds muddy to me Jazi Zilber ( talk) 13:13, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
In the picture of playing field the endzones are 23m deep, which is wrong, because that would add up to (23+64+23)m = 110m, The correct size is 18m, (18+64+18) = 100m — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:CC23:AC8F:2C84:1695:A690:45DC ( talk) 11:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
The rules, as far as I recall (not 100% sure), give a minimum, but not a maximum or a standard. So there might be deviations. There are also differences between WFDF, AUDL, and the (now defunct) MLU.
Add in, yards to Meter conversion, and you get a decent mess.... Jazi Zilber ( talk) 18:38, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
The WFDF Rules have their field length as 100 m. The USA ultimate have the field length as 110m, with a proposal to change it to 100m in the 2020-2021 rules. Nolookscoobs ( talk) 11:13, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Could {@ Graham87: or @ DerHexer: please explain why the article was deleted, as I don't see a clear explanation in the deletion log? I tripped over this when I noticed that @ Username Needed: had deleted a large number of links to the article. Even if the current article was deleted I can't see the logic of deleting all the redlinks, as the number of links suggested that an article was wanted. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 11:44, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Article states: mixed ultimate, usually it is 4-3, meaning either 4 men and 3 women at a time or 4 women and 3 men on the line.
"Usually" meaning that is what is commonly agreed upon between teams, or what is usually rule on official tournaments? Is it necessary for both teams to have the same number of men/women? 95.178.180.187 ( talk) 05:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The above Candaian college Ultimate team has survived two AfDs and is facing a third. It would be nice if the keep arguments for sports organisations that don't fit Wikipedia:NSPORT were clearer, so that the keep and delete contingents don't keep talking past each other. — Charles Stewart (talk) 11:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
As much as Felix says it's revolutionary, flex defence is just an amalgamation of other ideas about defence, like switching and bracketing. This content is mostly covered by the other sections of defence in my opinion. Tasmanmillen ( talk) 02:56, 3 December 2023 (UTC)