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![]() | On 26 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from USS Cyclops (AC-4) to USS Cyclops. The result of the discussion was moved. |
What I would like to use for a discussion page for the Cyclops is the allegation it may have been discovered by a diver off the Virginia Capes in 1968 while engaged in the search for the lost submarine USS Scorpion. It is possible that other divers may have seen the same wreck without realizing it. Carajou 18:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Just a thought was she sunk by liquifaction of the Manganese Ore cargo .... That can flip a vessel in no time ??? Stormbringer260264 ( talk) 20:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I removed the following entry until such time that a citation is provided:
Mdhennessey 18:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I did the same thing for this entry:
Plus shortened the Quantum Leap entry. The writer could have just mentioned both briefly, but got involved with needless wordage that was more akin to Dick and Jane than anything remotely serious. Carajou 13:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Since the books and movies are their own references, since you can literally (not figuratively) read or view the mentioned sources and see them, this information should be restored. I'll give it a week, and unless any real objection is found, I'll do it.
"Worley called on the United States Ambassador to Barbados" - no he didn't, Barbados wasn't independent until 1966. So who did he call on? Totnesmartin 19:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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The end of the second paragraph in the "Accusations" section states "the crews of these ships reported that Worley suffered from a personality allegedly akin to that of HMS Bounty's captain William Bligh; the crew was often brutalized by Worley for trivial things". However, the wiki article on William Bligh states that "The Bounty's log shows that Bligh resorted to punishments relatively sparingly. He scolded when other captains would have whipped and whipped when other captains would have hanged." So which is it? Was he a gentle leader with his crew's best interest at heart or an irrational tyrant? It seems very unencyclopedic for two articles to so blatantly contradict each other. Personally I'm leaning towards the William Bligh article as being closer to the truth, but I'm not an expert, which is why I'm posting here so that hopefully someone more knowledgeable than myself can fix it. Bookbaby2004 ( talk) 08:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
This sentence... "She then sailed to Brazilian waters to fuel British ships in the south Atlantic, receiving the thanks of the State Department and CINCPAC.[2][3]" ...struck me as possibly in error. If they were operating in southern Atlantic waters then why did the Pacific command issue the thanks? I checked both those refs to try and verify but neither mentioned anything of the sort. Hmmmm... Sector001 ( talk) 22:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
We should in some way be able to note that, although the loss is traditionally associated with the Bermuda Triangle, that there is no record, contemporary or through wreckage, as to how early or late in the journey this boat met its fate, and that any such association is speculative. Kevin McE ( talk) 20:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes, the vessel's route went through the so-called Bermuda Triangle but since we don't know what happened, there is no evidence it was lost anywhere near there. I'll remove the reference in the intro. Gymnophoria ( talk) 12:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 03:50, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
– This vessel seems to be the overwhelming WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here; the other Cyclops was known by that name for only roughly 2 months while it was not particularly active, while this Cyclops has become rather well known due to the Bermuda Triangle crap and general other conspiracy theories. Every method of judging a primary topic that I can think of results in this vessel being the clear primary topic. Hog Farm Talk 21:54, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
There has been an difference of view on whether this ship was the second or third of the Proteus-class ( Dual Freq quite reasonably reverted an unexplained IP change). I have tagged that sentence because this also raises a more basic point: whether there even was such a class. DANFS and other refs used do not mention it (Navsource includes it but that is not sufficiently reliable for this kind of question). Can anyone provide citations? Whether Cyclops was second or third rather caught my eye because she was built and in service almost a year before any of the others were even laid down. But perhaps I have missed some nuance here. - Davidships ( talk) 01:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
At citation 15, theres a citation issue that reads,
" {{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |agency=
ignored (
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If someone could fix this, that'd be great. I have no idea how to fix it. Unbreakify ( talk) 14:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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What I would like to use for a discussion page for the Cyclops is the allegation it may have been discovered by a diver off the Virginia Capes in 1968 while engaged in the search for the lost submarine USS Scorpion. It is possible that other divers may have seen the same wreck without realizing it. Carajou 18:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Just a thought was she sunk by liquifaction of the Manganese Ore cargo .... That can flip a vessel in no time ??? Stormbringer260264 ( talk) 20:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I removed the following entry until such time that a citation is provided:
Mdhennessey 18:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I did the same thing for this entry:
Plus shortened the Quantum Leap entry. The writer could have just mentioned both briefly, but got involved with needless wordage that was more akin to Dick and Jane than anything remotely serious. Carajou 13:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Since the books and movies are their own references, since you can literally (not figuratively) read or view the mentioned sources and see them, this information should be restored. I'll give it a week, and unless any real objection is found, I'll do it.
"Worley called on the United States Ambassador to Barbados" - no he didn't, Barbados wasn't independent until 1966. So who did he call on? Totnesmartin 19:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Is the use of "she" correct within the context of an encyclopedia?
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BetacommandBot 21:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The end of the second paragraph in the "Accusations" section states "the crews of these ships reported that Worley suffered from a personality allegedly akin to that of HMS Bounty's captain William Bligh; the crew was often brutalized by Worley for trivial things". However, the wiki article on William Bligh states that "The Bounty's log shows that Bligh resorted to punishments relatively sparingly. He scolded when other captains would have whipped and whipped when other captains would have hanged." So which is it? Was he a gentle leader with his crew's best interest at heart or an irrational tyrant? It seems very unencyclopedic for two articles to so blatantly contradict each other. Personally I'm leaning towards the William Bligh article as being closer to the truth, but I'm not an expert, which is why I'm posting here so that hopefully someone more knowledgeable than myself can fix it. Bookbaby2004 ( talk) 08:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
This sentence... "She then sailed to Brazilian waters to fuel British ships in the south Atlantic, receiving the thanks of the State Department and CINCPAC.[2][3]" ...struck me as possibly in error. If they were operating in southern Atlantic waters then why did the Pacific command issue the thanks? I checked both those refs to try and verify but neither mentioned anything of the sort. Hmmmm... Sector001 ( talk) 22:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
We should in some way be able to note that, although the loss is traditionally associated with the Bermuda Triangle, that there is no record, contemporary or through wreckage, as to how early or late in the journey this boat met its fate, and that any such association is speculative. Kevin McE ( talk) 20:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes, the vessel's route went through the so-called Bermuda Triangle but since we don't know what happened, there is no evidence it was lost anywhere near there. I'll remove the reference in the intro. Gymnophoria ( talk) 12:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 03:50, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
– This vessel seems to be the overwhelming WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here; the other Cyclops was known by that name for only roughly 2 months while it was not particularly active, while this Cyclops has become rather well known due to the Bermuda Triangle crap and general other conspiracy theories. Every method of judging a primary topic that I can think of results in this vessel being the clear primary topic. Hog Farm Talk 21:54, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
There has been an difference of view on whether this ship was the second or third of the Proteus-class ( Dual Freq quite reasonably reverted an unexplained IP change). I have tagged that sentence because this also raises a more basic point: whether there even was such a class. DANFS and other refs used do not mention it (Navsource includes it but that is not sufficiently reliable for this kind of question). Can anyone provide citations? Whether Cyclops was second or third rather caught my eye because she was built and in service almost a year before any of the others were even laid down. But perhaps I have missed some nuance here. - Davidships ( talk) 01:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
At citation 15, theres a citation issue that reads,
" {{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |agency=
ignored (
help)"
If someone could fix this, that'd be great. I have no idea how to fix it. Unbreakify ( talk) 14:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)