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"After the war, Constellation saw various duties such as carrying famine relief stores to Ireland and carrying American works of art to the Paris Exposition of 1895."
- I can't find any reference to an 1895 Paris Exposition. Any fact checking for this? dml 04:13, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I think more mention should be made of the former U.S.F. Constellation Foundation (which had maintained the ship until the 1990s and treated it as a refitted 1797 ship) board being replaced by advocates of the it's-a-new-ship theory who renamed the foundation (dropping the "United States Frigate" initials as they did not regard the ship as the old frigate). The "conclusive proof" (which doesn't change the official contemporary Naval policy that the ship was refitted (replacing everything from the waterline to the top of the masts,yes,but officially refitted...Congress refused to fund a new ship)) was thus what those paying for the renovation wanted to hear,and research drawing attention to the ties to the old frigate would likely have been ignored.--Louis E./le@put.com/ 12.144.5.2 03:22, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Not trying to pour more gas on the fire but some of the reading I've been doing lately seems to point towards ships in this era being "refitted" rather than constructing a "new" ship. Instead of asking Congress for funds to build "new" ships the Navy would ask for funds to "refit" a ship. In reality this meant that ship builders were actually laying new keels to "refit" an older version of a ship. This was noted as being done to the frigate Congress as well as Constellation. In order to keep up the "refitting" charade the ships were not struck from the vessel register and were being "refitted" during that time period. This seems to have been a very common practice in that era. -- Brad ( talk) 20:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Relevant to this discussion, I cut the " Ship of Theseus" link from the head of the "Controversy" section, since that mischaracterizes what the issue of identity is all about. No one is claiming that the original frigate was so heavily reconstructed that it became a different ship: if the present sloop were known for certain to be a reconstruction of the frigate then there would be no issue. The "two ships" theory is that the sloop was an entirely new ship, built from all new material, and re-using no significant material from the frigate if any at all. 192.91.172.36 ( talk) 08:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
The link to Fouled Anchors [1] is dead. I'm wondering about changing the reference to the presentation here from Brad's comment above, which gives the main points of the report. AkaSylvia ( talk) 12:55, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
I recently watched a PBS "documentary" on Constellation and her 1859-1861 service with the US African Squadron. The show consistently showed her rigged as a barque while her current rig, and that shown in all the pictures of her I could find, is that of a full-rigged ship. Howard Chapelle in "A History of the American Sailing Navy states "No bark was employed in the sailing Navy in America" with one exception (not Constellation. I suspect the discrepancy is due to an error in the documentary but I thought I would bring it up here in case anyone had any evidence that Constellation was barque-rigged during her African service. OldVato ( talk) 00:00, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
A sloop of war refers to ships generally smaller than the USS Constellation, which is a ship nearly the size of a frigate, and a ship pierced for 22-24 guns is more accurately a corvette. The term should be replaced on the page. MKleid ( talk) 07:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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I believe the mention of going to the Paris Exposition is exclusive of DANFS. Confusing the names Constitution and Constellation happens a lot; even to me. In the extensive research I did for Constitution, there is no mention of Constellation escorting Constitution to Paris. Constitution most certainly made the trip but DANFS is the only source that says Constellation went there. I believe DANFS is mistaken. Hope this makes sense. Brad ( talk) 20:43, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Why was this done with no discussion? I tried to revert but cannot. Can an administrator fix this? GenQuest "Talk to Me" 10:14, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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"After the war, Constellation saw various duties such as carrying famine relief stores to Ireland and carrying American works of art to the Paris Exposition of 1895."
- I can't find any reference to an 1895 Paris Exposition. Any fact checking for this? dml 04:13, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I think more mention should be made of the former U.S.F. Constellation Foundation (which had maintained the ship until the 1990s and treated it as a refitted 1797 ship) board being replaced by advocates of the it's-a-new-ship theory who renamed the foundation (dropping the "United States Frigate" initials as they did not regard the ship as the old frigate). The "conclusive proof" (which doesn't change the official contemporary Naval policy that the ship was refitted (replacing everything from the waterline to the top of the masts,yes,but officially refitted...Congress refused to fund a new ship)) was thus what those paying for the renovation wanted to hear,and research drawing attention to the ties to the old frigate would likely have been ignored.--Louis E./le@put.com/ 12.144.5.2 03:22, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Not trying to pour more gas on the fire but some of the reading I've been doing lately seems to point towards ships in this era being "refitted" rather than constructing a "new" ship. Instead of asking Congress for funds to build "new" ships the Navy would ask for funds to "refit" a ship. In reality this meant that ship builders were actually laying new keels to "refit" an older version of a ship. This was noted as being done to the frigate Congress as well as Constellation. In order to keep up the "refitting" charade the ships were not struck from the vessel register and were being "refitted" during that time period. This seems to have been a very common practice in that era. -- Brad ( talk) 20:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Relevant to this discussion, I cut the " Ship of Theseus" link from the head of the "Controversy" section, since that mischaracterizes what the issue of identity is all about. No one is claiming that the original frigate was so heavily reconstructed that it became a different ship: if the present sloop were known for certain to be a reconstruction of the frigate then there would be no issue. The "two ships" theory is that the sloop was an entirely new ship, built from all new material, and re-using no significant material from the frigate if any at all. 192.91.172.36 ( talk) 08:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
The link to Fouled Anchors [1] is dead. I'm wondering about changing the reference to the presentation here from Brad's comment above, which gives the main points of the report. AkaSylvia ( talk) 12:55, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
I recently watched a PBS "documentary" on Constellation and her 1859-1861 service with the US African Squadron. The show consistently showed her rigged as a barque while her current rig, and that shown in all the pictures of her I could find, is that of a full-rigged ship. Howard Chapelle in "A History of the American Sailing Navy states "No bark was employed in the sailing Navy in America" with one exception (not Constellation. I suspect the discrepancy is due to an error in the documentary but I thought I would bring it up here in case anyone had any evidence that Constellation was barque-rigged during her African service. OldVato ( talk) 00:00, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
A sloop of war refers to ships generally smaller than the USS Constellation, which is a ship nearly the size of a frigate, and a ship pierced for 22-24 guns is more accurately a corvette. The term should be replaced on the page. MKleid ( talk) 07:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 06:34, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I believe the mention of going to the Paris Exposition is exclusive of DANFS. Confusing the names Constitution and Constellation happens a lot; even to me. In the extensive research I did for Constitution, there is no mention of Constellation escorting Constitution to Paris. Constitution most certainly made the trip but DANFS is the only source that says Constellation went there. I believe DANFS is mistaken. Hope this makes sense. Brad ( talk) 20:43, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Why was this done with no discussion? I tried to revert but cannot. Can an administrator fix this? GenQuest "Talk to Me" 10:14, 4 April 2019 (UTC)