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This article sais "The explosion was so powerful it blew out windows in Asha, eight miles (13 km) away.[3] The explosion is said to have been equal to 10 kilotons of TNT,"
Where is the reference to point that fact. the references in the article do not support this argument
Thx
Fttxguru ( talk) 18:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I think I found the source for my question
Here it is
http://www.energy-daily.com/reports/Analysis_Gazprom_explosion_in_Moscow_999.html
Fttxguru ( talk) 19:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Hmmmm, well. Some questions about that.
I dunno. I wonder if the 10kt figure was something someone somewhere said as a guestimate, and it got passed around, and Energy Daily picked it up. I'd like to see an actual report or something that cites an actual report before I put it back in the article. But I'm a bit of a stickler, so it's arguable that your citation is OK. (There's nothing about the 13km window breaking, though). Herostratus ( talk) 04:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm, the Soviet source deadlinks, which leaves us with the American sources, which 1) gives casualty totals a lot lower than 1,200 and 2) indicates tat the casualties were basically all on the trains - and not even all the passengers died, which doesn't seem to jibe with an atomic-bomb level explosion. We need to get some proper Russian sources in this article. Herostratus ( talk) 04:29, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
This source: (MediaKorSet) says that the Soviet military estimated the blast at 20 megatons (мегатонн), which is obviously a misprint (the Tsar Bomba itself was only 50 megatons). But then it goes on to say "about half the size of Hiroshima" so even if they meant 20 kilotons that's wrong, as Hiroshima was about 13 kilotons. So I dunno. I can't really take that source as reliable.
Then you have this source, which says that according to "unofficial" data, the explosion was "about the same as in Hiroshima - about 12 kilotons".
So hmmmm. It was a big bang, there's no doubt about that. How big I don't feel confident in saying at this point. The Russian Wikipedia article here has a plethora of sources (all in Russian of course) so maybe this can be teased out - or perhaps not. Herostratus ( talk) 04:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
There's a working source in English here. I added some material from it, but you may want to rewrite what I wrote because it's a bit clumsy. Nanobear ( talk) 22:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
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This article sais "The explosion was so powerful it blew out windows in Asha, eight miles (13 km) away.[3] The explosion is said to have been equal to 10 kilotons of TNT,"
Where is the reference to point that fact. the references in the article do not support this argument
Thx
Fttxguru ( talk) 18:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I think I found the source for my question
Here it is
http://www.energy-daily.com/reports/Analysis_Gazprom_explosion_in_Moscow_999.html
Fttxguru ( talk) 19:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Hmmmm, well. Some questions about that.
I dunno. I wonder if the 10kt figure was something someone somewhere said as a guestimate, and it got passed around, and Energy Daily picked it up. I'd like to see an actual report or something that cites an actual report before I put it back in the article. But I'm a bit of a stickler, so it's arguable that your citation is OK. (There's nothing about the 13km window breaking, though). Herostratus ( talk) 04:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm, the Soviet source deadlinks, which leaves us with the American sources, which 1) gives casualty totals a lot lower than 1,200 and 2) indicates tat the casualties were basically all on the trains - and not even all the passengers died, which doesn't seem to jibe with an atomic-bomb level explosion. We need to get some proper Russian sources in this article. Herostratus ( talk) 04:29, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
This source: (MediaKorSet) says that the Soviet military estimated the blast at 20 megatons (мегатонн), which is obviously a misprint (the Tsar Bomba itself was only 50 megatons). But then it goes on to say "about half the size of Hiroshima" so even if they meant 20 kilotons that's wrong, as Hiroshima was about 13 kilotons. So I dunno. I can't really take that source as reliable.
Then you have this source, which says that according to "unofficial" data, the explosion was "about the same as in Hiroshima - about 12 kilotons".
So hmmmm. It was a big bang, there's no doubt about that. How big I don't feel confident in saying at this point. The Russian Wikipedia article here has a plethora of sources (all in Russian of course) so maybe this can be teased out - or perhaps not. Herostratus ( talk) 04:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
There's a working source in English here. I added some material from it, but you may want to rewrite what I wrote because it's a bit clumsy. Nanobear ( talk) 22:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
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the accident was of liquefied petroleum gas not liquefied natural gas
— 62.190.10.139 ( talk) 09:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Geodata-check request declined — Not a coordinates issue, coordinates appear to be correct. — TransporterMan ( TALK) 18:00, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
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