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There should be less of a distinction in this article between the two scales considering they are identical (1 2 b3 #4 5 6 b7).
How it currently is might be confusing for people who are not able to quickly realise that "C D Eb F# G A Bb" and "D E F G# A B C" are parallel.
Ideally the 'Misheberak scale' section should be renamed 'Use in Jewish and Roman music'.
220.101.84.46 ( talk) 00:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
The quote from reference #3 (Gottlieb, Jack (2004). Funny, it doesn't sound Jewish, p.221, n.65) which says that this scale is similar to the hijaz makam is not accurate. The Ukrainian Dorian scale is similar to the nikriz makam. How do we go about saying this in the article? -- kupirijo ( talk) 14:23, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Can anyone point me to a Ukrainian folk song or otherwise that uses this scale? I've been listening to Slavic music for a few years now and I don't associate this with Ukraine. Bulgaria, Romania, Makedonia,Hungary, sure. I mostly hear melodic and harmonic minor in the music of Ukraine, so far. To be honest, I thought this scale would be found in "Hungarian minor," but that article describes something not often heard in Hungarian music.
I find this all very confusing, and seeing that this language is making it into Novation manuals and educating the next generation of musicians, I think getting the story straight is important. If an honest mistake has been made, it should be corrected.
Who named it "Ukrainian"? Can this be defended by actual regional musical practices? If not, this page should be renamed or deleted altogether. 2601:647:C900:B6C0:A9E3:80B6:FB5A:88D8 ( talk) 03:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I was finding the article kind of a mess before, so I spent a while coming up with a draft that heavily revised it with what I think is a more coherent organization and a lot more academic sources. See this edit. However, I admit I'm stronger on music history than on music theory, so if I got any of the theory wrong or if someone wants to add back some of the musical descriptions I removed, feel free. Dan Carkner ( talk) 03:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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There should be less of a distinction in this article between the two scales considering they are identical (1 2 b3 #4 5 6 b7).
How it currently is might be confusing for people who are not able to quickly realise that "C D Eb F# G A Bb" and "D E F G# A B C" are parallel.
Ideally the 'Misheberak scale' section should be renamed 'Use in Jewish and Roman music'.
220.101.84.46 ( talk) 00:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
The quote from reference #3 (Gottlieb, Jack (2004). Funny, it doesn't sound Jewish, p.221, n.65) which says that this scale is similar to the hijaz makam is not accurate. The Ukrainian Dorian scale is similar to the nikriz makam. How do we go about saying this in the article? -- kupirijo ( talk) 14:23, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Can anyone point me to a Ukrainian folk song or otherwise that uses this scale? I've been listening to Slavic music for a few years now and I don't associate this with Ukraine. Bulgaria, Romania, Makedonia,Hungary, sure. I mostly hear melodic and harmonic minor in the music of Ukraine, so far. To be honest, I thought this scale would be found in "Hungarian minor," but that article describes something not often heard in Hungarian music.
I find this all very confusing, and seeing that this language is making it into Novation manuals and educating the next generation of musicians, I think getting the story straight is important. If an honest mistake has been made, it should be corrected.
Who named it "Ukrainian"? Can this be defended by actual regional musical practices? If not, this page should be renamed or deleted altogether. 2601:647:C900:B6C0:A9E3:80B6:FB5A:88D8 ( talk) 03:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I was finding the article kind of a mess before, so I spent a while coming up with a draft that heavily revised it with what I think is a more coherent organization and a lot more academic sources. See this edit. However, I admit I'm stronger on music history than on music theory, so if I got any of the theory wrong or if someone wants to add back some of the musical descriptions I removed, feel free. Dan Carkner ( talk) 03:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)